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huskergun:

Good paper...Click on "download full paper".... Worth the read and lots of info regarding the 10th.

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/07/27/the-original-meaning-of-an-omission/

rugermanx:
Yes armed I read far too many bills. They get dry in a hurry. Its too bad that the people we elect to take care of this stuff don't do their dang jobs. Unfortunately the federal government keeps going into high gear and thinking that the due process of making a law is a drag race, rather than a steady jog. I understand that this is falling far short of what most of us want. and I don't want to come across as bit@*y but honestly its one of those things that for the last 50 or so years the liberals have been taking baby steps at what they want.

I know that not everyone in this forum is going to agree with the principal of this example however it is a VERY clear point to point of how it works on the "slippery slope": that is my disclaimer.

Take the smoking ban. 50 years ago they said "we only want to stop you smoking in public buildings" and so it was passed.
After a few years it was "we only want to stop smoking in restaurants,workplaces, and stores and so it was passed.
Now they are stepping into bars and telling the private owners what they can and can't do in their establishment.

This to me indicates how they are going to go about taking our guns. Little by little. Alot of shot gunners out there are of the mentality that "eh, so you want the assualt weapons, ok take em that doesn't affect my trap league" Alot of the pistol guys I have met are the same way. (i myself until recently being of that exact same mindset) And that is where we lack in strength against the opponents in this political game. For a long time we have been sitting back while all along the pieces have been put into play on the other side to place us in checkmate. The killing of states rights being one of the top casualties in the fight.

I was awakened to the harsh reality of how this is going by doing some looking into the polls and research studies for the stimulus. The fact that it went thru 16 hours after the first printed copy rolled off the presses really shook me up. 16 hours to read that damn much is physically impossible no matter how fast one reads. at the very least you couldn't understand what you were reading even if you had the ability to read it. Then after they pass the bill they bring in a speed reader to show how fast it could have been read. And honestly I felt as if my representatives (not necessarily ours from NE but the HOR and the Senate) basically slapped the American people in the face. I DO NOT want to be a political activist. I DO NOT want to spend ANY of my time reading bills. I have way too many hobbies that I enjoy for that to interrupt them. Unfortunately I believe that if we as a citizenry do not stand up now and start yelling louder then those that want entitlement programs, and free health care (yes they think it is actually free.) and of course those anti 2nders then we are going to be in dire straights. If we can rock the boat now before they roll us all into the water the damage could be stopped.

Please don't take this as an attack, armed. I am simply trying to point out that in the words of Sherlock Holmes "the game is afoot." and currently we are behind. And this legislation if enabled gives a very large LOCAL voice to a national debate.

PS. I am hoping to be able to make the picnic to shake some of your hands. It would be an honor to meet you in person and sit down to have a meal and share ideas. Thank you huskergun I will go download that now hopefully its a little better then the bills I have been reading as of late. (Plus it might cheer me up.) And FarmerRick, I read that this morning. Truly made my day go a bit smoother.

DanClrk51:
Rugermanx has done an excellent job explaining why this is SO important. Yes, we are only making a statement. We are issuing a warning. If they do not heed this warning then we as a State need to reject the federal healthcare proposal, and the rest of the power grab crap coming out of Washington D.C. We need to sign into law a similar law that Montana passed declaring that our guns and ammo are exempt from federal control and anything else that applies under the 10th Amendment. We need to haul the federal government to court!
Or are we going to be like Germany in the 30's and let the National Socialists (Nazis) take more and more liberties until its too late.
And if the federal government still refuses to listen to the people and continues to steal our liberties away than by the
Declaration of Independence ?That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness?

armed and humorous:
Rugermanx:

No, I don't take your comments as an attack.  And, I understand the slippery slope concept.  I can't deny that there is some credibility to it.  Your point about the "checkmate" is perhaps the best analogy I've heard and one I hadn't given too much thought.  I generally thought along the lines that if we, the pro-gun crowd, have the voting power to stop the antis, we should be able to stop them at the point when we've taken all we can stand in the way of infringements to our rights.  It isn't necessary to take a zero-tolerance stand against gun control if all they want to do is some minor regulating with bearable costs and restrictions in order to make them happy.  Your analogy of the chess game makes that way of thinking a little less valid.  In a chess game, you start out even, but as you lose more and more pieces, it becomes less and less likely that you will be able to survive.

The one thing that still bothers me is the concept that the anti crowd actually does want nothing less than to take all our guns and will settle for nothing less.  I'm sure there are those in their camp just as firm in that belief as some of us are that we will not accept any infringements on our gun rights at all.  However, from my experience in talking to people and from what I've observed over the years, I doubt if they number all that many.  I think it much more likely that the majority of people who feel we need gun controls are simply hoping to have legislation in place that will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and children, and others who may not have the capacity to use them in a safe, non-threatening manner.  Some want better ways of tracking guns or ammunition so that it is more likely we can catch those who use them illegally.  Those are not, in and of themselves, bad things to want.  Some of them will make it a little more of a hassel for us, or a little more expensive, but I'm not opposed to that if it doesn't become prohibitive for the average Joe.  Beyond that is where I draw my line in the sand.

Many in this group of ours are opposed to any such compromises, either out of a strict belief in no infringements, or because they fear the slippery slope.  I can understand both reasons, and I don't blame anyone for taking that stand.  I simply wonder if it is the best approach, because it will force that majority of those who only want "reasonable" restrictions to make a choice between all or none, and I don't know which way they will go.

armed and humorous:
Yes, I changed my avatar.  For those of you who don't recognize it, this is Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress 2, a video game that my son showed to me.  You may get a kick out of the trailer for this character if you haven't already seen it, or even if you have.

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