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rugermanx:
I have to say this is the best discussion I have had on this topic in many moons. Since several of them have resulted in me being called a "stupid hick that has no idea of how the world works."

I guess what is bothering me is the fact that they are using every single option to bring about the banning of guns. My stance on the tracking of ammo is that it would be a way of taking our guns. Since the industry has come out with several reports saying that it would take something like six weeks to produce the ammo they do in one day now under the plans that have been introduced. That to me is a defacto ban.

The majority of people in California oppose gay marriage and yet they have had to vote on it 3 times and each time the courts say the people can't say what they did. This is what has led to my views on this being a chess match. It seems they have been mobilizing while we were sitting back. Back to the cali example the votes have been roughly 2/3 for the ban on gay marriage and yet the 1/3 keeps overturning the rest. This tells me that they (even as a minority) are a very agile/worthy opponent. Seems they get what they want. Which is making me believe that the squeaky wheel has been getting the grease. They get loud, they get obnoxious they get what they are after. And we sit back and write our senators/reps. We don't mobilize and cause waves. That's not us, that's not who we are. Never has been. We sit back and believe that its all good, people will leave me alone if I leave them alone.

The best way to put the actual beliefs of people on the guns thing is by taking a shape we learned in high school. A parabola or upside down U in this case. Most of the people are somewhere in the middle with a lot less along the two ends one end being absolutely no guns. the other being no restrictions. I wish I had a graphic for that, I may have to make one up later just to illustrate that a little more clearly. Hopefully we can come to our senses before we have to choose sides but to do that we have to stand up and make waves now before it gets to the point where we stand up and say all or nothing and need to fight for our rights. To do that a strong message must be sent that this is where america stands- RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. don't pull us too far right and don't pull us too far left. That is what this bill would do. Send that message fairly clearly. Then we move onto the 3rd box in the 4 boxes of freedom. (for those of you that have not heard of those they are- Soap box/Ballot Box/Jury Box/Ammo Box. to be used in that order. I don't remember the origin of that so I may have to reread the history of it again. hopefully we never have to go any farther than the jury box. But the past says that sometimes that is necessary.)

I know I am preaching to the choir but basically feel that at this point in time we need to get more active in our efforts to effect our beliefs. Like I said before, Its too bad the people that are elected to deal with this stuff don't do their dang jobs.


Edited to add: I love your avatar Armed. Truly great.

armed and humorous:
More nice points, Rugermanx.  That parabola you speak is generally called the bell curve, and it is useful in many ways when dealing with statistics.  Hadn't heard of the four-box thing before; that's a good one.  Don't expect we'll need to go to the fourth box; but, what will be, will be.

Glad you liked the avatar.  I just get goose bumps and almost teary-eyed (I know it sounds pathetically feminine) every time I watch that trailer.  If reincarnation is real, that's who I want come back as!

rugermanx:
Who touched my Sasha?!? That is a great trailer. However I kinda like the sniper myself. Watch for the bottles if you haven't watched it.

JimP:

--- Quote from: armed and humorous on July 27, 2009, 10:35:44 AM ---Rugermanx:

I don't know that I would disagree with anything you've said.  I haven't really followed the healthcare issue.  It's not because it isn't important, or that I don't think it will affect me.  It's just more than I want to deal with.  If you think your comment was long and boring, try reading some of this legislation (well, you probably did).  I guess to me, it's just not worth my time and effort for what little I would be able to affect the outcome anyway.


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....That is just it:  The Progressives have overwhelmed us, and the system with a deluge of this (stuff).  There is no way you or I, or even our PAID elected representatives can keep track of all of it, let alone DO anything about it. 

rugermanx:
Hence the mobilization and organization of a bigger force.  By getting involved (as the left has been for a long time) We will add power to our side. There are plenty of groups out there that do alot for the conservative side. We just don't utilize them to the same extent that the left does. For a list of a few: Heritage Foundation, 912 Project, Americans for prosperity 10th Amendment center. They are there. They are the ones that keep an eye on this stuff. They do a good job. Just as the NRA watches guns, they watch other portions of the government. But going back to the thing about we just want to be left alone to live our lives and everyone else can do the same. We just need to get behind some of this and start raising a bit of cain. Not getting violent or anything stupid like that. Just raising our voices and saying: Enough!

The biggest hurdle to overcome in my opinion is the sense that we are beat and there is nothing we can do about it. Trust me I understand that theory. I have felt that way for several years. I am nervous posting my opinions on this board for crying out loud. I don't want to make waves. I just want to go to work, live my life, enjoy my hobbies and in the end die (hopefully after a full and FUN life). I just feel that we must get involved or risk loosing our voice. And that has to be started locally and moved up from there. This bill is a start. But its not a final destination. Its the boarding of the train for a much longer journey unfortunately. But we all know you have to start to get somewhere. That's how this board came to be. That's why we are all here talking about all of this in the first place. Someone took the initiative to make this website and form the groups that merged into this one. That's a start. And look where it has grown from there. We must not back down. We have some momentum but need more if we wish to continue.

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