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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: Les on April 19, 2023, 11:30:26 AM
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Done deal, congrats Col.
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https://www.wowt.com/2023/04/19/nebraska-state-senators-pass-permitless-conceal-carry-bill/
shows roll call and how they voted
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Well done NFOA and all who worked towards this. Very proud day!
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Thank you NFOA for all of your hard work
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Channel 8 news reported that after the Gov. signs the bill, the law goes into effect 90 days after the legislature ends?
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Another good step. Too bad they couldn't get the requirement to notify taken out. It kinda voids one right to exercise this right.
On another note, state patrol is failing big time on getting my renewal out in a timely manner. Forty days and no permit.
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n another note, state patrol is failing big time on getting my renewal out in a timely manner. Forty days and no permit.
Patrol is being allowed to ignore the State law as written. How about contacting the State Attorney General office and informing that dept?
Somehow, somewhere, there is someone the Patrol will consider above them, and will inform the Patrol their legal obligation, and that their endless excuses of why they cant comply, should stop. "our printer was broken or out of ink", "we have no staff whatsoever to dedicate to these permit requests or renewals", "well will mail them out as time allows" <WRONG!
I support law enforcement, but because Patrol office staff or others higher up, didnt want these permits to ever be issued in the first place, is no reason to ignore the requirements in the law as written.
Question, how is the requirement that permit holders be notified of permit expiration 90? days before the date, working? Anyone get even that from the Patrol?
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I got notified in February of my permit expiration in June. I applied for renewal when appropriate and am waiting for my permit.
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I sent my renewal 3rd week of January and received the permit on March 8. Pushing the 45 days and my expiration date. The acknowledgement letter was dated February 28.
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https://www.nebraska.gov/apps-nsp-chp/
Online renewals with small fee
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Because I can't find it on the forums, does this do away with the pistol purchase permit issued by the county sheriff?
I see it got rid of the Omaha registry, was just curious if it got rid of some of the other things as well.
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Because I can't find it on the forums, does this do away with the pistol purchase permit issued by the county sheriff?
I see it got rid of the Omaha registry, was just curious if it got rid of some of the other things as well.
Not an attorney, but I don't think so. The purchase permit is a State-level requirement (Nebraska Revised Statute 69-2403), which directs the sheriff to carry it out under the State's authority. A quick search of the text for "purchase" doesn't turn up anything related to the purchase permit.
https://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2403
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The Purchase Permit will still be required as that is how the background check is accomplished. Also, you have the option of keeping and renewing your current permit which also certifies a background check and can be used instead of the purchase permit. You will also have reciprocity in some states while traveling.
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Permitless carry will introduce one big problem for folks not familiar with the sections of LB77 or have not had the training necessary to qualify for a CHP: they will not know where and when it is legal to carry a concealed weapon. For example, will they find out if their favorite place for drinking adult beverages gets 50% or more of its income from the sale of alcohol? I doubt it. Will they carry concealed into a local grocery store and then absentmindedly walk into a bank branch inside that grocery store without first putting their weapon inside a locked container in the trunk of their car? Will they even know they have to do that? Will they know the fine points of carrying, or not, a concealed weapon in a parking lot? Will they know what to do when approached by a NHP officer at a road stop?
I except to see a flurry of arrests of ill or uninformed citizens carrying concealed weapons in places the law doesn't allow. Anti-2A folks will, of course, magnify the situation and exaggerate its danger.
In a truly Constitutional carry environment there would be no restrictions on where or when one can carry, or any restriction on the choice of weapon and its accessories. All of these restrictions are a form of infringement with the same purpose/intent of eventually annulling the 2A.
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I agree with GreyGeek's assessment. Another problem will be with those that purchase a firearm and have no prior knowledge of how to safely handle one let alone know how to properly hold/shoot. The lack of training aspect will show up at some point with some moron accidentally shooting themselves or some innocent bystander(s). This was the best thing about having a CCW permit in that people not only had to take a required written test but pass the range test under qualified supervision. Yes, some here will not agree and say the testing/fees were elite/restrictive/anti-constitutional...blah, blah, blah. But, I firmly believe many accidents/accidental incidents WERE prevented because of the required education/training to get a CCW permit. True story....about 15 yrs ago or so, I personally witnessed two newbs in the same CCW class up in Tekameh where this was the first time they even shot a handgun. I took the farthest lane possible away from these two and lets just say the instructor had his hands full and devoted most of his time with these morons. In the end, I believe they passed...but, they had to have learned something in the process. So, now let's see how this all plays out with unknown numbers of people not having any training/knowledge. All I can say is...stay safe my friends and watch out for who's carrying next to you.
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All good points guys.
This is not a rebuttal, however I wonder how things are going in N. Dakota, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri with their Constitutional Carry. I would think we dont hear much, if at all, about their local LE jurisdictions making arrests for these problems. Maybe it comes down to someone, legal or not, slipping a handgun in their pants pocket or coat pocket, and not being discovered in a prohibited place. If they pull it those places, to use it, it would be another matter. I see no attempt for any CC state to try get CC off the books, not at this point anyway.
I do remember a permit holder shooting someone in the elbow inside a gas station in Lincoln, as the thief was running away towards the door with a bottle of booze they didnt pay for. I thought I heard the permit holder wasnt charged. Me thinks someone wasnt grasping the "right to defend yourself" part of the permit class.
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How is this going to affect current reciprocity requirements with other states ?
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How is this going to affect current reciprocity requirements with other states ?
Excellent question....which is why I'm going to keep renewing my Nebraska & Minnesota CHP's until such time that lucidness returns to the state lawmakers...which might be a while.
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True story....about 15 yrs ago or so, I personally witnessed two newbs in the same CCW class up in Tekameh where this was the first time they even shot a handgun. I took the farthest lane possible away from these two and lets just say the instructor had his hands full and devoted most of his time with these morons. In the end, I believe they passed...
In my class there was a person who attempted to load the rounds in the magazine backwards and had to ask the instructor for assistance with the "broken gun." They passed . . .
Not to mention the number of people I've introduced to firearms (*after* going over the rules very, very clearly) who immediately put their fingers on the trigger with no muzzle discipline, just due to lack of familiarity.
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It was my understanding the ccw class was in no way a substitute for training. If people failed the shooting portion of the class why were they issued certificates?
My responsibility seems to be when anyone talks about getting their first gun is to stress getting some training. Almost all the shooting ranges offer NRA Basic Pistol classes or know where to go. I used to have some cards I got at Brownells that had the 4 Rules of Gun Safety on them. I ran out giving them to new gun owners.
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Does this mean ALL legal handgun owners may carry in Nebraska? No need for reciprocity? Even people from -gasp- NY and Hawaii?
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Nfoa will be partnering with local trainers to give free training to those who want it.
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Does this mean ALL legal handgun owners may carry in Nebraska? No need for reciprocity? Even people from -gasp- NY and Hawaii?
yes if they are 21
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Nfoa will be partnering with local trainers to give free training to those who want it.
I guess that'll put an end to paid NRA Basic Pistol classes in Nebraska. Wow!
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I guess that'll put an end to paid NRA Basic Pistol classes in Nebraska. Wow!
are you here to support the NFOA mission or to prop up the NRA?
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The only reason I'm a member of the NRA is because I'm a member of the ENGC. (I am a lifetime member of the SAF and an annual member of GOA also)
I only stated NRA because that's the only nationally recognized pistol class I'm aware of. I believe there are more than a few certified instructors on this site who have classes that supplement their income. I am not one of them. However, the NFOA replacing their classes with free ones will certainly take money from their pockets. I didn't think they would agree to voluntarily give that up.
Perhaps you have already convinced enough of them to donate their time and money for the greater good (and the NFOA) I just find that somewhat incredulous. Maybe a one time thing, but that would be all.
I had thought of a workable idea though.
Business cards printed up with the NFOA logo on the front and the 4 rules of safe gun handling on the back. Perhaps with the advisement "Know the Law" under the NFOA logo. These could be given out to members (at the Gretna get together with plenty of extras to Shooter for gun shows)
If every member who wanted some got 10 or 15 it would both promote gun safety and the NFOA.
I don't know how much a box of raised letter, glossy cards would cost, but I'd put in the first $100 to get 500 made up.
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What. Nobody likes the card idea? I looked into plastic ones also. They would be very durable.
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What. Nobody likes the card idea? I looked into plastic ones also. They would be very durable.
I approve of the card idea...however, most people will take one, glance at it and pitch it like so many other "business" cards one receives in life's travels.
If they were told emphatically to stuff it/keep it in their wallet/purse....maybe they will re-read what's on there sometime down the road when they're searching for that lost lottery ticket. People are so complacent, its a wonder the human race has survived this long.
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We were looking at "recruiting" cards since a lot of folks aren't too interested in taking our brochures all the time. We could have how to join on one side and the safety rules and how to find the online modules for the free training. Online training will never replace hands-on training. However, we wanted to make sure folks could quickly and easily access the information they need to be aware of what they can't and can do. All modules will end with statements to encourage them to take advantage of other training opportunities across Nebraska.
Any instructors who want to help build a mini module or two will have the opportunity to include their training company information as a way to give back for their support.
The only reason I'm a member of the NRA is because I'm a member of the ENGC. (I am a lifetime member of the SAF and an annual member of GOA also)
I only stated NRA because that's the only nationally recognized pistol class I'm aware of. I believe there are more than a few certified instructors on this site who have classes that supplement their income. I am not one of them. However, the NFOA replacing their classes with free ones will certainly take money from their pockets. I didn't think they would agree to voluntarily give that up.
Perhaps you have already convinced enough of them to donate their time and money for the greater good (and the NFOA) I just find that somewhat incredulous. Maybe a one time thing, but that would be all.
I had thought of a workable idea though.
Business cards printed up with the NFOA logo on the front and the 4 rules of safe gun handling on the back. Perhaps with the advisement "Know the Law" under the NFOA logo. These could be given out to members (at the Gretna get together with plenty of extras to Shooter for gun shows)
If every member who wanted some got 10 or 15 it would both promote gun safety and the NFOA.
I don't know how much a box of raised letter, glossy cards would cost, but I'd put in the first $100 to get 500 made up.
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Trish, how about showing the proposed layout and if people give it the thumbs up I'll send the $100.
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OK it is law. How many current concealed holders are going to renew their permits? Yes here.
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Me too
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Likewise.
sfg
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In order to keep my non-resident Pennsylvania permit I need the Ne CCW. I think you need it for Iowa, Kansas, etc. also.
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Yup, renew here too + the Florida permit.
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Renewals for both my wife and I in Nebraska and Minnesota...gave up on doing Utah.