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Gear & Equipment => Knives and cutting tools => Topic started by: Mntnman on February 25, 2015, 05:57:41 PM
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I recently started carrying a knife every day to see if it was for me. I bought a cheap Snap On knife at Menards and it has proved its usefulness. However, it is not exactly what I want and is not very high quality. I want something with a pocket clip and assisted opening as I will be clipping it to my off hand pocket. The blade needs to be 3 to 3.5 inches. It does not need to be top notch and I feel my budget tops at around $50 unless a great deal presents itself. I like that idea of at least having something when I can't carry a firearm which is most of the time. I also find myself needing a knife as a tool several times a day.
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here is my next knife,
http://astore.amazon.com/ncisknife-20/detail/B0014E2GNK (http://astore.amazon.com/ncisknife-20/detail/B0014E2GNK)
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That is nice! I think my wife would use it on me if I spent that much, though. Another consideration is that it will have a fair chance of being lost at some point.
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Once Rick buys my CZ, I'll pick this up for my EDC.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Marfione-Custom-Knives-Project-X--13562 (http://www.bladehq.com/item--Marfione-Custom-Knives-Project-X--13562)
Seriously, this is what I carry, even though I wish it did have a clip. Got mine in the Bargin Cave at Cabela's for a lot less. Under $100 OTD.
http://www.bladehq.com/item--Benchmade-Heguni-Folding-Knife-482--11151 (http://www.bladehq.com/item--Benchmade-Heguni-Folding-Knife-482--11151)
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That is nice! I think my wife would use it on me if I spent that much, though. Another consideration is that it will have a fair chance of being lost at some point.
that's why I don't have a wife!
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I alternate between Spyderco, Ontario Rat and Benchmade for the most part.
If you want to be able to carry clipped in your left pocket, look for knives that have a clip that can be moved from one side to the other.
I'm confident that you can find either a Spyderco or Ontario Rat with ambidextrous clip and decent quality action and blade material in your budget.
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Benchmade Griptilian...the axis lock negates the need for assisted opening.
3.45" blade, reversible clip
Mine is a D2 blade and it is a tough mofo, but this is probably over budget
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I carry one similar to this one... different generation but similar. I've had mine for three years and wear it every day. I've abused the heck out of it, but it still sharpens up nicely.
http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWMP5L-Linerlock-Generation/dp/B0037H29XE/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1424912513&sr=8-31&keywords=smith+and+wesson+knife (http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWMP5L-Linerlock-Generation/dp/B0037H29XE/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1424912513&sr=8-31&keywords=smith+and+wesson+knife)
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I'm with HuskerXDM on the S&W. My EDC knife is a S&W Special Tactical CKTACS. Has a Tanto style blade and also has a serated portion. It is NOT assisted opening but it does have a the thumb assist / flip open design. Not even sure if you can get it anymore but they make others similar.
S&W makes some nice inexpensive knives that really hold up. I beat mine up daily and it holds up well. Rubberized grip. Shows no signs of wear and the handle has as much integrity as the day it came out of the box. Doesn't break the bank if you leave it somewhere or lose it.
Before you go spend half a fortune on a knife, check them out.
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I have been looking at S&W knives. I already like their guns. That is probably the direction I will head.
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I carry cheap folders that take an edge very easily...............course they lose that edge almost as quickly :P :P :laugh:
I carry cheap because I KNOW at some point it will get misplaced, or broken, or "borrowed" and not returned............its a tool no more no less
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Some Nebraska Statutes Pertaining to Knives:
28-1201. Terms, defined.
For purposes of sections 28-1201 to 28-1212.04, unless the context otherwise requires:
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(5) Knife means any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds;
28-1202. Carrying concealed weapon; penalty; affirmative defense.
(1)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, any person who carries a weapon or weapons concealed on or about his or her person, such as a handgun, a knife, brass or iron knuckles, or any other deadly weapon, commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon.
Annotations
The Legislature intended the words "with a blade over three and one-half inches" to apply to daggers, dirks, knives, and stilettos, such that any of these items having blades over 3 1/2 inches are "knives" under subsection (4) of this section. Daggers, dirks, knives, or stilettos with blades over 3 1/2 inches are knives per se.
When a case involves an instrument not specifically named in subsection (4) of this section, the State bears the burden of proving that the instrument is a dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds, and thus is a "knife" for purposes of section 28-1205(1). State v. Bottolfson, 259 Neb. 470, 610 N.W.2d 378 (2000).
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fyi,
sfg
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Thanks for posting that, I have been researching it, mostly on here. Another note: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/16/second-amendment-protects-dirk-knives-and-police-batons/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/16/second-amendment-protects-dirk-knives-and-police-batons/)
The court’s holding that the right to bear arms includes non-firearms, such as knives and batons, is consistent with the bulk of modern precedent on the subject; for other cases striking down bans on such weapons, see State v. Griffin, 47 A.3d 487 (Del. 2012) (knives); People v. Yanna, 824 N.W.2d 241 (stun guns and Tasers); 1986 Fla. Op. Att’y Gen. 2 (stun guns and Tasers); State v. Delgado, 692 P.2d 610 (Or. 1984) (switchblades); State v. Blocker, 630 P.2d 824 (Or. 1981) (billy clubs); State v. Kessler, 614 P.2d 94 (Or. 1980) (billy clubs); Barnett v. State, 695 P.2d 991 (Or. Ct. App. 1985) (blackjacks). But see City of Seattle v. Evans (Wash. 2014) (concluding that kitchen knives aren’t constitutionally protected, but not deciding about knives more broadly); State v. Swanton, 629 P.2d 98, 98 (Ariz. Ct. App. 1981) (holding that nunchakus are not arms, because “arms” is limited to “such arms as are recognized in civilized warfare and not those used by a ruffian, brawler or assassin”).
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Some Nebraska Statutes Pertaining to Knives:
28-1201. Terms, defined.
For purposes of sections 28-1201 to 28-1212.04, unless the context otherwise requires:
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(5) Knife means any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds;
28-1202. Carrying concealed weapon; penalty; affirmative defense.
(1)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, any person who carries a weapon or weapons concealed on or about his or her person, such as a handgun, a knife, brass or iron knuckles, or any other deadly weapon, commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon.
Annotations
The Legislature intended the words "with a blade over three and one-half inches" to apply to daggers, dirks, knives, and stilettos, such that any of these items having blades over 3 1/2 inches are "knives" under subsection (4) of this section. Daggers, dirks, knives, or stilettos with blades over 3 1/2 inches are knives per se.
When a case involves an instrument not specifically named in subsection (4) of this section, the State bears the burden of proving that the instrument is a dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds, and thus is a "knife" for purposes of section 28-1205(1). State v. Bottolfson, 259 Neb. 470, 610 N.W.2d 378 (2000).
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fyi,
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SemperFiGuy et al,
Am I wrong in my interpretation that any knife (over 3 1/2" blade) are not concealed (and therefore not a chargeable offense) if they are clipped to the pocket so that they are partially exposed? Is this not the benefit of having it clipped in your pocket?
Fly
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Fly,
IANAL, however from a purely semantics interpretation, the "belt clip" on a knife is meant to be attached to te belt, therefore not concealed. However, that is my interpretation, and the pocket v. belt aspect is arguable. Also, clipped inside a pocket v. degree of concealment could also be arguable.
In other words, who the hell knows:)
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Am I wrong in my interpretation that any knife (over 3 1/2" blade) are not concealed (and therefore not a chargeable offense) if they are clipped to the pocket so that they are partially exposed? Is this not the benefit of having it clipped in your pocket?
I just plain don't know. Because...............
Now we may be moving into that muddy area known as case law. Which is the situation where the written law/statute is not sufficiently clear, is vague, and/or silent on a particular fine point.
Then it has to come up in an actual trial and be ruled upon by the trial judge. Thereby setting a precedent which can be used in future similar situations.
Like....Here's one for us to ponder:
Is the actual blade length of the knife measured (a) straight out from the hilt or else (b) along the curve of the blade? (Not my question; someone else raised it elsewhere. I wasn't bright enough to think about it.)
As can be seen up above, the written Nebraska statute isn't clear. So if some over-eager prosecutor uses the curve measurement on a cutting device with blade that's 3.5 inches straight out in order to claim that it's over 3.5 inches in length and therefore a knife, the defense attorney will need to object and the judge will probably rule. Thereby setting a precedent.
We need Citizen Clark to show us how to search for case laws.
sfg
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I'm too lazy to search for the answer, but if the definition of "Concealed" for firearms can be applied to a knife, then it is not concealed if ANY part of it can be seen. In that sense, my pocket knife clipped inside a pocket is quite visible, and thus, not concealed.
ETA: To expand upon my logic, if it is not technically "concealed", then you can carry any blade length. The blade length itself is not against the law, just the act of concealing a bladed over 3 1/2".
Fly
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I carry cheap folders that take an edge very easily...............course they lose that edge almost as quickly [emoji14] [emoji14] [emoji23]
I carry cheap because I KNOW at some point it will get misplaced, or broken, or "borrowed" and not returned............its a tool no more no less
Same boat. I have a pile of free knives from bassproshop customer nights. They look nice for awhile not a great blade but always serves it's purpose.
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i liked my crkt heiho a ton. right in that price range, deep concealment, assisted opening, and held an edge decently. kind of sad since losing it. now i carry a benchmade mini griptillian.
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I'm partial to Kershaw. You get a lot of knife for the money.
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I'm partial to Kershaw. You get a lot of knife for the money.
I have a Kershaw, though not one made in the US. This is the one...
http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-1670RDBLKST-Partially-Serrated-SpeedSafe/dp/B00AU6NQIW/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_6 (http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-1670RDBLKST-Partially-Serrated-SpeedSafe/dp/B00AU6NQIW/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_6)
I likes it a lot.
Fly
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If you are looking for a Kershaw EDC, check out a blemished knife. They are way cheaper, carry "XXXX" on the blade, but the finish is very high (especially for EDC).
http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/ (http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/)
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If you are looking for a Kershaw EDC, check out a blemished knife. They are way cheaper, carry "XXXX" on the blade, but the finish is very high (especially for EDC).
http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/ (http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/)
Gee, thanks a lot, now I have a new place to spend money....
I really, really, like my Leek. It's made in the USA and holds an edge well. It's kind of a smaller blade and not super heavy duty, but works well for most of what I use it for. I also have a Cryo that's not American made. It doesn't hold an edge quite as well as the Leek, but it's a much bigger knife overall.
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If you are looking for a Kershaw EDC, check out a blemished knife. They are way cheaper, carry "XXXX" on the blade, but the finish is very high (especially for EDC).
http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/ (http://kershawguy.com/products-page/kershaw/blur-serrated-1670blkst-blem/)
Nice! I have a Kershaw pocket knife in the drawer from 20 years ago with a broken blade. I was thinking I need to get it fixed. It is actually the second of that knife with a broken blade as it broke soon after buying the first one and they replaced it. Then, shortly after that I hit it on some concrete and broke it again.
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I'm partial to Kershaw. You get a lot of knife for the money.
I have to say I really appreciate this recommendation. I had always overlooked their stuff for some reason and since this posting I took a good look at them and got a couple. They really do use decent quality steel for their price point, and the designs are really attractive and functional. I got my son a red "scallion" and myself an orange "leek" for every-day stuff and working around the house and garden. Current every-day is a Benchmade, and too many times I’ve had to go out at night and search around in the lawn or garden for where I left it, which is not good at ~five times the cost of the Kershaw. The Benchmade’s D2 steel is a beast to sharpen as well, and it seems to tarnish easy.
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for a 'tool' I carry a http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps) Its less than $10 at menards, ($5 on sale) and the blades are replaceable. clips to my pocket, opens with one hand. surprizingly comfortable, even though it doesn't look like it would be.
I bought several when they went on sale, so if it gets lost or borrowed its no big deal.
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for a 'tool' I carry a http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps) Its less than $10 at menards, ($5 on sale) and the blades are replaceable. clips to my pocket, opens with one hand. surprizingly comfortable, even though it doesn't look like it would be.
I bought several when they went on sale, so if it gets lost or borrowed its no big deal.
Looks like a very fancy box cutter. But then it is a blade so I can't argue with that. :)
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for a 'tool' I carry a http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps) Its less than $10 at menards, ($5 on sale) and the blades are replaceable. clips to my pocket, opens with one hand. surprizingly comfortable, even though it doesn't look like it would be.
I bought several when they went on sale, so if it gets lost or borrowed its no big deal.
I've got one of those for work. The hinge does loosen up over time. I have to tighten it up a couple times a year.
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I have carried Sheffield and Irwin razor knifes for many years for work, over the years I've come to the conclusion after some recommendations that Irwin replacement blades are second to none.
http://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Industrial-Tools-2084300-Bi-Metal/dp/B0001Q2VJ6 (http://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Industrial-Tools-2084300-Bi-Metal/dp/B0001Q2VJ6)
When not at work I carry a 3" Kershaw folder, got to watch the blade length, don't want to get in trouble.(I can carry a concealed handgun but can't be trusted to carry a blade over 3.5")
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When I EDC the Kershaw, it was the Whiskey Gap, which they don't make anymore. Shame, that was a great knife.
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for a 'tool' I carry a http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gerber%20eab&sprefix=gerber+e%2Caps) Its less than $10 at menards...
Another great recommendation! Opening and breaking down boxes is the bane of my pocketknife edges. And I just happened to be at Menards... and yes they have the new "lite" version for <$10, so... ;) This thread has cost me some money. The Gerber's gizmo's quality is really great; this must be the Cadillac of box cutters.
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These may be a bit above budget but you wouldn't be unhappy with either. I have both a Benchmade Griptillian and a ZT350. The ZT is a bit bulky and the Benchmade is a great 1 handed knife. Benchmade Axis lock is more user friendly than the ZT liner lock which can be hard on fingernails.
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I carry one similar to this one... different generation but similar. I've had mine for three years and wear it every day. I've abused the heck out of it, but it still sharpens up nicely.
http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWMP5L-Linerlock-Generation/dp/B0037H29XE/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1424912513&sr=8-31&keywords=smith+and+wesson+knife (http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Wesson-SWMP5L-Linerlock-Generation/dp/B0037H29XE/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1424912513&sr=8-31&keywords=smith+and+wesson+knife)
I have this same knife and although I really like it there are a few things I noticed.
- the screws on the clip will work loose but if you tighten them back down it seems to be fine for a long time. They never worked their way out just loose.
- sometimes the blade will start to open slightly so when you unlock the blade it won't open with the assist button. just lock the blade again and push the blade fully back into the body and then unlock to get it to assist open.
Otherwise this thing is durable. Holds a edge very well and fits well in my hand. The sound it makes when opening tends to make some people jump but these are the same people who get scared just knowing there is a pocket knife in the building anyway. :)
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Anything from William Henry. Just do not scratch it.
http://www.williamhenry.com/knives.html (http://www.williamhenry.com/knives.html)
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I received a Sig Tac as a gift 10 years ago. As a mechanic, I abuse this thing every day. Still looks like new and holds an edge great. G10 scales allow no metal liner making it very light weight and has stayed tight with no screw's loosening or needing adjustment. Around $100 last time I checked.