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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: NE Bull on April 23, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
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Anyone hear anything about Big Shots applying for a liquor license?
Even with the plans I heard, I'm not sure I feel good about this.
True/rumor?
Thoughts?
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If they also start selling bacon they'll have everything I need in life.
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LoL!!! In the history of bad ideas...
I did go back thru Jan 1 of all liquer license applications and could not find anything with their name or addy on it... Would be curious where you heard that? Maybe they are planning an event?
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LoL!!! In the history of bad ideas...
I did go back thru Jan 1 of all liquer license applications and could not find anything with their name or addy on it... Would be curious where you heard that? Maybe they are planning an event?
Ok, I'm at home on the lappytop, now.
Heard from a coworker, IIRC he saw it on the news or paper.
Sounds like the idea is to have a card to access range and lounge area. Once you have entered the lounge, your card will no longer allow access to the range. My concern would be the firearms in your possession in your vehicle on your way home, even if within the legal limit to drive, what about anyone with a CHP? Even if you do not have a firearm on your person, but unloaded in the vehicle?
Now don't get me wrong, THAT would be the responsibility (read choice) of the individual, not the owner of the range. I am just interested to see IF this is actually something, and if so, would love to be at that Lincoln City Council Meeting!
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Some must feel a bar & shooting range are acceptable.
http://www.friscogunclub.com/vip-club.php (http://www.friscogunclub.com/vip-club.php)
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FWIW......
My trap range sells beer by the can. Posts signs to the effect:
Shoot First; Drink Later.
IIRC, other area trap ranges do likewise.
So far, seems to be a non-issue. Not my game, but seems to work for others. I've heard rumors that a recently renovated trap range in Omaha is applying for a liquor (beer) license, but so far such talk is unverified.
Now....back to main topic of this thread:
sfg
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I think 88 Tactical's new facility is going to have a liquor license.
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And I absolutely agree, it can work with responsible shooters. I'm more interested in the press that such a request would bring in the city of Lincoln. I mean the firestorm that surrounded the downtown movie theater asking for a LL!!
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I bet they are doing it, so the history of Negligent Discharges in their gun classes, don't sting so bad in the future?
If any gun shop thinks they can mix guns and alcohol, they should have both business licenses revoked!
The place was a bar before. If they wanted a bar, why dump a million dollars into a place, changing it to a gun range, only to want the bar back again?
I hope this is a bad rumor, and not a foolish idea, that is not only dangerous, but gives a bad impression of the gun community.
This idea is dumber than the NRA having a wine club.
I won't mention names, but a certain CHP instructor, teaches his classes in a bar, with liquor bottles all over the place, and a well stocked beer fridge. Has that come back to haunt him? Not yet.
There is prudent, and there is foolish.
Mixing alcohol, and guns, is never a good idea, unless you are a regulatory agency. BATFE seems to juggle it OK.
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I think 88 Tactical's new facility is going to have a liquor license.
Yes it will. There are many shooting ranges throughout the U.S. that have cocktail lounges settled within. Building design, controlled access points, use of technology and software, and extreme protocol prevents members from consuming any alcohol within the facility prior to entering any shooting lane. Firearm safety and safe use of the facility is first and foremost.
- Shawn
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FWIW......
My trap range sells beer by the can. Posts signs to the effect:
Shoot First; Drink Later.
IIRC, other area trap ranges do likewise.
So far, seems to be a non-issue. Not my game, but seems to work for others. I've heard rumors that a recently renovated trap range in Omaha is applying for a liquor (beer) license, but so far such talk is unverified.
Now....back to main topic of this thread:
sfg
The Lincoln Izaak Walton League does the same thing.
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It's funny how easy it is to get some to think like liberals. :P I drink after shooting most of the time, of course it is on private property and I am not going to be leaving, but still. I have a very low tolerance for nanny-staters. I am not thumbing my nose at safety, just willing to give adults the chance to make adult decisions. I hate how so many people think they are experts on human behavior and that liberty should be curtailed to protect people from themselves. We live in a world where people feel compelled to tell others how to live and I don't like that.
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I am not thumbing my nose at safety, just willing to give adults the chance to make adult decisions. I hate how so many people think they are experts on human behavior and that liberty should be curtailed to protect people from themselves. We live in a world where people feel compelled to tell others how to live and I don't like that.
If you ever consider running for a public office, you have my vote.
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It's funny how easy it is to get some to think like liberals. :P I drink after shooting most of the time, of course it is on private property and I am not going to be leaving, but still. I have a very low tolerance for nanny-staters. I am not thumbing my nose at safety, just willing to give adults the chance to make adult decisions. I hate how so many people think they are experts on human behavior and that liberty should be curtailed to protect people from themselves. We live in a world where people feel compelled to tell others how to live and I don't like that.
I couldn't agree more! What is next? A breathalyzer on your gun case to access your new 'smart gun'
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Mixing alcohol, and guns, is never a good idea, unless you are a regulatory agency. BATFE seems to juggle it OK.
Ha. You reminded me of one of the best Onion articles ever. http://www.theonion.com/articles/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-reaches-trade-a,537/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-reaches-trade-a,537/)
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Most people tend to row whatever boat they are in. I have no fondness for feeling drunk, at any level. Don't care for the taste, don't care for the buzz. Sober is my preference.
Now, if that has colored my attitude about mixing guns and drinking in public places, I guess I am the odd ball.
Seems to me I recall something about having a concealed Carry permit, and the holder of that permit being in violation of the law at .0001 level of alcohol in their system, if they CC. I guess the State thinks like I do, on that subject, in the case of CC.
There are standards, there are exceptions, and there are :o ideas. The challenge in life, is figuring out what fits what circumstance.
OK, what goes well with a bar atmosphere?
Pizza, Keno, ESPN, maybe a floor show. I just don't see any wisdom of mixing gun powder, under the same business roof as spirits.
Taking it one step further, I bet lots of people would shun any gun range, with a alcohol license. I know I would not set foot in one.
In college, I was a theology major, majoring in destructive cults. One thing we learned, is it can be OK, to go into a bar, looking for a lost sheep. However, it is not OK, to drink in the bar, even drink water. Why water? Because the act of drinking in a bar, even water, leaves an impression in the minds of others. The wrong impression. As a range owner, what impression do you want to make on people seeing your business?
I own a range, indoor range, private, at my home. I do CC classes there. Do I offer my students a cold beer after they pass their CC class? H*ll no!
I think a hunting bar would be great. Mounts on the wall, bass fishing videos on the TV's, canoes hanging from the ceiling. Guns bolted to the wall. (Cut in half, long ways, so you can display the same gun twice, and it cannot be stolen, and fired) but drinking at a gun range?
Really?
1999, State Patrol. Classes. Several officers, adjourn, and go to lunch. No drinking, only coffee, pop, and fast food. After lunch, one trooper, just one, messes up, and a live round remained in his pistol, when the class resumed after lunch. Just one simple error, and Nebraska lost a trooper, a wife lost her partner, and children, lost their dad.
Range in question, sweeps customers now, showing guns, and we want them, to add a liquor license?
Sure, why not.
We have a Kenyon in the White House. We have Hillary selling arms through diplomats, and leaving them to be killed, to destroy the evidence.
We have our Military Industrial Complex killing Presidents, staging false flags, starting unjust wars, and on and on and on. In the big picture, go ahead. All standards seems to be out the window.
Maybe after this post, maybe I should join the NRA wine club? lol
https://www.nrawineclub.com/em0113a/?src=nraem0113a (https://www.nrawineclub.com/em0113a/?src=nraem0113a)
Does this send the wrong message?
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Ha. You reminded me of one of the best Onion articles ever. http://www.theonion.com/articles/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-reaches-trade-a,537/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-reaches-trade-a,537/)
Is that a real story? Or a joke? That article turned me into a mouth breather.
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Time for a story.
Years ago, in Beatrice, I was locking up my shop on Court street, in the alley, late at night.
Across the alley, a very loud drunk, was ran out of a bar for fighting. In his hands were car keys, and he was trying to figure out how to open his locked car door.
I walked up to this guy, and told him I would help unlock his door. The guy looked grateful, and handed me his keys. I tossed them on the roof of the bar, and waited to be pummeled. This guy started to go back into fight mode, but my 6'7" frame, might have sobered him up just a tad.
A few days go by, and I get a letter from the Beatrice Chief Of Police. It was an accommodation letter from the department, for not allowing this guy to get into his car.
Twenty other people were willing to let this guy drive off, including the bar owner.
In this case, we have range owners that want to include liquor licenses, to attract customers, while I give gun safety classes away, do two CC classes every week, to keep class size small, and charge lower fees than anyone.
Should I give up trying so hard, or maybe offer to give a bag of K2 to every CC graduate?
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Alcohol is available everywhere. Quick shops, grocery stores and drug stores. Places CCW holders and folks on the way to the range to shoot may stop at on any given day. They arrive at the range and there is a bar in the same facility. Suddenly the presence of alcohol robs them of all caution and judgment. They drink and shoot, carry concealed with disastrous results. Really? Responsible gun owners and shooters of all kinds are trusted everyday to be sober and safe when involved with firearms. If just the availability of intoxicants is the standard for revoking the right to keep and bear arms then we should all be disarmed. We have to be careful about how we view the regulation of our rights based on what someone might do or how the most careless or ignorant among us might act.
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THIS! ^^^
Fly
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Add ENGC to the list of allowing alcohol on the premise.
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I think Gary is against it.
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Alcohol is available everywhere. Quick shops, grocery stores and drug stores. Places CCW holders and folks on the way to the range to shoot may stop at on any given day. They arrive at the range and there is a bar in the same facility. Suddenly the presence of alcohol robs them of all caution and judgment. They drink and shoot, carry concealed with disastrous results. Really? Responsible gun owners and shooters of all kinds are trusted everyday to be sober and safe when involved with firearms. If just the availability of intoxicants is the standard for revoking the right to keep and bear arms then we should all be disarmed. We have to be careful about how we view the regulation of our rights based on what someone might do or how the most careless or ignorant among us might act.
That's a good post. There's a curious cultural issue here too. Having moved to Nebraska it's interesting being in one of those parts of the world where many people still have the opinion that a person is either a teetotaler or a drunkard and there's no in-between. Or that if a person is drinking, he is drunk... Again no middle ground. Or spending $80 on drink means a pickup bed full of Busch Lite Draft to be consumed on Monday morning before work rather than one bottle of Aberlour A'bunadh that you'll nurse evenings by the fireside through the winter months.
In one overseas job one of my junior employees had a full bar in his cubicle on the work floor and it was pretty much normal. In Germany our movie theater had a nice bar in the lobby, but admittedly the attitude was different--you could get a $20 cocktail but not a plastic cup of bland corn-based beer which is probably what the Lincoln theater will serve once that battle is over. But I don't recall drunk driving, etc being as big of an issue there, because they were Germans and Germans are generally fanatical about following rules.
I'd sort of like the US to go in the direction of thinking about alcohol more maturely and not operating on the assumption that everyone is an out-of-control idiot incapable of discretion and self control.
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The Amateur Trapshooting Association directly addresses this issue in its rules in this manner:
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Rule XII.B.2.a:
It is the responsibility and the required duty of Shoot Management to immediately remove and disqualify any contestant at any time during an ATA sanctioned tournament:
a. who is under the obvious influence of alcohol or drugs before starting or during any event, sub-event, shoot-off or practice, or who consumes any alcoholic beverage or drugs during participation in any event, sub event or between events or sub events held on the same day including shoot-offs and practice.
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"Drugs" are further defined as either illegal drugs or legal drugs which impair physical and/or mental function.
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I bet lots of people would shun any gun range, with a alcohol license. I know I would not set foot in one.
I am now in full support of gun ranges serving alcohol!
Until the government can regulate our decisions more effectively, perhaps by use of brain implants and metropolitan-centralized nervous systems, the decision to use alcohol before participating in a dangerous task is always within possibility. Most bars are not within walking distance of its patrons' homes.
More seriously, I really do think that providing a social space for gun enthusiasts to gather HELPS us reach our goals. If we can't trust someone to drink only after shooting, then could we really trust them with either a firearm or alcohol before that?
Side story... I enjoyed a frosty cold one while sitting on my tailgate after a recent classifier match. There was something... satisfying... about enjoying a drink while watching fellow shooters finish their course of fire. (There were no casualties)
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That's a good post. There's a curious cultural issue here too. Having moved to Nebraska it's interesting being in one of those parts of the world where many people still have the opinion that a person is either a teetotaler or a drunkard and there's no in-between. Or that if a person is drinking, he is drunk... Again no middle ground. Or spending $80 on drink means a pickup bed full of Busch Lite Draft to be consumed on Monday morning before work rather than one bottle of Aberlour A'bunadh that you'll nurse evenings by the fireside through the winter months.
In one overseas job one of my junior employees had a full bar in his cubicle on the work floor and it was pretty much normal. In Germany our movie theater had a nice bar in the lobby, but admittedly the attitude was different--you could get a $20 cocktail but not a plastic cup of bland corn-based beer which is probably what the Lincoln theater will serve once that battle is over. But I don't recall drunk driving, etc being as big of an issue there, because they were Germans and Germans are generally fanatical about following rules.
I'd sort of like the US to go in the direction of thinking about alcohol more maturely and not operating on the assumption that everyone is an out-of-control idiot incapable of discretion and self control.
When I was in high school (man, that was a long time ago) we had an exchange student from Germany. She said she would often go out for a beer after school with her friends back home. The difference between Germany and the U.S. was those 18 year old kids were being responsible about it and not getting blasted every night...probably because they were being treated as adults, not as kids who had to sneak around to taste the forbidden fruit. Without the cultural stigma attached to it alcohol was no big deal, just something to be used responsibly.
And as I sit here typing this I'm drinking a beer at my desk at work. :)
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I had no idea so many ranges allowed alcohol. And it does make sense to me, to trust people to police themselves and be smart about things. For me I could not care less if the gun range has shots after every magazine! I just think the business liability is a huge thing when allowing this, let alone the potential negative press! Everyone knows alcohol and firearms are a bad match if used irresponsibly. But when someone does use them irresponsibly, the media, leftists, all the people that read the story, they won't blame the PERSON who acted wrongly, they will blame the business establishment that created those conditions. The actor never gets blamed! Same goes for shootings (the gun gets blamed), Fat people (soft drinks, desk jobs, enabling family members get blamed), and so on and so on.
I'm not saying its right but we do live in a world where we unfortunately (due to lawyers and a litigious society mostly) have to "protect people from themselves". And I hate to see a good gun range go out of business because some idiot got wasted and shot something/one he wasn't supposed to.
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Just got a new riding lawn mower and used it for the first time today.
If you are mowing and want to back up, the blades disengage.
According to the manual, to mow in reverse, STOP, look around and behind you, hold your fingers under the blade engage button, press the reverse pedal.
So I am mowing in reverse one handed because some idiot jackass somewhere ran over something or someone mowing backwards and some lawyer saw big bucks because you shouldn't be able to do that.
Why do we have to build things for the lowest common denominator? If you are an adult, you are responsible for your own actions. If you want to have a beer or something after shooting, why not?
The whole alcohol is sinful and evil thing is what started the erosion of our 2nd amendment rights in the first place.
It brought prohibition which when it ended left a lot of federal agents with nothing to do. Which resulted in two guys being hassled over a pile of sugar and a sawed off shotgun. It has been downhill ever since.
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Just got a new riding lawn mower and used it for the first time today.
If you are mowing and want to back up, the blades disengage.
According to the manual, to mow in reverse, STOP, look around and behind you, hold your fingers under the blade engage button, press the reverse pedal.
So I am mowing in reverse one handed because some idiot jackass somewhere ran over something or someone mowing backwards and some lawyer saw big bucks because you shouldn't be able to do that.
Why do we have to build things for the lowest common denominator? If you are an adult, you are responsible for your own actions. If you want to have a beer or something after shooting, why not?
The whole alcohol is sinful and evil thing is what started the erosion of our 2nd amendment rights in the first place.
It brought prohibition which when it ended left a lot of federal agents with nothing to do. Which resulted in two guys being hassled over a pile of sugar and a sawed off shotgun. It has been downhill ever since.
Usually one wire disconnected will end this stupid feature. It was the first thing I did to my mower after I bought it.
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I think Gary is against it.
Yesterday I was against it. Today, I downed a fifth of vodka, 15 Colorado bulldogs, and an 18 pack of bush light. Today, it seems like a great idea!
http://youtu.be/yACWE3CzmYQ (http://youtu.be/yACWE3CzmYQ)
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Yesterday I was against it. Today, I downed a fifth of vodka, 15 Colorado bulldogs, and an 18 pack of bush light. Today, it seems like a great idea!
http://youtu.be/yACWE3CzmYQ (http://youtu.be/yACWE3CzmYQ)
I feel like you're not being entirely earnest or consistent in your statements, Gary. Can you clarify your position?
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I think they should also sell tobacco products, and change their name to Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, or ATF. The slogan could be everything a man needs or wants in one convenient location. Then down the road they could expand the name and inventory to this: Bimbos, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or BATFE. They'd get a lot of business, we could all have a really good time there, and their name would get a lot of free advertising. Maybe Eats would be better than Explosives, since alcohol would be consumed there.
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I think they should also sell tobacco products, and change their name to Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, or ATF. The slogan could be everything a man needs or wants in one convenient location. Then down the road they could expand the name and inventory to this: Bimbos, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or BATFE. They'd get a lot of business, we could all have a really good time there, and their name would get a lot of free advertising. Maybe Eats would be better than Explosives, since alcohol would be consumed there.
One of the moderators on The High Road used to have a signature line that went something to the effect of "When the ATF finally kicks my door down I'm going to say 'Hi guys! I've been a big fan of all your products for years!'".