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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: OnTheFly on October 18, 2011, 12:05:58 PM
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Just throwing out some feelers to see if there is any interest. Click on link below, look at image, or read the details reproduced below.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=44665/Product/5-56MM-62GR-420-ROUND-AMMO-CAN?mc_id=6216 (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=44665/Product/5-56MM-62GR-420-ROUND-AMMO-CAN?mc_id=6216)
The details...
5.56MM 62GR 420-ROUND AMMO CAN FEATURES: - 5.56x45mm 62 grain full metal jacket
- 420 rounds loaded on 10 round stripper clips
- Lake City green tipped ammunition
- Brass cased, boxer primed, non-corrosive
- XM855 bullet, same as current U.S. military issue
- Stripper clip guide is included
- Packaged in .30 caliber ammunition can
- Can weight: 16 lbs
- SS109 Steel penetrator core
BENEFITS:
- Lake City ammunition loaded to military specifications
- Loaded on 10 round stripper clips for easy loading and transport
- Packaged in .30 caliber ammo can so that ammo can be easily stacked, stored, and carried
- Boxer primed reloadable brass
Check range rules before using on certain ranges that prohibit using steel core ammo.
The last sentence concerns me. Will Ikes allow this ammo? Or is there any other reason this is not a good deal?
Apparently Brownells has a shipping flat rate of $12.95 regardless of the number of items/weight ordered. This would make the total $162.94 ($149.99+$12.95), or $0.3879 per round.
I was thinking this was a good price and might produce some nice reloadable Lake City brass for those so inclined. Otherwise, it could be good to keep in storage for the purpose of defending the home front during economic collapse and ensuing pandemonium, or an all out zombie outbreak.
One thing I would request, if I put this deal together, I would like to keep at least one of the ammo cans.
Fly
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No problems at Ikes , but no indoor ranges allow steel core.
Personally I would look for M193 type 55 gr FMJ vs M855 62gr penetrator rounds
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Steel core is fine at the Lincoln Ikes. You won't be able to use it at any matches that have steel targets, like ENGC sometimes does for multigun. It's designed to penetrate barriers so it tears up steel targets.
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No problems at Ikes , but no indoor ranges allow steel core.
Personally I would look for M193 type 55 gr FMJ vs M855 62gr penetrator rounds
Those are M855 rounds. :)
Any idea what kind of bulk discount they'd offer? I'd buy a single can if we can get a discount below the 149.99 with bulk.
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Lake City XM855 on stripper clips for $145.95/420 at SGAmmo: http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/420-rd-556-mm-xm855-lc1ac1-lake-city-m855-green-tip-strippers-guide-ammo-can (http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/420-rd-556-mm-xm855-lc1ac1-lake-city-m855-green-tip-strippers-guide-ammo-can)
Buy 16 or more and get it down to $139.95.
I'd be in for one can if we can get it down to $139.95 + shipping.
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Rod over at Moeller Arms has one of the 840rd cans in stock. I'd bet that the price is fairly close to $300-$320. Give the local boy a call.
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This thread sure makes me miss the days of getting 1k rounds of Federal XM193 shipped to my door for $182. :(
Some other options:
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/2251.php (http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/2251.php)
Lake City 5.56 NATO 62 Grain XM855 FMJ on 10 Round Clips in Ammo Can of 420
Pricing: $149.99 per 420 round can
Shipping: $10 per 420rd can
http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/500.php (http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/500.php)
Federal XM193F 5.56mm 55grain FMJ Packaged in 500rd cases
Pricing:
$5.79 per 20 round box
$149.25 per 500 round Case
Shipping:
$12 per 1,000 rounds
Ammo price search engine: http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.223%2F5.56&showall=true (http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.223%2F5.56&showall=true)
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Rod over at Moeller Arms has one of the 840rd cans in stock. I'd bet that the price is fairly close to $300-$320. Give the local boy a call.
Do you remember if it's the 62 or the 55 grain, Doug?
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Lake City XM855 on stripper clips for $145.95/420 at SGAmmo: http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/420-rd-556-mm-xm855-lc1ac1-lake-city-m855-green-tip-strippers-guide-ammo-can (http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/420-rd-556-mm-xm855-lc1ac1-lake-city-m855-green-tip-strippers-guide-ammo-can)
Buy 16 or more and get it down to $139.95.
I'd be in for one can if we can get it down to $139.95 + shipping.
ditto, maybe 2 for me
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Let me work on this a little more. I was going to contact Brownells, PSA, etc. and ask how much we would have to order to get the price down to $139.95 + shipping.
The problem, as Dan W. pointed out when I PM'd him about my idea of a group ammo buy, is shooters tastes for ammo are SO diverse, that getting a group to agree on the same thing may be next to impossible.
I have a 1:8 twist on my Wylde barrel, so I was looking for a heavier bullet. For close quarters work or zombie annihilation, some 55 grain lead core would be fine too. Though I would prefer to engage the zombies from a much further distance...less likely to get bitten that way. ;D Another consideration is the brass. As I understand, Lake City is pretty good stuff, so I thought that might be enticing to some.
So what weight bullet would the interested parties be partial to? 55gr, +55 to 69gr, +70gr? Or are your needs more specific?
Fly
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Do you remember if it's the 62 or the 55 grain, Doug?
It's M855 Green tip 62 Gr. 840 rds on strips, but I don't think it has chargers. It's the same thing as the 420 cans, just double the product in the bigger can.
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What does anyone know about PMC? Do they make good stuff? I don't think I have ever purchased any of their ammo. I found some great deals (~$0.31/round including shipping) on some PMC ammo.
Fly
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PMC makes some pretty good shootin' ammo. Comes out of S Korea as I recall (hey they are making better cars than we are). I've used it pretty extensively in my ARs (55 gr FMJ). Also, bought and used in 9mm 115 gr FMJ which was a police buy from GT Distributors about 2 months ago. Good brass.
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Email from Palmetto State Armory...
If you hit 10,000 rounds of .223 (most types), the price will drop 10 cents per box and the shipping charges will drop to whatever our actual cost is on shipping. Let me know if this applies, because I would have to process it offline or at least go back into your order after you make it and issue the discount that way (as a refund), which might be easier for both of us.
Thanks for your business,
Colt Driver
Palmetto State Armory
803.760.4004
Email from SGammo...
Hi Greg,
I put most of the 223 target ammo out for a "cut-to the-bone" lowest price I can afford to sell for type of price, but if you want 5000 rounds or more of one particular item let me know and I'll take a look but it would not be much maybe a few dollars off per case at best, a lot of this stuff only clears 5-7% profit by the end of the sale. Shipping varies by weight, so if you add an item or 2 or 3, etc, to the shopping cart then click "checkout" and the first thing that happens in checkout is a shipping quote is generated
thanks
sam
www.sgammo.com (http://www.sgammo.com)
Fly
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AbleAmmo has PMC Bronze Line Rifle Ammunition 223A, 223 Remington, FMJ Boat-Tail, 55 GR, 3200 fps, 20 Rds/Box
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/bronze-line-rifle-ammunition-223a-remington-boat-tail-3200-rdsbox-p-106834.html (http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/bronze-line-rifle-ammunition-223a-remington-boat-tail-3200-rdsbox-p-106834.html)
50 boxes @ $5.29/box + 20.73 shipping = $285.23. That is a final price of $0.285 per round.
It appears that the only other option for less expensive brass is to buy 10K rounds which would only drop the cost about a half cent per round ($0.10/box). The next step is to go with steel ammo.
I will need to check finances, but I would probably be able to do 300 to 500 rounds of the AbleAmmo deal above. Anyone else interested?
Fly
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Ammoman.com has 1K rnds of .223 Wolf 62 gr HP for $229 delivered.
Just saying:)
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Ammoman.com has 1K rnds of .223 Wolf 62 gr HP for $229 delivered.
Just saying:)
Thanks gsd. I have considered steel case ammo and their low prices. Though, I was not sure if most people would be interested in it. I have heard that some guns don't handle it well, and I am assuming there are some who would like brass to reload. Lastly, I have been told that it may be less accurate than some of the brass rounds, though I'm not looking for match ammo.
If we get a large group that chimes in and wants to go that direction, I will have to get some to try in my rifle to make sure it will work for me.
Fly
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I pretty much stick to the M855.
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I'll shoot any nasty old crap I can get my hands on. As long as it is cheap. ;D
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How about we do this? If you want in on the deal, list the number of rounds you would like.
OnTheFly 300
Fly
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How about we do this? If you want in on the deal, list the number of rounds you would like.
OnTheFly 300
Fly
What's the deal again? I lost track. :D
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What's the deal again? I lost track. :D
Me too...You give me $300 and I will send you 20 rounds of something. Does that sound like a deal? ;)
OR how about this deal? This is the best deal I can find. Final Answer...
AbleAmmo has PMC Bronze Line Rifle Ammunition 223A, 223 Remington, FMJ Boat-Tail, 55 GR, 3200 fps, 20 Rds/Box
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/bronze-line-rifle-ammunition-223a-remington-boat-tail-3200-rdsbox-p-106834.html (http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/bronze-line-rifle-ammunition-223a-remington-boat-tail-3200-rdsbox-p-106834.html)
50 boxes @ $5.29/box + 20.73 shipping = $285.23. That is a final price of $0.285 per round.
Fly
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I pretty much stick to the M855.
Come on Mud! This is such a LOW price. Your gun is BEGGING to be shot as much as you will be able to at this price. ;D
Fly
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I honestly feel like Widener's deal on IMI M855 is superior...
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9019&dir=18 (http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9019&dir=18)|830|845
1200 rounds for $346 + ~$20 shipping.
So $366 / 1200 = 30.5 cents per round.
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gonna need 1k of 62 grain 5.56 and if it gets us all a better deal, 2k of 124 grain 9mm fmj
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I pretty much stick to the M855.
I honestly feel like Widener's deal on IMI M855 is superior...
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9019&dir=18 (http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9019&dir=18)|830|845
1200 rounds for $346 + ~$20 shipping.
So $366 / 1200 = 30.5 cents per round.
gonna need 1k of 62 grain 5.56 and if it gets us all a better deal, 2k of 124 grain 9mm fmj
Ok...I am willing to go with the M855 since we have three interested parties other than myself.
It does appear that Widener's deal on the IMI M855 is the best I can find for brass case rounds.
Shipping for 1,200 is $24.42. So that is $346 + $24.42 = $370.42 or 30.8 cents per round.
I am in for at least 300 rounds. Mudinyeri, dukduk, and SeanN...what say yous guys?
Fly
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does the deal get sweeter if we all go in on it? i'll get the 1200 rounds, thats pretty good
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Good thing i started reloading.. By the amounts you order, a progressive press would start to make sense. I reload 223's for $0.23 each (including used brass off gunbroker) After the first load it goes down to $0.18 per round..
If you dont want to reload, there are places like webbsbrass.com . They are a commercial reloader. His starting price is $30 for 100 and it goes down the more you order. If you have a bunch of used brass, you can send it to them and they reload it.
Every penny counts if you talk thousands...
I just got 2500 223 cases this week. Hope to get at least half of them loaded over the weekend.
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Good thing i started reloading.. By the amounts you order, a progressive press would start to make sense. I reload 223's for $0.23 each (including used brass off gunbroker) After the first load it goes down to $0.18 per round..
If you dont want to reload, there are places like webbsbrass.com . They are a commercial reloader. His starting price is $30 for 100 and it goes down the more you order. If you have a bunch of used brass, you can send it to them and they reload it.
Every penny counts if you talk thousands...
I just got 2500 223 cases this week. Hope to get at least half of them loaded over the weekend.
Of course, that assumes that you have the time for reloading. :D
Fly, I'd do 300 rounds if we can figure out a cost-effective way of getting it from you to me.
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does the deal get sweeter if we all go in on it? i'll get the 1200 rounds, thats pretty good
The shipping goes down a miniscule amount...so no, not too much. BUT it does help me piggyback and get a better price considering I don't have the $ for 1200 rounds. ;D
Honestly though. If you guys all want 1200 rounds, you can just order and have it delivered directly to your door. The advantage of ordering together would be realized if we ordered some of the PMC 55gr. Ordering 1,000 rounds of that stuff brings it down to $0.285/round.
Let me know if anyone is interested in breaking one of these M855 1,200 round boxes up and I will coordinate. If this does not work for me then, no big deal. I will try to find another group that may be interested in that PMC deal.
By the way, I am in Lincoln, and that is where I would have it delivered.
Fly
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Of course, that assumes that you have the time for reloading. :D
Fly, I'd do 300 rounds if we can figure out a cost-effective way of getting it from you to me.
We could meet somewhere between Omaha and Lincoln, or if I could find another member headed to Omaha, then I could ask them to be the mule.
Fly
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If you dont reload... give me your brass ;D
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If you dont reload... give me your brass ;D
We might be able to work something out. :D
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what's the deal for this gb?
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what's the deal for this gb?
If you mean..."What is the status of this group buy?". I'm waiting for any other interested parties to speak up.
If you mean..."What is the ammo and price for this group buy?". See my post #25.
Fly