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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: wallace11bravo on April 19, 2012, 10:48:26 AM
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The long and short of it is, between 2-6 black males who do not live in any of the immediate houses have been hanging out outside my house, most evenings for the past 2 weeks. Near 27th and Holdrege.
Didn't bother me a whole lot until yesterday a note was in my front yard. "We watching you" is all it said.
I decided to report it to LPD and the officer that took my report was very helpful and insightful. He told me about the Dudley Boyz gang, who had 4 of it's members convicted for the Scheel's break in a couple years back, and have a general history of drug and firearms related crimes.
I do what I can to hide the types of firearms, where they are stored(in a 550lb fire rated safe bolted to my basement floor with motion sensors and dial-out security system), etc. But when I go to the range, I usually have at least 3-4 cases I take with me, and anyone in the neighborhood could have seen this a number of times.
My other concern, given recent events that were given racial overtones by the media , is that they may be trying to provoke me. Now, I am going to great lengths to avoid a confrontation, but I have night classes, and 6 vs 1 is clearly disparity of force, as I will NOT be getting curb stomped.
Last night I elected to call the cops to come scare them off, and it was quite effective. You might say, "why didn't you just try asking them to move on?" Well, I highly doubt that move would be effective, as they would probably just tell me to "get buggered." I would then call the cops, and they would know with relative certainty that I was the one who called. The method I chose leaves that as an uncertainty. My hopes are that after a couple times of LPD running them off, these gentlemen will find somewhere else to hang out.
I've taken several pictures of them, and been doing some research, but I was out of country when the Scheels robbery took place. Any insight anyone can provide on current of past events would be helpful. I truly do hope that this is all coincidence and I am just being paranoid.
And for the record, if it were 2-6 white guys, or even Japanese businessmen in suites, I would be just as concerned. Maybe more so.
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first I'll say I think you are handling this correctly. After a couple of calls the cops generally take to patrolling the area more which encourages folks to move where they hang out, I've been through the same problem here in Omaha.
As far as the Scheels robbery a couple of years ago; there was a break-in at Scheels, I believe they drove a stolen vehicle through the doors, and around 50 firearms were stolen. A few were recovered with arrests in Lincoln within a few days of the robbery but others have been turning up in Arizona, New Mexico etc. They left town with persons who delivered drugs and went back to where the drugs were shipped from...
This is why I keep waiting for a Fast and Furious firearm to show up here in Nebraska. We are on a known drug route for these folks.
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How old are these guys?
Do not get caught taking pictures of them or video them with them seeing you, do not stare at them, ignore them as much as you can.
Is there a way you can load up guns without anyone seeing you, such as pulling into a garage that is closed?
Ignore them and for the most part they will go away.
27th and holdredge not too bad of area, I wouldn't worry about it but if they know they can bug you they will. I am guessing the note is probably because they picked up on your nervousness or noticing them.
At this point there is nt reason for any violence. They are just punks with low self esteem and bugging you is something fun to do. Dont show you are bothered and it wont be any fun for them.
if they yell at you, harrass you etc calling the cops 2 times will allow you a protection order. then they start going to jail. Do not confront them unless they putting or your family in danger.
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How old are these guys?
Do not get caught taking pictures of them or video them with them seeing you, do not stare at them, ignore them as much as you can.
Is there a way you can load up guns without anyone seeing you, such as pulling into a garage that is closed?
Ignore them and for the most part they will go away.
27th and holdredge not too bad of area, I wouldn't worry about it but if they know they can bug you they will. I am guessing the note is probably because they picked up on your nervousness or noticing them.
At this point there is nt reason for any violence. They are just punks with low self esteem and bugging you is something fun to do. Dont show you are bothered and it wont be any fun for them.
if they yell at you, harrass you etc calling the cops 2 times will allow you a protection order. then they start going to jail. Do not confront them unless they putting or your family in danger.
20ish. Some younger some older.
Recon was a large part of my job, including taking pics of people without them knowing.
Short answer, no, or I would have always done it. The setup of the driveway and doors to the house is less than ideal, for pretty much everything.
Should have been more specific. According to the LPD officer, the house where the firearms were seized was across the street from me. I live on Dudley, but not near these individual's current houses.
I am avoiding confrontation, as stated already. So far, other than the note, they have not said a word to me, and I have no way of knowing for sure if they had anything to do with it. Could be a neighbor girl with an akward crush. I don't know what nervousness there could have been, I have only ever seen one or two of these guys before they started collecting on my corner. I have only interacted with the "collection" once, when I came home from night classes at 10:30. As soon as I got out of my vehicle they scattered. I live by myself and unfortunately have a very regular schedule.
Thanks for the tips on the protection order. If it does escalate into such a thing, that would definetly be a good option.
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How old are these guys?
Do not get caught taking pictures of them or video them with them seeing you, do not stare at them, ignore them as much as you can.
Is there a way you can load up guns without anyone seeing you, such as pulling into a garage that is closed?
Ignore them and for the most part they will go away.
27th and holdredge not too bad of area, I wouldn't worry about it but if they know they can bug you they will. I am guessing the note is probably because they picked up on your nervousness or noticing them.
At this point there is nt reason for any violence. They are just punks with low self esteem and bugging you is something fun to do. Dont show you are bothered and it wont be any fun for them.
if they yell at you, harrass you etc calling the cops 2 times will allow you a protection order. then they start going to jail. Do not confront them unless they putting or your family in danger.
When I was in farmhouse fraternity around 33rd and holdredge there was a ton of break ins and shady people. I have jogged by the area in which Wallace lives and it looks equally as bad. Looks like somebody needs a house sitter
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I have some personal experience with the people in that area. Best to just stand down. Don't provoke them but dont make yourself a target. Keep calling the police as needed. Did you notice any vehicles?
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I would go with large breed dog, take him for many walks in the neighborhood.
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You're handling this correctly. I would NOT ask them to "move on." That's just asking for trouble. Get the police involved. That's their job.
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I think your are handling this very smart and the way you should. Isn't a police station just a couple blocks away if I'm not mistaken?
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I grew up in Lincoln, I guess I havent lived there since 2005 so maybe its changed. Might be time to think about moving. I like the 48th and adams area where I grew up.
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Wow,Does this take me back! I lived in that area back in the late 70's. I worked nights and my house was broken into 3 times in a 2yr span! I only lost 1 firearm in addition to a lot of other stuff. My insurance provider dropped me like a hot potato. I see things haven't changed much in 30+ yrs.--Mike.
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I grew up in Lincoln, I guess I havent lived there since 2005 so maybe its changed. Might be time to think about moving. I like the 48th and adams area where I grew up.
Sorry to bust your bubble, that area ain't exactly Disney World anymore either. (Buddy has a shop in the old John Hall shop and I try my best not to be there after dark.) Of course, with the "lack of resources" in LPD, I don't feel at ease most anywhere in Lincoln, after dark. That being said, I feel pretty safe in my 'neck of the woods Thursday-Saturday as there are always a couple officers a couple blocks away at the Grove ;)
As for your situation w11b, keep vigilant and I'm truly sorry you have to live in such an elevated state of awareness everyday. Maybe you should hold an 'empty holster protest' in your front yard 8) (I kid/I kid)
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I lived on 23rd street between Holdredge and Vine by myself for three years of undergrad. It was a sketchy area, but the trouble stayed away for the most part. I had to park in an alley that backed up to a drug house.
The owners of that house transacted a lot of business, but actually policed the alley and surrounding area pretty well. They would break up fights, send junkies on their way etc. Oddly enough, they ran a business and didn't wan any reason for police calls to the area. The police were aware of the situation, but didn't do much about it. I guess the cops were more concerned about violence and robberies that would happen not far away.
They new I had guns (no garage to pull into and unload the trunk after shooting). I kept them all locked up, except the 12ga that was kept in the bedroom whenever I was home.
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Well, they've only come back very intermittently since I called the cops on them the other night. One or two still collect every once in a while, but for no longer than a half hour or so. They still scatter every time I come outside or come home.
The neighbors have been pretty diligent about letting me know if anything happens while I'm gone. One stopped me yesterday to let me know they were out there while I was in class, said he overheard one say. "How anybody gonna know who did it?"
Side note: for those of you who never heard, my other neighbor has had 2 attempted home invasions in the past month. They didn't get a good look at the perps.
I'm going to assume they are not complete retards, and will not attempt something while I am home. I'm headed out to Sedelia for three days, leaving tomorrow night. Anyone have an extra car they wanna park in my driveway? :)
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http://www.midwayusa.com/find?newcategorydimensionid=4292 (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?newcategorydimensionid=4292)
Ever think about getting things listed on the page above?
$9 for an alarm that goes off when a door or window is opened, I may have to invest in something like that...
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Already have 5 motion sensors, a sensor on every door, glass break detector, and a disturbance detector on my safe which has 2 of the aforementioned motion sensors covering it. It calls my cell when ever they go off, which is usually my dumbass when I wake up and walk into the hallway.
Well worth the money in my mind, but these are just reactionary/defensive. I just assume nothing happen in the first place.
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Maybe we need to collect up some volunteers to go smoke a few cigarettes in your driveway periodically while you are gone. Just to keep up the image of activity going on.
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Pick up football game in the yard anybody?
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Maybe bring a picnic table and have a good gun cleaning session.
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i've got a 5 foot folding table, who supplies the chairs?
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I seriously wouldn't have a problem with ya'll doing any of these ideas.
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Just an observation:
Open forum....
Times commonly gone from home....
What is in house....
Travel plans and duration...
Sometimes "need to know" is a wise security.
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True,
As far as what is in the house: Nothing they didn't already know. Except the safe, which I could not imagine would encourage them. Unfortunately most of the neighbors know about the security system, due to my dumbass setting it off a few times.
Travel Plans/schedule: was purposely being inaccurate, and nothing that they could not observe anyways.
As far as other people, no real location, no relevant or accurate info was given, and there are much easier ways to steal firearms in Nebraska than perusing relatively obscure forums.
I assure you, I do not volunteer any real info to the neighbors. None of them even know my real name.
That being said, you do have a point. Good looking out :)
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Besides, the forum really isn't "open" per se. When I registered it took 6 months to get my account activated lol.
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Bought a motorcycle from a guy...who would not return my calls over paperwork.
After I reached the point of resolve, a few minutes of internet search had his parents names, address and phone numbers (father was the actual owner...sold via son), wifes cell phone number, where the guy worked, church...actually quite a bit of life, school and family history in a very short search. Just a simple "google" search, nothing too elaborate. Called the wife, who said "his phone was broken"...guy called me back 5 minutes later on "his broken phone"...realizing that screening calls would not work.
Have used this several other times to get info on someone. It all brings the realization that someone with a bit more experience and resolve could get much more than most people would want them to have. There are so many public records (Property tax) and various registries, that it can be very easy to find identity and trace to other records. It is amazing what web crawlers capture and retain in cache even after the orignial info is removed.
People are clever and find ways around everything.
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Well aren't you just a ray of sunshine lol.
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Sometimes when I'm bored at work, I'll search the net for myself. Thankfully, there isn't a clue. I also searched around for info about loved ones and had them delete anything I could find.
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Hell, I'd almost be more afraid for them if they try something. :laugh:
But in seriousness, sounds like you're handling it the right way. I don't know what I would do, in the same situation. Let us know how things turn out and stay safe.
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By the way, I believe this robbery is the reason Scheels now has the unattractive metal mesh over the display cases. My understanding is that their insurer made them install the new cases.
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Just when I thought the situation had been diffused...
2 fights today. First one was just shouting and shoving, then it broke up. Second escalated into baseball bats, tire irons, someone got hit with a car. Cops showed up just after it broke up. First one was just a few people, second one was about 15 black males, few cars damaged and some minor injuries as near as I could tell.
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Minor victory, I just saw 2 of them get carted off. I assume the fuzz will want to talk to me here in a minute. :)
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These guys were milling about in front of your house and started brawling?
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Ah, don't worry. I believe this is where nobody gets ticketed because "victim was uncooperative" and they can't prove anything...
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Actually, today was the first time I've seen any real collection since the last time I called the cops on them. They've come around in groups of 2 or 3, but don't stay longer than 5 minutes. Found out from LPD that someone had a pistol, 3 where tracked down and arrested, and 2 of those had outstanding warrants. They said a few had turned up at hospitals as well and are awaiting questioning. Also, I will probably be getting a court summons.
Also, there was a shooting a few blocks away last night, and someone got the snot kicked out of them earlier in the day about a block away. Didn't know about those until LPD told me. They've had a couple of unmarked cars driving by since it happened.
I ain't too worried. This actually tells me that I am probably not being specifically targeted, they have an apparent internal conflict that has them distracted, LE attention to this area has been increased, they are not well armed or organized, and their "optempo" (or whatever the gang equivalent is) has been disrupted.
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Yeah, but you still could easily end up getting caught in the middle of a fight between these yahoos, or witnessing something they don't want reported to the police. Say you happen to walk out your door just as one of them shoots the other. That makes you a target too. Not trying to be pessimistic, and it's good the police are disrupting them. Just stay alert and stay safe. I would hate to read about you in the news.