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I sent my state senator, Robert Hilkemann, an email asking him to support this bill and this is the response I received the next day:
"Thank you for contacting me. I supported this measure last year. It is opposed by our local police union. Last year it had the support of Mayor Stothert, this year she is not taking a position on the measure. I will keep your thoughts in mind as we consider this issue again this year.
Sincerely,
Senator Robert Hilkemann
District 4
Nebraska Legislature
(402) 471-2621"
It looks like a decent response, though lukewarm. Maybe we can get this passed this time. With 31 Republicans and one Libertarian versus 15 Democrats I don't see how it can't pass (unless all the Democrats are anti-gun and a substantial number of Republicans are RINOs).
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I sent my state senator, Robert Hilkemann, an email asking him to support this bill and this is the response I received the next day:
"Thank you for contacting me. I supported this measure last year. It is opposed by our local police union. Last year it had the support of Mayor Stothert, this year she is not taking a position on the measure. I will keep your thoughts in mind as we consider this issue again this year.
Sincerely,
Senator Robert Hilkemann
District 4
Nebraska Legislature
(402) 471-2621"
It looks like a decent response, though lukewarm. Maybe we can get this passed this time. With 31 Republicans and one Libertarian versus 15 Democrats I don't see how it can't pass (unless all the Democrats are anti-gun and a substantial number of Republicans are RINOs).
Thanks for posting this. I am sure Stothert is neutral because of the election this year. Unfortunately there are quite a few RINOs and even worse, people who will NOT stand up to Chambers, so it can be hard to shutdown the stall tactics that will be used to block the vote.
This is not an issue that is specific to just Omaha or Lincoln. I believe, others here have better information than I, that there are even communities out west that have "funky" laws that which put someone at risk because they have no way of knowing about them as they travel through the state. Once we have the laws set evenly across the whole state we can then begin to work to take back our rights and get things like constitutional carry firmly protected in this state.
We need everyone to put forth a lot of effort to contact their state senators and get others to do the same so that there is lots of pressure from the voters to make sure this state has equal laws everywhere.
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LB68
This is the answer that I received from Sen. Hilkemann.
Thank you for contacting me. I supported this measure last year. It is opposed by our local police union. Last year it had the support of Mayor Stothert, this year she is not taking a position on the measure. We will see how this one plays out if it reaches the floor for debate.
Senator Robert Hilkemann
District 4
Nebraska Legislature
(402) 471-2621
It must be a rubber stamp answer.
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I think the Mayor remaining neutral this year has more to do with the City Council coming out against it rather than not taking a stance like they did 2 years ago (last session).
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I would like to ask my senator to support this bill. What information should one supply in an email or snail mail letter to voice support for a bill? I'm guessing residential address would serve as evidence that you're a voter in that district. Anything else?
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Bluebird, yes including your address is a good idea when writing yourSenator. A good letter is usually short, simply I ask you to support this bill. If you have a personal story of how you personally are effected it is also good to share that info, but keep it short. Most of the letters simply get marked as a note that x number of constituents contacted supporting and y opposed, but a good short story usually gets brought to the Senators attention and they may use it during floor debate if they agree with your position.
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Thanks AAllen.
I sent a letter through snail mail.
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170208/nebraska-important-firearms-preemption-legislation-to-be-heard-in-committee
The NRA has a good explanation of this bill
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yea I saw that too the NRAILA sent it out just the other day as as an E-mail alert
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MP3 of the Hearing. I attended so you didn't have to. :)
There was a long line of the anti's who spoke. 3hrs for your listening pleasure.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18404140/CCW/NE/LB68_Hearinig_Room_1507_Feb_2017.mp3
Save and spread before the cease and Desist order comes down.
http://www.neccw.com $80 for NE/UT
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"Save and spread before the cease and Desist order comes down."
Huh ???? The hearing and associated comments are public record. The written transcripts will be available in about 2 weeks as well.
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Mines democrat Matt Hansen. Andybody know if he's taken a position on firearms laws?
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Pulled this quote from Floor debate transcript early on.
If the gang violence is so bad, sounds like your laws are not working now. Time to change them.
http://www.nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/105/PDF/Transcripts/FloorDebate/r1day8.pdf
SENATOR MORFELD:
The laws that this bill would preempt would take away the city's ability, and the counties now in the new version of the bill as compared to two years ago, it would take away their ability to combat gang violence in most cases.
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If the gang violence is so bad, sounds like your laws are not working now. Time to change them.
I believe you summed it up perfectly.
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I would simply ask Senator Morfield what is more important, the rights of the all the citizens of Nebraska or criminals, I think the police in other States don't have a problem catching the criminals without violating the rights of law abiding citizens....
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Committee changes now make Omaha "like traveling through other states" on restrictions to NON-CHP holders. And they wonder why I don't go to Omaha and I have a CHP.
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We need to get this amended, handguns I'm fine with a locked case, but long guns should just be cased....
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i don't think any gun should HAVE to be in a case unless your following game and parks / your out hunting ...
Neb is open carry ..they trying to trim it down to only those on foot get to "OC" ?
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We need to get this amended, handguns I'm fine with a locked case, but long guns should just be cased....
How many of us have lockable cases? At home, I have one box with a push button combination lock. On the way to the range, it's a range bag, an old laptop computer case, or a handgun pocket. My only reason to buy a lockable case would be to check a firearm with an airline.
Whether it's a long gun or short, unloaded in a closed, latched case not concealed on your body should be sufficient protection for police officers during traffic stops. If they can't get their own guns out in the time it takes me to open a case, grab the gun inside and load it, they aren't qualified to do the job.
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It looks like this bill is in danger of going totally south for us. I am sidelined on this due to having Patty Pansing-Brooks as a rep. She has never seen a gun ban she didn't support. She was even talking about a total assault weapons ban for the state this last fall prior to the election. Hope the bill is dumped if this amendment is added. Too bad after all the work and hopes this time around.
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How many of us have lockable cases? At home, I have one box with a push button combination lock. On the way to the range, it's a range bag, an old laptop computer case, or a handgun pocket. My only reason to buy a lockable case would be to check a firearm with an airline.
My range bag and pistol rugs have lockable zippers. I got in the habit of using those in CA because it was the law, and still do so on the off chance I were to get distracted between the front door and the gun safe when I come home from shooting. In practice, these are more secure than a lot of hard gun cases. Easier to break cheap plastic than tear through padded Cordura if you were trying to access the gun in a hurry.
(In any case, this is the primary reason I got my CHP. Without it, just owning/transporting guns in Omaha seemed dicey.)
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Many of you have seen the amendment on LB-68. The Board is discussing this amendment and we will be meeting with those involved in the crafting of it. The purpose of the meeting is to conduct some fact finding. We have several concerns that it does not reflect the intention of State Preemption. We will keep you, the members, up to date.
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The biggest point for the Board to bring out on all of this, these amendments bring out a huge burden on law abiding citizens while transporting firearms and carrying. I would love for the OPDA to answer one simple question, will the criminal/gang elements follow these restriction, we all know the answer is no....
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Sent Kate Bolz an email this morning along with a voicemail. She was fairly week kneed about this last year but I'm hoping for a little more stomach this year. We shall see.
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With a floor vote coming up tomorrow have the amendments in this bill diluted the original intent to the point that it would be better to let the measure die?
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With a floor vote coming up tomorrow have the amendments in this bill diluted the original intent to the point that it would be better to let the measure die?
The first vote will be for Cloture, meaning to end debate and move on. If they get the 33 votes for cloture then each amendment will be debated and voted on individually. AM630 should pass and the others are unlikely to get any real support. If that is how things go, then we are good with the amended bill. AM630 is the only amendment that is acceptable at this time. It's not ideal should get enough support to get the bill to pass.
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I got this email from my state senator:
"Thank you for writing to me about LB 68. I support the bill.
Sincerely,
Senator Robert Hilkemann
District 4
Nebraska Legislature"
Looks good to me.
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State Senator Matt Hansen does not. He doesn't .
Dear Stuart,
Thank you for reaching out to my office, and for sharing your support for LB68 and LB666. I share similar concerns to you with the amendment to LB 68, as giving out exemptions to Omaha severely undercuts the stated purpose of the law. I have also been speaking with our local law enforcement, both police and sheriff, who had concerns on some of the local ordinances that would be eliminated - including the provision against bringing guns into the county jail. I hope there is some area for possible compromise (there has been proposals to mirror Federal law and allow for exemptions for those traveling across the state, for example) but the bill as proposed and currently amended is not something I think I could support.
I did support LB 666, and do plan to continue to support that clarification. I will keep your thoughts in mind when the bills are on the floor of the Legislature.
State Senator Matt Hansen
District 26, State Capitol
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Today I received a letter from senator Geist,a response to my email.
She said she is a strong supporter of the second amendment and co-signed the bill. Also she said senator Hilgers has her full support.
Glad I voted for her.
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so what is in this bill now. I have heard that Omaha is exempt. I've also heard it will make Omaha's or Lincoln's laws the same for the whole state.
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Amendment 630 http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/105/PDF/AM/AM630.pdf (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/105/PDF/AM/AM630.pdf)
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so what is in this bill now. I have heard that Omaha is exempt. I've also heard it will make Omaha's or Lincoln's laws the same for the whole state.
It does not make their ordinances law for the whole state. If it becomes law, it takes a few of the "tools" Omaha police say they need and places those into state law. It removes all of the ordinances from Omaha, Blair and Lincoln and makes it so they can not write anymore. It will set it so that only the State has the ability to write laws regarding the ownership or possession of firearms. The added tools for Omaha apply only to a city of the metropolitan class which at this time is just Omaha.
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so the amendment banning open carry in the whole state is gone
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so the amendment banning open carry in the whole state is gone
I never saw an amendment that would ban open carry across the state.
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So what were the concessions made for Omaha
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So what were the concessions made for Omaha
Check out amendment 630, link a couple post up. ;D
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I can't seem to find here or in newspapers where LB68 stands. I contacted my state rep from 2nd district. Never did get a response. where is the bill at right now?
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I can't seem to find here or in newspapers where LB68 stands. I contacted my state rep from 2nd district. Never did get a response. where is the bill at right now?
It was advanced 32-12. It has to go through two more rounds of debates then it goes to the governor to be signed in to law.
http://www.omaha.com/news/legislature/senators-advance-bill-that-would-end-local-gun-regulations-in/article_6bc0d5a0-1fcd-11e7-abcc-67ec9a0b8bad.html
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This is copied and pasted from something sent out by Two swords Training. I think it shows just how criminal the Nebraska legislature is, and how cowardly and impotent the state Republican party is (if not outright complicit in these crimes).
Tale of two states – KS vs NE
When comparing gun rights one does not need to look far for vast differences in levels of
freedom. The Nebraska legislature can complain all they want about needing this gun law or
this part of the concealed carry law but the arguments don't hold water.
Nebraska and Kansas are states that are very similar.
Both have college towns, Lincoln contains the capital, Lawrence does not. A multitude of small
towns, surrounded by farmland. Both have large city problems. Omaha compared to Kansas
City Kansas. When looking at the gun and knife freedoms the differences become clear.
Issue Nebraska Kansas
Handgun Purchase Permits YES NO
No Concealed Carry Signs have force of law YES NO
City Handgun Registration (Omaha) YES (Omaha) NO
Switchblade carry banned YES NO
Knife Carry over 3 1/2 inches banned YES NO
Public Building Carry banned YES+ NO++
Bar Carry Banned YES NO
Possible City Open Carry Regulations YES NO
School Carry Banned YES NO
State Capital Carry Banned YES NO
College Campus Carry Banned YES NO++
Carry without a permit Banned
Constitutional Carry is allowed in Kansas YES NO
+ Per Nebraska law CCW is banned where public meetings are held.
++ Per Kansas law, public buildings must provide adequate security (Metal Detectors) or allow
licensed concealed carry, after a four exemption, period ending July 1st, 2017.
++ Starting July 1st, 2017 a four year exemption expires and Colleges Campuses must provide
adequate security (Metal Detectors) or allow concealed carry.
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Why do I write all this? Because gun and knife rights can always be improved.
Are there massive problems in Kansas because of these freedoms? No.
That is what you have to point out to your Nebraska legislators.
KANSAS STATEHOUSE CARRY
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/19/kansas-law-allows-500-daily-statehouse-visitors-tocarry-concealed-handguns-starting-in-july/
http://www.twoswordstraining.com
http://www.neccw.com
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Listening to Heath Mello on the radio. Against LB 68.
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Listening to Heath Mello on the radio. Against LB 68.
Of course he is. That should come as no surprise to anyone.
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Listening to Heath Mello on the radio. Against LB 68.
This is a truly stunning revelation!! Not.
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As I type this my state senator, Matt Hansen, is happily recapping this passed session with the ACLU of Nebraska. I marked his post on Facebook with an angry face.
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As I understand it the problem is that the omaha and lincoln police want to keep honest citizens from defending themselves so they (the police)can fight gangs? ???
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That is part of it. Also, we have several representatives from those same cities who would like to be career politicians so they vote with the wind, emotion, and hype instead of the state constitution.
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That is part of it. Also, we have several representatives from those same cities who would like to be career politicians so they vote with the wind, emotion, and hype instead of the state constitution.
Those interested in a long political career should be reminded that in Nebraska, as in flyover country in general, gun control is a losing issue. And if they think grovelling before the liars of the liberal press will do them any good they should be reminded that John McCain made grovelling before that big lie machine his life's work, and it didn't do him one bit of good when he ran for President against Obama. But standing up to that big lie machine is one of the reasons Trump won first the nomination and then the election. Moral to the story: be like Trump, not McCain.
I think all politicians need to be reminded from time to time that the liars of liberal media are not the voice of the people; they are liars manipulating fools. Their propaganda campaigns can be effective, but if a true leader stands up to them and speaks the truth in answer to their lies he will be supported by patriots. And in Nebraska patriots outnumber liberals, even when the liberal herd is expanded by the low information voters that often run with it. The truth will beat the lies of liberalism every time when a candidate is not afraid to speak it. And standing up for the right to be armed will get you elected.
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So with 14 days left in the legislative session does anyone know the status of this bill? Has Senator Hilgers said anything lately in this regard?
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So with 14 days left in the legislative session does anyone know the status of this bill? Has Senator Hilgers said anything lately in this regard?
LB68
Prohibit certain regulation of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories by counties, cities, and villages as prescribed and create firearm offenses
Introduced by Sen. Mike Hilgers on Jan. 5, 2017
Current status: Select File
Co-sponsors
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History Items
Date Action Journal Votes
Jan. 3, 2018 Title printed. Carryover bill View Journal Page 9
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At this point we consider LB68 as not making it through the system as there isn't enough time to get it debated and processed, especially with the number of votes we have for it.
We haven't given up, but we will need to get people motivated to speak out and vote in people who will stand up for our rights instead of letting the vocal minority continue to rule the roost.