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Handguns, Rifles & Shotguns => Rifles => Topic started by: Ram Ringer on May 15, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
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I am looking at buying at an AR 15 and i think I found the one I want, mainly due to the price, It is from Scheels and they have the option of selling it with and with out a Reflex sight. The difference is only $50. I have never used a Reflex sight so my question is what would be better buying it with the Reflex or without and buying a Red Dot to put on it. I am looking for something within 100 yards or so. I already have a bolt gun for long Range.
Thanks
Galen
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What brand sight is it? If they are saying it's worth $50, it's probably actually worth $25.
Depending on what brand of AR you're looking at, buying one off the web will more than likely be cheaper, even with shipping and a transfer fee.
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The Rifle is a DPMS Oracle, I am not sure what brand the sight is, I will most likely replace it eventually but looking at it to get me started.
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Galen,
I would check out reviews on that Oracle before your purchase. I also bought an AR-15 of a different brand- also due to price and loved it. My issue was that the barrel heated up way too fast- one clip and it was scorching hot. The gun performed extremely well other than that.
I recently switched to ordering a bull barrel complete upper half to avoid super hot temps like this.
Be careful- AR-15's are addicting! LOL
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Oh yes, as for the reflex sight...I would prefer to buy a gun that is fully functional from the get go. I am not versed well with the reflex sight. I prefer the flip up type sights- they work great. Check out the folding sights by Magpul. Just my two cents.
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Galen,
I would check out reviews on that Oracle before your purchase. I also bought an AR-15 of a different brand- also due to price and loved it. My issue was that the barrel heated up way too fast- one clip and it was scorching hot. The gun performed extremely well other than that.
I recently switched to ordering a bull barrel complete upper half to avoid super hot temps like this.
Be careful- AR-15's are addicting! LOL
Barrels that heat up fast also cool down fast...Bull barrels hold the heat and stay hot a long time. The real question is this, Does your barrel have a shift in point of impact when hot?
If your Bull barrel shifts when hot it stays that way for a long time, and besides it is too damn heavy to hump around all day.
I like a lightweight profile, and luckily mine all hold the point of impact quite well when hot, unless I get silly and do several mag dumps, maintaining a 1-2 moa zero during rapid fire
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If it don't have iron's it's no good to me! YMMV
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you could always build your own... thats pretty fun. and only a little money at a time, plus used parts are plentiful.
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My advice: Skip the cheap reflex sight. Use irons for now and save up for a good optic. Vortex makes some very nice stuff for a very good price.
DPMS makes a decent gun, a lot of people like to look down on them but for 99.99% of shooters it's just fine. Personally I think Palmetto State Armory is the best out there for the money. I've put together a couple of their kits and handled some complete rifles and they're very good quality, for the same price as DPMS.
I personally wouldn't want a bull barrel AR for anything other than bench shooting or prairie dogs. My 18" SPR barrel is a little on the heavy side but it's just right for me. Still a lot lighter than a bull barrel, and it kills the dogs just fine.
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Thanks for the help, It will probably another week or two before I am ready to buy so I have a little time to think of my options. I am definently leaning towards this platform as I say it is due to the price. I will look over the sight before I purchase. I realize this reflex may be cheap, but I may go with it just to see which I like better the reflex or red dot. I already have a Red dot on another gun. Figure out what sight I want to eventually put on it. I am really just getting started in the AR world the only real experince I have is the with the one in my Avatar which was a Rock River Arms with STI Ind suppressor. It was also a Govt issue.
Once again thanks for the help.
Galen
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I recently purchased the same DPMS (w/o the sight) and I am happy with it. They say it is the highest selling AR on the market today. I have some cheap flip up iron sights and used a reflex on it this weekend (BSA I got cheap) and I like it better than the red dot I have.
Just a AR newbie's opinion.
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Got my DPMS Sportical from budsgunshop.com last July/August for a little under $600. Check their site, they have the best prices on guns IMO especially since you don't pay tax or shipping. BTW I don't see how people can talk down about a DPMS, AR's are made to pretty much the same specs. Some come with more bells and whistles out of the factory resulting in a higher price. Buy a basic bare bones one and upgrade it to your specifications or just build your own, they are very simple.
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Not sure what AR's are going for locally but Buds has a their cheapest DPMS at $679 now... Gone up significantly in the past 10 months. Get on it and invest in one now lol
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Barrels that heat up fast also cool down fast...Bull barrels hold the heat and stay hot a long time. The real question is this, Does your barrel have a shift in point of impact when hot?
If your Bull barrel shifts when hot it stays that way for a long time, and besides it is too damn heavy to hump around all day.
I like a lightweight profile, and luckily mine all hold the point of impact quite well when hot, unless I get silly and do several mag dumps, maintaining a 1-2 moa zero during rapid fire
Thus far, the bull actually stays cool. I purchased it in 16" due to concern for weight. I am very pleased with it. I was actually looking at at a 24"- but that may have been too heavy.
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I went ahead and purchased the DPMS with the reflex sight. So far I have only put maybe 30-40 rounds down range, with most of the that being single shots with cleaning in between to break in the barrel per manufactures recommendations. I am hoping to put a lot of rounds down range with it this weekend.
Thanks for the replies.
Galen
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Galen,
Would you give us a full review on your new AR after you spend some time with it? I am in the market for another here soon.
Thanks!
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Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. Took it out today and fired off some rounds, but didn't get a chance to really test it. Memorial Day Weekend in Central Kansas equals high winds which make it difficult to test loads. But so far I like the gun. I have measured them yet, but have gotten some pretty decent groups at 75 yards and I think they can be tightened up quite a bit. I haven't had any misfires or misfeeds yet.
I will try to get out with it in the near future and then report back on how things go.
Thanks
Galen
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My 1in9 twist DPMS loves 55gn FMJ BT over 26gn of win748, with cci primers. It hates 68gn bullets. YMMV