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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: unfy on February 02, 2014, 06:20:55 AM
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I'm fine. Occurred while I was at work. Did police report.
6 guns were stolen - South Omaha between 10am sat morning and 4am sun evening
Stack on safe - cheap black ten gun
Win mod 94 30-30 s#6061146
Marlin 981T 22lr s#91676762 - recovered! (2016-04-04)
Mossy 500 Persuader 12 ga pistol grip only s#t307154
Stoeger Coach 12ga s#639530-10 - recovered! (2016-04-15)
Richland Arms 10ga side by side s#50908
S&W 686 357mag revolver s#dcn7188
The S&W will be the most missed.
I'll post serial numbers later. The firearms were the only target I can tell so far.
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They take the whole safe or break into it?
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Took the safe. Wasn't bolted to wall - was basically just to keep kid out of it.
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WTF?
I'll be watching the FB exchanges (in case they're that stupid)
I know this has probably been asked, but Someone you know? Someone recently in your home- service work? Cable Guy, Plumber, etc?
Awful precise theft to be random.
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MUD guy a month ago while they were doing survey for gas line work up and down street. No one else. Only coworkers, a best friend, immediate neighbors, and coworkers know I have firearms. We'll and NFoA :)
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Original post added serial#'s
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Holy Cow!
Somebody Knew We Were Having Coffee Together Saturday Afternoon...........
Unfy: You're an NRA member. I dimly recall that as a member you have $2500 or so firearms theft insurance. If it was activated.
Guess we won't be shooting that 10gauge.
sfg
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Wasn't activated. I had not sat down to do that paper work yet
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Well sonofa.....
I am sorry to hear that sir, I'll keep my eyes open for them.
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unfy - sorry to hear of your loss. :(
Anyone who is an NRA member can get $2500 worth of free firearms insurance with your membership, but you have to activate it here:
https://nrainsurance.locktonaffinity.com/ArmsCareActivation/activation (https://nrainsurance.locktonaffinity.com/ArmsCareActivation/activation)
If you are an NRA member, and haven't activated this insurance before now, it might be a good time....
Ghost
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Unfy, Sorry this happened to you. Thanks for sharing... a good reminder to all of us that it can happen.
Ghost, thanks to you too, for the link to activate the NRA insurance. Mine is now activated.
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As members here, how about we put a fund together to help out a brother?
Sorry for your loss.
Now for the butt chewing.
Stack on gun cabinet? Fail.
Not bolted down? Fail
This is not to chastise you, it is for the other 300 people on here that are in the same boat you were.
Good quality safe, in a hidden location, out of sight, not prominent , and bolted down to concrete.
Gun safe should be worth as much or more than any single good gun in the safe.
Again, sorry for your loss.
In Lincoln, anyone that wants to drop off a donation to UNFY, I will see he gets the donations. Large or small, all is welcome. A couple other locations across the state would be good, if someone else wants to help.
Anyone that wants to donate a safe, let me know, I can help with pick-up and delivery.
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WOW. Stole the whole safe? And non of your neighbors saw anything?
Sorry to hear about your loss, hope you can get those back. Which reminds me to update my inventory.
Know you already hit the local pawn shops.
I'll keep an eye out for 'em.
There is a database of stolen firearms, but you need to register.
http://www.stolenweapon.com/ (http://www.stolenweapon.com/)
Good luck unfy.
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WOW. Stole the whole safe? And non of your neighbors saw anything?
Sorry to hear about your loss, hope you can get those back. Which reminds me to update my inventory.
Know you already hit the local pawn shops.
I'll keep an eye out for 'em.
There is a database of stolen firearms, but you need to register.
http://www.stolenweapon.com/ (http://www.stolenweapon.com/)
Good luck unfy.
Pawn shops are not like it is in the movies. In all the years of I owned a pawn shop, only had one stolen firearm. It was an escaped convict, in a stolen truck, that pawned the rifle, hanging in the window. Had I figured out what the guy was doing, there was a $50,000 reward for him. Most criminals are not that desperate. In a pawn shop, you know you will be found out, his plan was to be long gone, before we figured it out, which he was.
Many guns that are stolen, end up in gangs, or at the bottom of a lake.
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Sorry for your loss unfy...I do hope all gets recovered.
I'm curious, was the safe in your garage or basement or interior room?
How was entry gained?
Any neighbors in the area have any surveillance cams or knowledge of comings & goings in the area?
Toting around a safe, albeit a smaller one, still is not an easy thing to hide when carrying out in the open.
With nothing else taken.....someone really had to know where you kept your stuff AND when you were going to be away.
This is a wake up call for the rest of us.
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I don't want a donation drive at the moment.
I have my carry pistol.
The loss was material and not of supreme consequence at the moment.
I really appreciate the thought though.
There are more needy folks than I. They deserve it more.
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I'm gonna try to get some sleep. I'll address a few other things after I awake.
Thanks again to those keeping an eye out.
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I would think that your homeowners's insurance policy should cover at least part of that. Most will up to a certain limit, though you may be close to that point.
I hate thieves more than just about anything else... :angry:
Sorry. :(
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UNFY, may we cross-post this information on some other Nebraska gun related sites to be on the look out ??
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Yes, thanx Ghost- I thought I had activated mine, but couldn't find any receipts, so did it again just to be sure.
I have Renter's Insurance thru Farm Bureau and we discussed firearms directly. It is covered, and we adjust it yearly accordingly.
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when i clicked the link, i didn't think it was going to relate to an active member.
sorry to hear.
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Wasn't activated. I had not sat down to do that paper work yet
I don't believe there is anything to "activate" for the first $1,000 coverage. It will certainly be worth a phone call to them tomorrow.
As Farmer Rick said, follow up with Homeowner's policy. Sadly, most only cover up to $500 TOTAL loss without an additional rider.
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Not what you want to hear, but home burglary, can be like a trip to the salad bar. People sometimes go through line again. In a hurry to get away, if they saw anything they also want, they might come back.
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I don't believe there is anything to "activate" for the first $1,000 coverage.
http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/armscare.htm?segmentcode=afm11220 (http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/armscare.htm?segmentcode=afm11220)
The change to $2500 coverage a few years back came with the activation requirement
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Perhaps instead of a fundraiser for replacing the guns, the NFOA with the help of it's members put together a reward for info leading to the return of said weapons to their rightful owner?
Whatcha think?
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Perhaps instead of a fundraiser for replacing the guns, the NFOA with the help of it's members put together a reward for info leading to the return of said weapons to their rightful owner?
Whatcha think?
Too bad vigilante posses are not a politically correct response any more.
Fly
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Perhaps instead of a fundraiser for replacing the guns, the NFOA with the help of it's members put together a reward for info leading to the return of said weapons to their rightful owner?
Whatcha think?
I'm for that! You heading it up Rick? Where do I send the money?
Maybe....
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Perhaps instead of a fundraiser for replacing the guns, the NFOA with the help of it's members put together a reward for info leading to the return of said weapons to their rightful owner?
Whatcha think?
THIS ^^^^
Isn't that how Crime Stoppers works? A fund could be set up to provide a reward for info leading to an arrest. Maybe someone in that area could be the designated rep for the NFOA to collect any contributions and forward said funds to Crime Stoppers on behalf of Unfy's case.
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unfy, glad you're okay. I remember the Smithy from the reloading class. A sweet little handgun for sure.
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I will print out the list to give a copy to all the dealers at the next Fremont Gun Show in 2 weeks.
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If you have extras of the list. ill put them on my table at fremont
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After an uneasy nap - slept hard for ... Ever? Heh.
Any info I post here can be used by anyone for anything at anytime. Even if it shines me in a bad light :)
The crime stoppers like thing is interesting. I'd have to think about it and those interested should bug the NFOA board - there's political concerns etc.
Thanks again to folks wanting / doing helping out.
I'll be munching on breakfast then getting a few totes from Menards to take what very few things of value left to store elsewhere. I don't collect much of value - firearms were the most of it and they only totaled 2-3k or so: far less than a decent trap / skeet gun :P
When I get to work behind a keyboard I'll type out more. Instead of this phone heh
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Ok, I've made it to work. Time to type out some stuff heh. I'll see if I can address some posts by folks first.
I know this has probably been asked, but Someone you know? Someone recently in your home- service work? Cable Guy, Plumber, etc?
Awful precise theft to be random.
Only person to have been in my house other than me in the past 12 months was an MUD guy doing a survey for gas line work they're in the middle of doing right now. And no, he didn't go near where the guns were.
Now for the butt chewing.
Stack on gun cabinet? Fail.
Not bolted down? Fail
This is not to chastise you, it is for the other 300 people on here that are in the same boat you were.
Good quality safe, in a hidden location, out of sight, not prominent , and bolted down to concrete.
Gun safe should be worth as much or more than any single good gun in the safe.
I typically don't collect anything of value. Jewelry, expensive electronics, etc. It's just "stuff" which I generally don't give two ****s about. That said, I had been slowly collecting some cheap guns over the years. The amount of them I had warranted a small cabinet / safe thing to help keep them out of the hands of Squirt when he came over.
So, the only purpose of this 'safe' was to keep Squirt out of it. Not an anti-theft device.
Not bolted down - not intended to be an antitheft device, and given that I rent - I don't think the land lord might appreciate me drilling holes into stuff :D
As far as worth of the safe being upwards in price if it's for protecting the guns - I agree :D
Anyone that wants to donate a safe, let me know, I can help with pick-up and delivery.
Hehehehe. Only firearm left is the one on my hip. Doesn't require a safe :(
And non of your neighbors saw anything?
Apparently not.
http://www.stolenweapon.com/ (http://www.stolenweapon.com/)
Requires $13 for a lifetime membership ? Not at the moment.
I'm curious, was the safe in your garage or basement or interior room?
Bedroom. I live in a house that was turned into an apartment. I'm in the basement of the house with it's own front and back doors.
How was entry gained?
And this is where everyone face palms hehehe.
Given that I live in this funky apartment - well - the breaker box for my apartment is in my laundry room. It just so happens that the breaker box for the upstairs is also in my laundry room (two breaker boxes). So I happen to leave my back door unlocked as a courtesy to upstairs neighbors. This has obviously been changed now.
So how was entry gained ? Walked in from back door.
This is further evidenced in that the cat litter box had been moved and the light in the laundry room had been unscrewed (to turn it off). They dusted the light bulb for prints, for those who are curious.
Any neighbors in the area have any surveillance cams or knowledge of comings & goings in the area?
A neighbor across the street would typically kinda know - he likes to sit out on his porch and keep an eye on things. But with it cold out - he's not been sitting outside. As far as cameras - no all around.
With nothing else taken.....someone really had to know where you kept your stuff AND when you were going to be away.
This is where it does get a bit weird.
Since I hurt my back a year ago I haven't really kept up with cleaning. The place is downright cluttered to all hell. Ya can't take two consecutive steps in any given direction - and you *will* have to walk over something. Too many projects going on at once heh.
As such, it'd be difficult to not disturb things, yet the only things disturbed was the gun safe, gun cases, a heater they knocked over, a chisel they grabbed from an adjoining room to pry open a pistol box, and possibly a box of reloaded ammo that looks to have been moved.
So having not disturbed anything, means they took their time. Not letting the cats out means they didn't prop a door open.
A week ago, a dremel had gone missing. I was using it out on my front 'porch' thing to cut some pipe and that was the last day I saw it. I dunno if I lost it (possible) or if left out front and some kid walked off with it, or if someone snagged it from inside the house while eyeballing stuff. The latter seems most likely 'in hind site'. Which means it's possible someone was in the house to eyeball everything once before coming back later to actually do the thieving ?
I would think that your homeowners's insurance policy should cover at least part of that. Most will up to a certain limit, though you may be close to that point.
Rental, and I don't believe I have renter's insurance. As mentioned above, I don't really collect stuff of value so I never gave it two thoughts. And - stuff is just stuff heh.
I've not called the place I might have insurance through yet, that'll be in a bit. Nor have I called the NRA yet.
Not what you want to hear, but home burglary, can be like a trip to the salad bar.
I've moved what few things of value I do have to an alternate location now (not at home). A few things from when my mom passed, etc.
This includes all of my reloading gear, brass, powder, and primers. Left the lead at home though heh. I'll also be moving within the month (I hope). Either another apartment or renting a full house, or finally buying a house :D.
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Folks that know I have guns:
Coworkers (6-10 folks). Trust them.
Two best friends a few blocks away. Trust them.
Ex-girlfriend and her family. They're good folks / trust them.
Immediate neighbors: gun cases when going to range are hard to miss.
I've showed and telled for two neighbors about a year ago. Both of them I trust.
Another neighbor is more interested in getting drunk than anything else.
Upstairs neighbors: haven't really said more than 6 words to them in the year they've been there (I'm rarely home at same time they are)... but they're nice enough I suppose.
The last "neighbor" diagonal across street is a house full of folks, and don't trust them one bit. At all.
SemperFiGuy. trust him :D
All of y'all - but y'all dunno where I live :D.
edit yet again:
This is the first robbery of my house in the 14 years I've lived here by the way. It's been a good neighborhood for the most part.
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I activated my insurance too. I have a rider with my home insurance to cover most of mine.
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Only person to have been in my house other than me in the past 12 months was an MUD guy doing a survey for gas line work they're in the middle of doing right now.
That you know of.... Think 6 degrees of separation. You know the neighbors have had access for the breaker boxes. They may have never gone past the box but they also may have been observed by others going in your back door. If they have kids - kids talk... Kids may have gone in the door because they saw mom/dad do it - found they safe and told their friends who have older siblings that might be interested in things like that. A little observation and they know your work routine, that you leave and come back at regular times? Now they have a timeline of how long they can stay in the apartment without you coming home.
I had a burglary in 1999 in which I lost 6 guns. To this day, I believe a friend of my son had some link to the theft. Either direct or indirect. Son had told him that I bought him a new shotgun for his birthday and I kept it locked in a safe. He also shared that we were going on vacation. Less than 24 hrs after we left Omaha, someone kicked in the front door and were in the house for quite a while. Long enough to find the safe and then get tools from the garage and pry the door open using crowbars and 8# sledges....
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Only person to have been in my house other than me in the past 12 months was an MUD guy doing a survey for gas line work they're in the middle of doing right now.
That you know of.... Think 6 degrees of separation.
Upstairs neighbors telling someone or something, maybe. Dunno.
One of the neighbors I trust that did show a couple firearms to a year ago is the talkative type.
So in general, possibly.
Started looking at houses. Louisville has a house I could like. Valley has a cabin (or basically just a cabin) that would suit my "im sick of neighbors" just fine heh. Plattsmouth has a few houses as does Murray.
Started look at apartment complexes as a temporary move in thing while I get finances in order for buying a house. Gotta be able to do pets and possibly offer shorter terms. Hoping to move out into an apartment complex in 3 weeks or so.
Blah blah blah.
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LET IT BE KNOWN TO EVERYONE THIS LIST OF THINGS.
I NEVER GO TO NFOA MEETINGS, COFFEES OR SUCH.
I HAVE MULTIPLE SAFES IN SCATTERED LOCATIONS
I HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM SOUROUNDING ALL MY SAFES
HALF MY SAFES ARE EMPTY
I DRIVE DIFFERENT VEHICLES, AND MY COMINGS AND GOING ARE ALWAYS AT DIFFERENT TIMES
I ADVISE OTHERS TO ALWAYS TRY NEVER TO USE DEADLY FORCE, EXCEPT IN LAST RESORT INSTANCES, IN CASE OF LIFE, LIMB, KIDNAPPING, OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.
I SELDOM LISTEN TO MY OWN ADVICE
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LET IT BE KNOWN TO EVERYONE THIS LIST OF THINGS.
I NEVER GO TO NFOA MEETINGS, COFFEES OR SUCH.
I HAVE MULTIPLE SAFES IN SCATTERED LOCATIONS
I HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM SOUROUNDING ALL MY SAFES
HALF MY SAFES ARE EMPTY
I DRIVE DIFFERENT VEHICLES, AND MY COMINGS AND GOING ARE ALWAYS AT DIFFERENT TIMES
I ADVISE OTHERS TO ALWAYS TRY NEVER TO USE DEADLY FORCE, EXCEPT IN LAST RESORT INSTANCES, IN CASE OF LIFE, LIMB, KIDNAPPING, OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.
I SELDOM LISTEN TO MY OWN ADVICE
Actually, folks posting on facebook their regular schedule ... is... erf.
Or when they go on vacation.
Etc.
:)
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Actually, folks posting on facebook their regular schedule ... is... erf.
Or when they go on vacation.
Etc.
:)
This is only one of the many reasons that I loathe Facebook.
Fly
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Started looking at houses. Louisville has a house I could like.
...which will put you right next to the Eastern Nebraska Gun Club....
:)
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...which will put you right next to the Eastern Nebraska Gun Club....
:)
Heh. Like it even more :D
I got a call from OPD today to cover any missing info etc. Nice folks, but mentioned not a lot to go on in my case.
Been eyeballing dirt cheap places as well. Ruled out a few, etc.
Basically, rent with 2 kitties would be expensive ._. ... a low end house would do me just fine heh.
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Actually, I've applied for an apartment complex in the La Vista area.
Figured the rush to buy a house under duress would be a bad idea. 12 month lease and it will put a cramp on SCIENCE'ing due to the nature of apartment complexes.
I'll have to buy some throw rugs or something ... and do any of the more 'interesting' SCIENCE at work heh. I'm sure sitting on a balcony melting lead would be frowned upon :D.
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Might be of use for the future,. Went to Menards in Bellevue yesterday looking for a gunsafe. I have a gun cabinet, like the sort that Unfy had. Was looking at one for by Stackon for $433 when the salesman pointed out that they still had a few of the Christmas special $299, 18 gun specials left. I noe have one of those. The price dropped to $ 279, $298 and change with tax and they had about 6 left when I left. There was 5 in the Council Bluffs store and no others in the Omaha area. If anyone wants one, better jump now!!! They won't last long!!
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For an actual safe - I'd suggest... wait for it... an actual safe.
Something about the size of 2 chest of drawers back to back and weighs 500lbs or more. I'm also not a huge fan of electric security myself... but I'm sure others here might know better.
For what it's worth, my 10 gun stackon came from Menards Bellevue about a year ago :D.
Dunno what I think of the little 250-300lb stackons mentioned by greybeard.
Move in next week! Yay!
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A week ago, a dremel had gone missing. I was using it out on my front 'porch' thing to cut some pipe and that was the last day I saw it. I dunno if I lost it (possible) or if left out front and some kid walked off with it, or if someone snagged it from inside the house while eyeballing stuff. The latter seems most likely 'in hind site'. Which means it's possible someone was in the house to eyeball everything once before coming back later to actually do the thieving ?
Said Dremel was found. Yup, just lost it in my living room. It was hiding next to an air compressor and blended in.
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Said Dremel was found. Yup, just lost it in my living room. It was hiding next to an air compressor and blended in.
Well, why not... Doesn't everyone has an Air Compressor in their living room. Easy to miss a little Dremel.....
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Said Dremel was found. Yup, just lost it in my living room. It was hiding next to an air compressor and blended in.
Well, why not... Doesn't everyone has an Air Compressor in their living room. Easy to miss a little Dremel.....
It's all Because unfy doesn't have minions
I keep telling unfy he needs minions! :P :laugh: ;D
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Wow. Scary stuff. So sorry to read about your misfortune.
It is a very difficult thing to get over knowing someone was in your house.
I hope you get at least some of your items back. I know 2 others who have had firearms stolen over the years and the rate of return is almost nil unless you get very lucky.
Thanks also for the tip about the NRA insurance. I didn't realize I had to activate it. Activated now. I'll let my son to know to activate his also.
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Old thread is old.
Tomorrow I'll go take possession of a subpoena from Douglas County in regards to State of NE vs some guy. I hope this is related to the firearms and they've recovered some, if not all, of them.
crossing fingers
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We'll say an extra prayer for ya.
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They indeed recovered one of the firearms. Not the S&W 357mag, sadly -- but the Stoeger Coach.
Yay!
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I had gone home around 2AM Friday morning and noticed police kinda looking for stuff etc near the northbound onramp to 75/kennedy from cornhusker. I debated stopping and offering to help if they needed extra man power - but a cruiser pulled up so things seemed fine and I drove on.
Fast forward to tonight (Friday night) ... OWH news article:
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/arrested-after-shot-heard-near-bellevue-restaurant/article_152cd0b4-c145-11e5-9d1f-0ff721c92b3d.html (http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/arrested-after-shot-heard-near-bellevue-restaurant/article_152cd0b4-c145-11e5-9d1f-0ff721c92b3d.html)
Gun shot, Golden Corral, no one injured, etc. They were doing some searching ...
Officers found a shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle hidden behind a trash bin and a handgun that had been thrown into a ditch.
.... and from my initial post of this thread (emphasis added) ....
Stack on safe - cheap black ten gun
Win mod 94 30-30 s#6061146
Marlin 981T 22lr s#91676762
Mossy 500 Persuader 12 ga pistol grip only s#t307154
Stoeger Coach 12ga s#639530-10 - recovered!
Richland Arms 10ga side by side s#50908
S&W 686 357mag revolver s#dcn7188
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At first I was like:
(http://www.fourletternerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Picard.jpg)
But then I was like:
(https://alphasignalfive.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/picard-happy.jpeg)
I'll bug either the Bellevue PD or Omaha PD over the weekend or Monday :D
Coincidentally - I may be able to pick up the Stoeger from Sarpy County in 2-3 weeks! Yay!
some edits for grammar etc
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I'll bug either the Bellevue PD or Omaha PD over the weekend or Monday :D
Coincidentally - I may be able to pick up the Stoeger from Sarpy County in 2-3 weeks! Yay!
Finally got in contact with the Bellevue PD. Nope, the firearms weren't mine :(. Sgt Milos was friendly.
Haven't heard anything about picking up the stoeger yet. I'll bug Sarpy County again in a day or two.
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Sorry to hear your hopes got let down :( Keep nagging! It was good to finally meet you at the NFOA breakfast. See you next time
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Interesting post, I just purchased a safe from Nebraska Furniture Mart and trying to decide if its worth it.
Its the stack on Elite 24. Weighs over 450 lbs. and at $800 its some security and value. They deliver this week and I am considering cancelling it.
After watching you tube, I realize someone who really wants in and has some time with it will get into it simply with a couple crow bars. But its not something they are going to be able to just steal.
I started looking at what a "Real safe" is and realized to get something secure in that same size Ill be in the 2500 to 5000 range. That's a lot of guns right there. Probably 50% of what I have invested.
I am trying to decide if a $150 gun cabinet is just as good as this safe. But given what happened to you I think I realize they aren't going to just pick up and take a 450lb safe very easily.
Ahh the illusion of security.
Sorry to hear about your loss. Your not at fault, you could have spent 1K on a safe like I did and have this happen anyways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ViUdd-2LM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ViUdd-2LM)
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Interesting post, I just purchased a safe from Nebraska Furniture Mart and trying to decide if its worth it.
Its the stack on Elite 24. Weighs over 450 lbs. and at $800 its some security and value. They deliver this week and I am considering cancelling it.
After watching you tube, I realize someone who really wants in and has some time with it will get into it simply with a couple crow bars. But its not something they are going to be able to just steal.
I started looking at what a "Real safe" is and realized to get something secure in that same size Ill be in the 2500 to 5000 range. That's a lot of guns right there. Probably 50% of what I have invested.
I am trying to decide if a $150 gun cabinet is just as good as this safe. But given what happened to you I think I realize they aren't going to just pick up and take a 450lb safe very easily.
Ahh the illusion of security.
Sorry to hear about your loss. Your not at fault, you could have spent 1K on a safe like I did and have this happen anyways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ViUdd-2LM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ViUdd-2LM)
as far as a heavy safe being better , I have read many stories over the years, of people running a tow truck cable thru a window, even into the basement and just pulling the safe thru the wall, then just tarp it up on the sling and carry it away,
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I am trying to decide if a $150 gun cabinet is just as good as this safe.
Just throwing my .02 in here....there is more to consider than just theft prevention when it comes to safes. If you have some hefty valued items/items of personal sentimental value/etc. you may want to consider investing in a quality fire-proof safe. Yes, they are expensive, but some items acquired over a lifetime can never be replaced....so, please reconsider is $150 really good enough? I don't have one...yet...but the plan is in the works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCJzV8n4jU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCJzV8n4jU)
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$150 is not enough, my question though is the $850 safe really much better ($700 better)? Both can be broken into.
My daughter hangs with the rougher crowds. My goal is to keep a couple teenage boys who may have a few hours in my house away from my valuables.
A $150 cabinet can be broken into with a couple large screwdrivers but is a $850 safe going to keep them out?
They aren't going to be able to steal It very easily that's for sure.
Just throwing my .02 in here....there is more to consider than just theft prevention when it comes to safes. If you have some hefty valued items/items of personal sentimental value/etc. you may want to consider investing in a quality fire-proof safe. Yes, they are expensive, but some items acquired over a lifetime can never be replaced....so, please reconsider is $150 really good enough? I don't have one...yet...but the plan is in the works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCJzV8n4jU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCJzV8n4jU)
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In my area that would attract a lot of attention. At that point they are probably willing to hold me at gun or knife point and make me unlock it.
No safe protects against that.
as far as a heavy safe being better , I have read many stories over the years, of people running a tow truck cable thru a window, even into the basement and just pulling the safe thru the wall, then just tarp it up on the sling and carry it away,
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as far as a heavy safe being better , I have read many stories over the years, of people running a tow truck cable thru a window, even into the basement and just pulling the safe thru the wall, then just tarp it up on the sling and carry it away,
Thus the reason it is highly recommended bolting the safe to the floor
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Frankly,any safe can be gotten into given enough time.I think layers of security need to be used,monitored security systems,motion lights outside,notifying trusted neighbors when your gone for an extended period of time,etc.Nothing is 100% but the more layers you have,the better your chances. FWIW--Mike.
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$150 is not enough, my question though is the $850 safe really much better ($700 better)? Both can be broken into.
My daughter hangs with the rougher crowds. My goal is to keep a couple teenage boys who may have a few hours in my house away from my valuables.
A $150 cabinet can be broken into with a couple large screwdrivers but is a $850 safe going to keep them out?
They aren't going to be able to steal It very easily that's for sure.
What You have to realize first here .....is a Lock will only keep an "honest person" honest. :o
That being said .....if they want in they Will get in (Period). :(
All you can do is to make it harder for them to do so.
And too also slow them down as much as possible while doing it.
So you have to look at the $800 Vs. the $150 with those items above in mind.
Also remember that $150 cabinet is most likely light enough one person could pick it up
and carry it quickly away (even if it's full loaded) the $800 one....not so much.
Most thief's will avoid the $800 safe but would quickly and readily attack the $150 cabinet .
The reason being...that one takes longer then the other to open and it isn't worth their time (unless they can quickly remove it and take it some where else so they can take their time to open it).
( Or you were Stupid enough to leave the Key or Code to said Safe where it can be readily found).
And most will tell you that TIME is not their friend
Good luck with what ever you decide.
By the way ...I own one of the $800 dollar ones my self. ;D
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I remember years ago seeing an ad in Shotgun News for a boobytrap tear gas device that would fill an area with tear gas when a tripline was activated. It could be rigged up to a door, drawer, window, etc., as well as an actual tripline. I don't know if such a thing is still available but it should be easy to rig one up with a can of pepper spray and a weight that can set down on the button when a trigger is activated. The Black Book of Boobytraps from Delta Press has a lot of information on rigging and triggering that can be adapted to tear gas or pepper spray.
That kind of thing could have a deterrent effect, and be another level of safety between your guns and a thief, in addition to whatever else you use. I'd use the pepper spray that includes identifying dye. Boobytraps are generally illegal but I'm not sure about one that activates tear gas. Might set you up for a lawsuit I suppose. I'd check with a lawyer before setting one, and he'll probably tell you not to do it.
The same kind of thing can be done with something that makes noise, flashing lights, or anything that might run a thief off.
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I remember years ago seeing an ad in Shotgun News for a boobytrap tear gas device that would fill an area with tear gas when a tripline was activated. It could be rigged up to a door, drawer, window, etc., as well as an actual tripline. I don't know if such a thing is still available but it should be easy to rig one up with a can of pepper spray and a weight that can set down on the button when a trigger is activated. The Black Book of Boobytraps from Delta Press has a lot of information on rigging and triggering that can be adapted to tear gas or pepper spray.
Current, similar product....
http://www.burglarbomb.com/ (http://www.burglarbomb.com/)
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Wrote this several years ago when I was looking at safes. A K-12 saw will eat through anything though.
Did a lot of research on safes. The following are my findings:
- Don't buys safes from Mexico or foreign countries. Liberty, Canon and Fort Knox (there may be more but these are the ones I'm most familiar with) are made in U.S.A.
- Fire rating should be longer than how fast the fire dept. can respond to your house + 30 min. just in case they are on another call. And at least 95,000 btu's. The bottom line is to make sure that the interior of the safe stays as cool as possible.
- Locking bolts should be at least 1 1/8 in dia. on all four sides. Some expensive safes have locking bolts on the corners also since that is the weakest part of a safe.
- Hinges should be on the outside (door open wider), a common statement is than the BG's can cut the hinges. Don't think so. First off, the BG time is limited so they need to bring a portable torch or saws all and 2nd the longer throw of bolts and pry guards on the safe will make the BG life harder.
- Should have interior lighting and humidity control.
- Guns procreate so get a safe 1 and 1/2 times of your long guns.
- The safe should be bolted down (either floor or wall). That way the bad guys can't tip it over for easier access or remove it from the home. Not in the garage. In the basement out of view.
- The better safes have 11 gauge sheet metal or thicker ( lower number is thicker)
- Electronic vs Dial - mixed emotions on that one, but get the brand should be Sargent and Greenleaf (they make the best locks).
- Place a "Black Powder Inside" label on the safe even though you don't have any. The BG don't know either.
- Buy the best safe you can afford.
- Have them deliver and install the safe. Might cost a couple hundred more, but to me it's worth it. That way I don't have to visit the back cracker. Not curbside. Good safes weigh 800 lbs +, plus they do that for a living.
Can't think of anything else worth noting.
Bernie
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Great info! I had been doing a little research and found some of the info, but I really appreciate the additional tidbits.
Based on your comment about installation (I was thinking the same thing) it would be better to get the safe through a safe company than through the local bulk stores (Cabelas, Scheels), correct?
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Hey, guys. First post (I lurk a lot, but this is the first topic I think I have something to add to).
Another thing to think of is locating the safe in a location where the space works to your advantage by denying a thief leverage. I've seen safes installed in a recessed space just wide enough for the safe, or in a corner with the left side butted up against a solid wall and a heavy cabinet that protrudes farther than the safe on the right side, which limits the traveling distance a crowbar has. I imagine you could do something similar by placing it at the back of a narrow or walk-in closet. Granted these require some planning (the ones I'm familiar with were done as part of a house renovation) and it prevents the door from opening more than 90 degrees.
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I've seen these in person and they are what they say they are. The next safe I buy will be from here. http://www.armoryexpressoutlet.com/SAFES--VAULTS-CUSTOM-CLICK-HERE_c_226.html (http://www.armoryexpressoutlet.com/SAFES--VAULTS-CUSTOM-CLICK-HERE_c_226.html)
They are not cheap, but they are excellent investments than can be passed on to family members some day.
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If a good safe weighs 800 pounds or more and being filled with guns I suppose could bump it up even more, is there any risk that a floor might collapse under it? Maybe someone here knows more than I do about how much weight a typical floor can safely hold. And how about nontypical floors? Is there a code on how much weight a floor is supposed to be able to hold? Just a few things to consider. A basement floor would be ideal, but not everyone has that option.
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I guess it's been too long since I've logged in here - didn't realize there were replies. Oops.
As for an update to the Stoeger that was recovered...
The Bellevue PD has it. I've been in contact with Sgt. Milos etc. Friendly guy.
Apparently being able to produce a receipt / other paper work speeds up the process of getting the firearm returned to you. While digging through my firebox, I have been unable to find stuff... willing to bet it was a thermal paper receipt that just faded to white over the years. The fact that other things appear to be missing from the fire safe is very annoying and entirely my fault. Grrrr.
I had bought it from Cabelas, and you can get copies of paper work from them. Need to talk to the NICS counter by the firearm counter. Their ATF Administrator (or some title along those lines) will need to be there and they will be able to pull the information for you. When I went this morning (been a busy time at work lately), she was not there today, etc. It was suggested to call in advance so things can be prepared and make sure she's there etc.
$150 safe vs bigger.
My "safe" was a cheap stackon gun cabinet. It'd keep the curious and little hands out of it, but obviously was no good as a 'safe'.
Safes are all about 'time' or discouragement.
The bigger, the heavier, the more obtuse - the better.
Lets say I had my cabinet bolted to the floor and wall. A $5-$10 pry bar would have still either gotten the cabinet open or the cabinet removed from it's anchors.
For use as a safe, go big and heavy.
Boobytraps.
NO NO NO NO NO
Boobytraps are legal suicide.
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Apparently the Marlin 22 rifle showed up at a pawn shop here in Bellevue, NE.
Now - interestingly enough - I apparently am going to have to pay the pawn shop for what they have into the gun. That's a bit confusing ... it's stolen property, etc.... wtf...
Anyway, if it's in decent shape and the pawn shop doesn't want much for it, it'll come home with me.
If anything, it'd be a conversation piece ?
They tracked down the guy that sold it to the pawn shop, got him before a judge - claims he didn't know it was stolen property and that's the end of it for that story. Oh well.
2 down!
\o/
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Seems weird to me that you would have to pay the pawn shop for your own rifle. You'd think any dealer buying a used gun would be expected to make sure it was not listed as stolen. Can a dealer sell a gun he knows is reported as stolen?
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Seems weird to me that you would have to pay the pawn shop for your own rifle. You'd think any dealer buying a used gun would be expected to make sure it was not listed as stolen. Can a dealer sell a gun he knows is reported as stolen?
See, that's my understanding as it is everywhere (varies by state it seems). So I'm confused about this.
Now if he's not asking much, I'll pay it as a 'thank you'. Good faith and all that.
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Oh yes.
Something of interest.
NE Treasury unclaimed property search.
Put in your name.
https://treasurer.nebraska.gov/up/
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See, that's my understanding as it is everywhere (varies by state it seems). So I'm confused about this.
Now if he's not asking much, I'll pay it as a 'thank you'. Good faith and all that.
that is so the pawn shops are not out money , you have to buy it for the same $ amount they paid
now if they can find out who sold it to the pawn shop you may get closer to finding out who stole it ..
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that is so the pawn shops are not out money , you have to buy it for the same $ amount they paid
now if they can find out who sold it to the pawn shop you may get closer to finding out who stole it ..
They did find the guy, didn't know it was stolen - don't have any more details there in. Oh well.
Attached should be a pic of it.
It went from being a near safe queen to having been in the back of someone's truck. Seems functional for the most part, not sure about the ejector clips/springs though.
Has some surface rust, inside the barrel looks good. Gonna prolly wanna put a small scope on it or something.
It's home. Yay.
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When the pawn shop sold it back to you did they not know it was stolen at that time?
Seems like knowingly selling a stolen gun would be illegal regardless of the buyer
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Oh yes.
Something of interest.
NE Treasury unclaimed property search.
Put in your name.
https://treasurer.nebraska.gov/up/
thanks for the link !! i found my name and my dads name checks in the mail .. lol
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When the pawn shop sold it back to you did they not know it was stolen at that time?
Seems like knowingly selling a stolen gun would be illegal regardless of the buyer
It's.... weird.
Pawn shops, being a merchandise business... has ... weird laws.
Some jurisdictions - they have to return the property free of charge. Others, you have to reimburse them what they paid, etc.
I believe in Douglas county or maybe just Omaha - they would have had to return the firearm to me (or maybe the police would have been in custody of it, and I'd get it from them etc).
I dunno - but the officer I talked to that told me it was at the pawn shop said I was gonna have to pay to get it back.
edit: cleared up the omaha/douglas county grammar
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Stoeger Shotgun retrieved from Bellevue PD!
Thank you to Sgt. Milos and the rest of the Bellevue PD!
Took about 8 months after trial/sentencing to get it back, but it's home now \o/
**** YOU TO THE KIDS / ASSHOLES THAT STOLE IT
They sawed off the stock to make it more pistol grip. Leaving the tension rod hanging out the back. ****ERS
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Did they saw off the barrel?
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Did they saw off the barrel?
Barrel looks to have remained the same (20"), and OAL looks to be legal as well (it's currently around 28"). When I saw it, I did ask the Sgt if it was still legal for me to take possession of it (how short it was etc)... he seemed fine with it. When I got the weapon to work, I grabbed a tape measure.
Still really annoyed about the moron that took a saw to the stock.
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Barrel looks to have remained the same (20"), and OAL looks to be legal as well (it's currently around 28"). When I saw it, I did ask the Sgt if it was still legal for me to take possession of it (how short it was etc)... he seemed fine with it. When I got the weapon to work, I grabbed a tape measure.
Still really annoyed about the moron that took a saw to the stock.
Gorilla Glue maybe? :o
At least you got it back
Can you take that guy that pawned the other one to Small Claims Court ?
And maybe get back what they paid him for it when he pawned it ?
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A LOT of people, and thieves, have this entitlement attitude: What theirs is theirs, what's yours is their as well.
It's being taught by the PC crowd as a way of setting up dialectical materialism.
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Gorilla Glue maybe? :o
At least you got it back
Can you take that guy that pawned the other one to Small Claims Court ?
And maybe get back what they paid him for it when he pawned it ?
I'm not gonna bother with the small claims court for the cost of the returned 22 rifle. ($60, which is prolly more than what it's worth heh).
As far as the Stoeger's problem, they cut out an entire middle portion of the stock, no way to glue it back or anything (and that middle portion is missing, as is the butt "plate").
I'll send Stoeger an email explaining the situation. Maybe they'll have a stock I can buy or otherwise.
I'll also need to look into mounting new sites on the 22 lr. It's a Marlin 981T. The existing hard sights are a no go (at least, the rear site is). I'm up for any suggestions.
edit: typos & clarification
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I can't believe they made you pay to get your gun back. That's a load of bull. That can't possibly be the law.
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I can't believe they made you pay to get your gun back. That's a load of bull. That can't possibly be the law.
Depends on the county here in NE.
In Douglas, the OPD would have confiscated the firearm from the pawn shop and returned it to me.
In Sarpy, it's up to me to go get the firearm from the pawn shop and reimburse them what they had into it.
Lets say the police take it and return it to me. The pawn shop just got screwed out of the money they paid for the gun. The pawn shop did NOTHING wrong.
Lets say I have to go reimburse the pawn shop for the gun. I just got screwed by having to pay for what was already rightfully mine. I've done NOTHING wrong.
In either situation, someone gets screwed. I can see both sides of the fence, whatever.
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Depends on the county here in NE.
In Douglas, the OPD would have confiscated the firearm from the pawn shop and returned it to me.
In Sarpy, it's up to me to go get the firearm from the pawn shop and reimburse them what they had into it.
Lets say the police take it and return it to me. The pawn shop just got screwed out of the money they paid for the gun. The pawn shop did NOTHING wrong.
Lets say I have to go reimburse the pawn shop for the gun. I just got screwed by having to pay for what was already rightfully mine. I've done NOTHING wrong.
In either situation, someone gets screwed. I can see both sides of the fence, whatever.
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Pawn shops know that there is a real possibility that the goods peddled to them are stolen. I think that they should be prepared to give up anything that is PROVEN stolen to stay within the law. If they lose property that they buy because it was found to be stolen, they have greater interest in staying honest.
How does someone pawn a firearm with a stolen serial number anyway?
If you went in and "stole" your firearm back, how could you be convicted?
How could a business owner sell you back what he knows is yours with a clear conscious?
I wonder if several people contacted the business with questions such as these if they would be compelled to do what everyone knows would be the right thing.