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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: huskergun on February 04, 2010, 05:19:37 PM
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What the hell are they expecting a freakin army. This is outragous
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http://www.omaha.com/article/20100204/NEWS01/702049857/1009/news01
Grand Island school board..308-383-5900
Grand Island Senior High school...308-383-5583
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This is crazy....
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That Muzzle is Definitely NOT Pointed in a Safe Direction!!
Not on that Tiled Concrete Surface.
Shots Would Rickershay for About an Hour.
And.......He's the MEANEST LOOKIN' HALL MONITOR I EVER DID SEE!!
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I disagree. This is not crazy. And an AR15 is not an assault rifle. Its just a rifle that looks scary to the timid.
Your falling into the same black-gun fear as the pinko liberal media.
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I tend to agree w/ akclark given the circumstances of why law enforcement was there in the first place. Assuming that the LEO is highly trained, I think it was a good idea to have a visible presence.
That Muzzle is Definitely NOT Pointed in a Safe Direction!!
Not on that Tiled Concrete Surface.
Shots Would Rickershay for About an Hour[/shadow]
For the sake of learning, how else would the LEO position the AR?
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It is just a show of intimidation, has no place in a school. This is just another reason the kids are growing up anti-gun. Forcing the sheeple to believe that guns are bad and only police shoud have them. All show and nothing else. A pathetic demonstration by the GI law enforcement, the local government, and the school system.
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I just think the AR was a lil much, A couple uniformed, armed officers (even if he was only carrying a 'block' on his hip) would have been plenty. IMO
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For the sake of learning, how else would the LEO position the AR?
How about Slung on his back. No need for the poorly executed SUL position. It is hardly an active shooter or a CQB situation during the photo op.
I have no issue with he presence of the rifle, just the faux "show of force" the picture is trying to convey.
It would be much like a CHP holder walking around the grocery store with a pistol at low ready... there could be a threat, who knows?
Hell, even an honor guard carries rifles. The mere presence of the rifle in a school doesn't bother me at all
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I disagree. This is not crazy. And an AR15 is not an assault rifle. Its just a rifle that looks scary to the timid.
Your falling into the same black-gun fear as the pinko liberal media.
I agree with you 100%. The PoPo had the evidence their was a threat of retalitation for a shooting. They had to be there in case those threats were acted upon. If they only carried their glock 22s, and the gang bangers brought AKs, we would be all over them for not having enough gun to stop the threat and save lives. The mere presence of that modern sporting rifle may have stop any retaliation that day and in the days ahead.
I do think the rifle should have been slung over his back, or in a single point sling pointing down, not across the hallway where kids are walking.
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I am 100% w/ Mr. Barry on this one. I appreciate the LEO's stepping up and being ready, the downside is people's negative reaction, the upside is they were ready for any threat. Agree that they don't get style points. We should be supporting law enforcement and their choice to confront bad guys w/ force and not taking a chance with children's lives.
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The presence of firearms on school grounds does not bother me. It happens every day with the officers who are assigned to each school and (though not visible) with all the CHP holders who are now allowed to drive onto the school property to pick up their kids.
The problem is that this image will re-enforce the anti-gunners stance. Guns in society=kids bringing guns to school=our children having to go to school with the threat of guns pointed at them. To an anti, the image of a weapon not slung over the shoulder or holstered implies a greater threat. Also, the sight of an EBR is disconcerting since everyone knows they are more deadly than those hunting type firearms (Yes...that is sarcasm). The photo was likely taken during a brief time when such weapons were in the school, but it may make people think the school is in permanent lock-down.
Fly
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I'm going to disagree with some of the posters here. What would happen if the rifle was slung, and some idiot youth attempted to snag it? A long gun is more defensible in the hands from a grab attempt. The particular sling on that rifle did not lend itself to being slung while the rifle is in hand.
The officer's trigger finger is in proper register on the frame. I am curious about his support hand, however. Is he perhaps covering an empty mag well? I don't see how a 20 or 30 round mag can be inserted with his hand like that. Having said that, it would not bother me if I did see a full sized magazine loaded. The story says that they had specific threat indicators. Most school hallways are pretty damn long for pistol shots with a bunch of no-shoots running amok. I'd be more upset if he was sporting a shotgun.....just because it would not be the appropriate weapon for the task at hand.
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As my thought on this is that if the.... so called threat was sufficent to bear arm then the school day should have been suspended, until the matter could be investigated properly and deemed false or true, I send my daughter to a christian school no police presence and glad I do having police at the school is BS as far as I believe. Not that I am anti-gun but just thinking Its too much for school I can not believe the young people of today are so different than when I was growing up only that we respected the authortities and adults not to say we were mindless but knew where we stood in hte scheme of things. And if today adult were more inclined to instill character in the kids then we would be better off not to say I didn't do things but 1/2 the time I just didn't get caught and when I did I knew the price I would pay...so I stand firm if the threat is to be real then different venues should be follower and know this just because you see a GUN in school doesn't mean something won't happen it is just an EXTREME idea to simply resolve to a unknown rumor.....
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Like the police are going to open fire in a crowded school. Although the threat was not a joke, the show was. There was NO reason to give the kids a false sense of security in the school. If the threat was that great, the school should have been shut down until it was over, you don't go putting my kids in danger just to show off! Just one step closer to a total police state.
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I got not problem with protecting our children at all. There has not been a student hurt in a school fire in probably 40yrs, they have drills, alarms, practice what to do in a fire, but in regards to school shootings which happens all the time we might put one fat resource officer in a school who can run scared ****less outside like in the Columbine shooting. Europe has police in the schoools and police with machineguns walking the airports. We don't value our children enough to protect them to that extent. I bet where ever President Obama's children attend school there are machineguns present.
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I tend to agree w/ akclark given the circumstances of why law enforcement was there in the first place. Assuming that the LEO is highly trained, I think it was a good idea to have a visible presence.
That Muzzle is Definitely NOT Pointed in a Safe Direction!!
Not on that Tiled Concrete Surface.
Shots Would Rickershay for About an Hour[/shadow]
For the sake of learning, how else would the LEO position the AR?
Why was he there in the first place? I can't seem to find that out. And for the sake of education, Why not point it at the ceiling with the bullet in his pocket like Barney Fife. AND, I thought there was a law "no firearms within 500 ft of a school." I didn't realize they inserted unless you are a cop into the law. Why not have a dog? Nobody screws with my German police dog. She also doesn't go off accidently like the sniper cops rifle did.
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Want a little dose of reality about school violence, read Terror at Beslan.
http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Beslan-Russian-Tragedy-Americas/dp/0976775301
Many experts agree that this type of attack will happen in the U.S. The author recomends the type of security you see in that picture as the only way to defend against it. Obviously this wasnt a threat of terrorism, but a credible threat nonetheless.
And as for how the officer is holding his weapon he is doing nothing wrong. A sling is for getting the weapon out of your hands so you can use them. In this situation it should be in his hands.
It seem that the critics of how this "looks" or how it makes kids "feel" will be the first to cry "someone should have done something!!" after the fact.
- Shawn
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I thought there was a law "no firearms within 500 ft of a school." I didn't realize they inserted unless you are a cop into the law
That law would be wrong, so while I support everyone having a gun at school, that has to include cops.
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I thought there was a law "no firearms within 500 ft of a school." I didn't realize they inserted unless you are a cop into the law
That law would be wrong, so while I support everyone having a gun at school, that has to include cops.
If you want to change the law I'll back you 100%! But the law is the law now for everybody, no exceptions for police.
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Im not going to do your research for you but any "law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity" can carry a firearm into a school gun free zone.
- Shawn
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not to mention that NE CCW permit holders can have our concealed handgun in our vehicle while in the parking lot of a "school gun-free zone".
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not to mention that NE CCW permit holders can have our concealed handgun in our vehicle while in the parking lot of a "school gun-free zone".
I was wondering about that, does this include Elementary schools? It seems that at the time, folks were talkin more about colleges. And can state law trump a Federal law? I am asking because my kids are sorta getting tired of walking all the way to the street and halfway down the block because " daddy can't park in the school parking lot" ;) :(
How would I find the written law? As they school in Omahorn, I want to be sure it's all on paper.
Also on school violence and Russia, LT. COL. Dave Grossman once had either a video interview or article about this very subject. For the life of me i can't find it now, but the basic point was that the terror in Russia was basically a "dress rehearsal" for terror attacks in our American schools. If anyone else can find this article or video, it's very eye opening!
Although I till think GIPD might have been 'showboating' a bit, I DO think we need to step up security in our schools. My kids have been moved thru quite a few schools systems(ex likes to move), and for the most part I have been able to walk into any of them and roam around looking for either the bathroom or the office, without any faculty questioning me.
Most have a sign on the door stating that all visitors must report to the office and sign in for a badge. They also have cameras, but I'm not for sure who is watching them. I believe our school officials mean well, but I sometimes worry about it all.
I have wondered of late, if the school boards would be interested in volunteer security in the schools, such as CHP holders with some extra training, such is offer by places such as D-TAC, and others. As I work nights, I would happily do this a few hours a day, maybe early morning and dismissal time. And feild trips, especially. All plain clothed and concealed, of course, so as not to alarm the sheep. I'm not for sure about Nebraska, but in Kansas , as I understand it, faculty can carry if it is authorized by the school board. Just not sure how to approach the subject and with whom.
Sorry for ramblin, but sometimes my soap box needs danced on. And I have a habit of thinking out loud.
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Here is the answer to LEOs carrying on school grounds...
28-1204.04. Unlawful possession of a firearm at a school; penalty; exceptions; confiscation of certain firearms; disposition.
(1) Any person who possesses a firearm in a school, on school grounds, in a school-owned vehicle, or at a school-sponsored activity or athletic event is guilty of the offense of unlawful possession of a firearm at a school. Unlawful possession of a firearm at a school is a Class IV felony. This subsection shall not apply to (a) the issuance of firearms to or possession by members of the armed forces of the United States, active or reserve, National Guard of this state, or Reserve Officers Training Corps or peace officers or other duly authorized law enforcement officers when on duty or training, (b) firearms which may lawfully be possessed by the person receiving instruction, for instruction under the immediate supervision of an adult instructor, (c) firearms which may lawfully be possessed by a member of a college or university rifle team, within the scope of such person's duties as a member of the team, (d) firearms which may lawfully be possessed by a person employed by a college or university in this state as part of an agriculture or a natural resources program of such college or university, within the scope of such person's employment, (e) firearms contained within a private vehicle operated by a nonstudent adult which are not loaded and (i) are encased or (ii) are in a locked firearm rack that is on a motor vehicle, or (f) a handgun carried as a concealed handgun by a valid holder of a permit issued under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act in a vehicle or on his or her person while riding in or on a vehicle into or onto any parking area, which is open to the public and used by a school if, prior to exiting the vehicle, the handgun is locked inside the glove box, trunk, or other compartment of the vehicle, a storage box securely attached to the vehicle, or, if the vehicle is a motorcycle, a hardened compartment securely attached to the motorcycle while the vehicle is in or on such parking area, except as prohibited by federal law. For purposes of this subsection, encased means enclosed in a case that is expressly made for the purpose of containing a firearm and that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened with no part of the firearm exposed.
And here is the law regarding CC permit holders being on school grounds with their concealed handgun...
69-2441. Permitholder; locations; restrictions; posting of prohibition; consumption of alcohol; prohibited.
(1)(a) A permitholder may carry a concealed handgun anywhere in Nebraska, except any: Police, sheriff, or Nebraska State Patrol station or office; detention facility, prison, or jail; courtroom or building which contains a courtroom; polling place during a bona fide election; meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or other political subdivision; meeting of the Legislature or a committee of the Legislature; financial institution; professional or semiprofessional athletic event; building, grounds, vehicle, or sponsored activity or athletic event of any public, private, denominational, or parochial elementary, vocational, or secondary school, a private postsecondary career school as defined in section 85-1603, a community college, or a public or private college, junior college, or university; place of worship; hospital, emergency room, or trauma center; political rally or fundraiser; establishment having a license issued under the Nebraska Liquor Control Act that derives over one-half of its total income from the sale of alcoholic liquor; place where the possession or carrying of a firearm is prohibited by state or federal law; a place or premises where the person, persons, entity, or entities in control of the property or employer in control of the property has prohibited permitholders from carrying concealed handguns into or onto the place or premises; or into or onto any other place or premises where handguns are prohibited by state law.
(3) A permitholder carrying a concealed handgun in a vehicle or on his or her person while riding in or on a vehicle into or onto any parking area, which is open to the public, used by any location listed in subdivision (1)(a) of this section, does not violate this section if, prior to exiting the vehicle, the handgun is locked inside the glove box, trunk, or other compartment of the vehicle, a storage box securely attached to the vehicle, or, if the vehicle is a motorcycle, a hardened compartment securely attached to the motorcycle. This subsection does not apply to any parking area used by such location when the carrying of a concealed handgun into or onto such parking area is prohibited by federal law.
As far as the school security, we've got that all taken care of in Lincoln. They have hired a person to sit at the door to take names, ask your purpose for visiting, and hand out "Visitor" badges. Last time I went to my son's middle school, they did all this, but they never asked for an ID. Then I was free to roam the halls. Ok...maybe we haven't thought this out completely, but the intent is there. For those that can't tell, yes I am being sarcastic. Problem is there are plenty of parents who would buy this as an acceptable solution, but this process won't even provide the police with a valid name after the crime is committed.
Fly
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I wrote to Marty Conboy on this subject about picking up kids from school or attending school events and he wrote:
"You can have the gun in a vehicle but not outside. Ideally it would be stowed, especially if you are not in the vehicle, due to thefts at such events. If the gun remains out of sight in the vehicle, it is not in violation"
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I wrote to Marty Conboy on this subject about picking up kids from school or attending school events and he wrote:
"You can have the gun in a vehicle but not outside. Ideally it would be stowed, especially if you are not in the vehicle, due to thefts at such events. If the gun remains out of sight in the vehicle, it is not in violation"
Am I misunderstanding the law or is that a pretty liberal interpretation by Marty? It seems the intent was to have the firearm locked up (in a lock box, the trunk, glove box, etc.) even if the vehicle itself is locked. Or is the intent just to lock it in your vehicle?
Fly
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not to mention that NE CCW permit holders can have our concealed handgun in our vehicle while in the parking lot of a "school gun-free zone".
I was wondering about that, does this include Elementary schools? It seems that at the time, folks were talkin more about colleges. And can state law trump a Federal law? I am asking because my kids are sorta getting tired of walking all the way to the street and halfway down the block because " daddy can't park in the school parking lot" ;) :(
How would I find the written law? As they school in Omahorn, I want to be sure it's all on paper.
Every day I drop off or pick up kids from 3 different schools here in the Bellevue area, and I am usually armed. But I also don?t get out of the car, and have had school administrators tell me that they need to talk to me about this or that, but I tell them I can?t leave the car and why. You get some serious looks when you tell school folks these things, and I even had one run to the school resource officer to tattle. The resource officer knew better, and told her that as long as I was in my car and had a CCW there was no reason to be upset, everything was legal. The officer didn?t even come over and talk to me.
That last part kind of depressed me, I always enjoy a good conversation guns. :)
Ron