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Title: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 08, 2015, 06:11:24 PM
So got my carry permit several weeks ago and have been researching what to carry. I know I need to test funtion and all that sort. But during my reading I found some discussions on matching your personal defence ammunition with what your local department carries. So...

Does anyone know what the LPD carries?

Best Place to pick up SD ammo?

Does anyone ever buy bulk and do a group buy? A couple places online seem to have decent prices on 500 rounds of various brands with free shipping. 
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: Burkdoggy on May 08, 2015, 06:48:50 PM
The Smith & Wesson Shield is hugely popular.  I carry the 9mm version.  Very concealable.  I would say use whichever ammo functions best.  If the police ammo doesn't work for your particular firearm,  you won't have confidence in your defense tools.

Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: Dan W on May 08, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
I believe LPD officers buy their own service pistol, or at one time they did. A good friend of mine, former LPD Captain, carried a Sig .45 as his main duty firearm.

I assume they were required to stay within an approved list of pistols, but that would still allow for a lot a variety.

Decent ammo for self defense can be a bit hard to find

I have used this site many times for Speer GoldDots and Federal HST

http://www.mahsupplies.net/ (http://www.mahsupplies.net/)
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: Ronvandyn on May 08, 2015, 08:10:26 PM
I have heard these same concerns many times but to the best of my knowledge they have never been part of any court action unless the shooter was using handloads.  I carry a variety of different loads for my 40S&W, but the one thing they really have in common is that they are all professionally manufactured self-defense loads.  I DO handload, and I have never had a FTF on anything I have loaded, but I dont take chances with my carry ammo, the outcome is far to important.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 08, 2015, 08:20:34 PM
Sorry not looking so much as what firearm to carry. I have a glock 17 that I will carry. Maybe pick up something smaller in the future a maybe a 19. I've pretty much have become a glock guy :)

My questions directed to ammunition. 9mm in particular.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: farmerbob on May 08, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
Great thing about carrying Glocks is you can use your G17 mags in a G19 or G26, put X Grip sleeves on your G17 mags then you can carry a G19 or G26 for the smaller gun with the smaller mags in the gun and carry the G17 mag. with the X Grips for a 17rd. spare. mag. I would recommend the pinkie extensions for the sub compact Glock mags like the G26.

I don't think you could go wrong carrying good expanding factory ammo like Hornady critical defense, this is what I carry in my G19, I buy it at Cabela's.  I've been carrying Federal hydra-shock JHP lately in my G23 & G27. I would recommend staying away from ammo that has corrosive cases like brass. Never carry non expanding ammo due to over penetration.




Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: PC13 on May 09, 2015, 08:33:17 AM
One of the best online sources for fairly priced SD ammo.  Ordered many times from them, they are good to go. 
http://www.sgammo.com

I would personally look at Winchester SXT, Remington Golden Saber or Federal HST.   
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: RobertH on May 09, 2015, 03:57:05 PM
Stuart, have you called the LPD front desk and asked or asked to talk to an officer?  that's what I would do.  either call them or the State Patrol, since they cover the whole state.  and report you findings here.

i carry an M&P40C.  nice little gun.  i usually choose Hornady SD rounds since they are from NE.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 10, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
Stuart, have you called the LPD front desk and asked or asked to talk to an officer?  that's what I would do.  either call them or the State Patrol, since they cover the whole state.  and report you findings here.

i carry an M&P40C.  nice little gun.  i usually choose Hornady SD rounds since they are from NE.
I will try and do that this week. I texted a guy I know asking him if he knows what his wife (LPD officer) carries. See if he gets back to me or not.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: jFader on May 10, 2015, 11:37:24 PM
Whenever Law enforcement round choices are discussed, Speer Gold Dots always seem to make the list.  I have had good luck with Www.SGAmmo.Com (http://Www.SGAmmo.Com) as previously mentioned.   I haven't had any issues with the 9mm gold dots in various weights & when it's available I also buy the federal HST which is an improved version of the HydraShocks....
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: bullit on May 11, 2015, 07:10:54 AM
tstuart34 ...  at last check LPD carried Remington Golden Sabre.

For what its worth, Lancaster County SO just transitioned to Hornady Critical Duty
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: JTH on May 11, 2015, 08:07:20 AM
tstuart34 ...  at last check LPD carried Remington Golden Sabre.

For what its worth, Lancaster County SO just transitioned to Hornady Critical Duty

...and others in Nebraska use the Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot.  (Other LEO groups in the nation use Winchester Ranger-T.)  You won't go wrong with any of those from a performance perspective (actually, from what I've read, research-wise, the Golden Sabre are the worst performing of the lot, and they would be my last choice out of the above), and in any court case an opposing lawyer won't be able to make any sort of ammo argument against you due to the many law enforcement groups that use each of those.


Edited because I can't spell SPEER, apparently.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 11, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
Thank you Bullit and JT. Choices choices choices.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: Dan W on May 11, 2015, 11:56:13 AM
For a Glock 17 I would recommend 147 gr pills
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 11, 2015, 03:18:14 PM
For a Glock 17 I would recommend 147 gr pills

Thanks Dan. I that will knock a few out of the running.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: farmerbob on May 11, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
As Capt. Obvious once told me, " carry the good stuff and practice with cheap stuff."
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 11, 2015, 05:56:14 PM
As Capt. Obvious once told me, " carry the good stuff and practice with cheap stuff."
I know that one! That's what the extream bullets and title group is for! Honestly defense ammo always makes me cringe... Lol
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: farmerbob on May 11, 2015, 06:03:52 PM
Sorry if I came off as a smarta$$, bad attempt at humor.  ???
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: DR4NRA on May 11, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
For a Glock 17 I would recommend 147 gr pills

Those work good in a 26 also.


Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 11, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
Sorry if I came off as a smarta$$, bad attempt at humor.  ???
No Bob your fine! My scarasm was missed also :D. Honestly I'm a cheap ass. Lol I do a lot of research before I jump into buy things. I don't have a lot of money to experiment so I like to become as well informed as possible.

Thank you EVERYONE for your input. We are really lucky to have such a friendly forum. Some other ones I frequent are full of aholes that enjoy bashing people that ask questions like this.

Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: JTH on May 11, 2015, 08:17:43 PM
For a Glock 17 I would recommend 147 gr pills

I personally like the the Federal HST in 124 and 124 +P....and they happen to shoot pretty much just like the ammo I normally load for all my match shooting.  I know other folks that love the 147s, particularly in the Winchester Ranger-T load.  And I hear the Critical Duty 135 gr ones are excellent...

...what we need to do is get 5 people together, and everyone brings 100 rounds of a different type/mass of self-defense round, and everyone gets 20 rounds of each type, just to try out.  Not enough to really test for full reliability, but enough to get an idea of what you want to try out for real...

Actually, when I was choosing mine, I got myself a 50-round box each of Winchester Ranger-T in 147, Federal HST in 124, 124+P, and 147, and Speer Gold Dots in 147.  (Didn't get GD in 124, don't know why.)  Also some of the then-new Hornady SD ammo (the ones prior to the Critical Duty/Defense line).

Cost me about $200, which wasn't great.  But I got to try out (and compare directly) the feel of each of those.  They all have good research backing their effectiveness, so any would have been fine.  For me, though, it was immediately obvious that the 124s would work better just due to how the recoil impulse feels to shoot, which is obviously highly subjective.  Other than that, they worked fine---and I could get the best prices on 50-round boxes of the Federal HST 124 or 124 +P, so I just went with those.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 11, 2015, 10:56:42 PM
I personally like the the Federal HST in 124 and 124 +P....and they happen to shoot pretty much just like the ammo I normally load for all my match shooting.  I know other folks that love the 147s, particularly in the Winchester Ranger-T load.  And I hear the Critical Duty 135 gr ones are excellent...

...what we need to do is get 5 people together, and everyone brings 100 rounds of a different type/mass of self-defense round, and everyone gets 20 rounds of each type, just to try out.  Not enough to really test for full reliability, but enough to get an idea of what you want to try out for real...

Actually, when I was choosing mine, I got myself a 50-round box each of Winchester Ranger-T in 147, Federal HST in 124, 124+P, and 147, and Speer Gold Dots in 147.  (Didn't get GD in 124, don't know why.)  Also some of the then-new Hornady SD ammo (the ones prior to the Critical Duty/Defense line).

Cost me about $200, which wasn't great.  But I got to try out (and compare directly) the feel of each of those.  They all have good research backing their effectiveness, so any would have been fine.  For me, though, it was immediately obvious that the 124s would work better just due to how the recoil impulse feels to shoot, which is obviously highly subjective.  Other than that, they worked fine---and I could get the best prices on 50-round boxes of the Federal HST 124 or 124 +P, so I just went with those.
If you don't mind me asking you carry what?

I enjoyed watching you shoot at the last multi gun match.. I think you were shooting a 40 and I'm not sure what your power factor was but it was very smooth. For me I would much put two back to back shots where I know they count with a bit lighter recoil load compared to something harder hitting and I pull a shot.  So how much a difference does standard vs +p Make? I was considering trying out a box of citical duty from DEguns but they only have +p.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: farmerbob on May 12, 2015, 12:14:51 AM

http://m.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense (http://m.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense)
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: JTH on May 12, 2015, 06:02:17 AM
If you don't mind me asking you carry what?

G17, about 95% of the time.  G19 the other 5%.

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I enjoyed watching you shoot at the last multi gun match.. I think you were shooting a 40 and I'm not sure what your power factor was but it was very smooth.

Actually, that is my wife's Glock 35 (in 40).  I don't actually own a 40, myself.  I had to shoot it because I was in Heavy Metal Tactical division, which requires at least a 40 with 10-round mags.  My normal gun for competitions is a Glock 34 in 9mm--I pretty much only shoot her 40 in Multigun, and don't actually practice with it.

As for power factor---T. Engel's reloaded those for Julie, and they are more than a bit overpowered.  :)  He does NOT load light, even for Major, so I _think_ (if I recall correctly) they are about 187 power factor.  Not positive on the exact number, though I recall they are significantly above the requirement for Major power factor.

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For me I would much put two back to back shots where I know they count with a bit lighter recoil load compared to something harder hitting and I pull a shot.  So how much a difference does standard vs +p Make? I was considering trying out a box of citical duty from DEguns but they only have +p.

+P gets you a higher velocity, so more recoil from the shooter's end, but more effect from the "results" end--more penetration, better chance of expansion.  That doesn't mean that the regular rounds aren't good enough, just that the +P go faster, with the advantages that come with that.

In 9mm, the increased recoil makes it a bit snappier, but since it is only a 9mm, out of a full-size duty gun it really isn't a big deal.  (Out of a subcompact it would be less fun.) 

If you are interested in Critical Duty, you might take a look at Ammunition Depot.  They have the +P in stock for $24 for a box of 50.  (I don't know what DEGuns' price is--is theirs lower?)

http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Hornady-9mm-135-Grain-FlexLock-Critical-Duty-p/90235.htm (http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Hornady-9mm-135-Grain-FlexLock-Critical-Duty-p/90235.htm)

Like I said, I personally like the Federal HST, but any one of the list that's been said so far seem to be equally effective according to research. 
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 16, 2015, 09:05:59 PM
Thank you much guys! Now the qruestion does anyone need ammo in Lincoln? I'm going to order next week and can order extra to help save one shipping since its 14 bucks for 100 rounds!
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 18, 2015, 07:04:45 AM
Another bump. I am going to be buying from ammunition depot. They have several other brands in stock doesn't have to be critical duty that I will be ordering. I have one person right now and shipping is sitting around 15 total so it would be split how ever many ways
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 20, 2015, 08:55:56 PM
Final bump... Well maybe in the am. Ordering tomorrow. I have one other person in to split shipping. Message me if interested.
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: Dan W on May 20, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
I have one other person in to slut shipping.

Auto correct or human trafficking?
Title: Re: LPD and EDC Choice
Post by: tstuart34 on May 20, 2015, 09:15:20 PM
Auto correct or human trafficking?
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