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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: BigD75 on January 06, 2018, 09:12:52 AM
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So in a couple of weeks my wife and I are getting ready to go to Wisconsin and Chicago. Last night my wife asked me "Is there any legality in leaving your firearm in the vehicle?" She asked this because some of the events we're going to wouldn't be fond of us bringing a firearm into the building. My thought would be...there's no legality if no one knows its in there, however if your vehicle gets stolen with your firearm in there-that's a big deal! So, obviously my question here is I don't want to leave my firearm in the hotel room safe (if it has one), I'd rather bring it along just in case. I would think it would be ok in the vehicle, however I'm still going to be worrying about it. What do I do, what's right, what's wrong?
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Stay out of ChiCONGO ....
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Reason?
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Start with www.handgunlaw.us whenever you travel with a firearm. I don't know the answers to your question about storage where you're traveling, but that site might help.
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Illinois does not recognize a Nebraska CHP. When traveling in Illinois going to another state keep the firearm and ammunition separate and locked in a lockable case away from any contact by the passengers.
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When going into or through Illinois just understand that you are not in America; you are in a realm that is under the control of a criminal gang, and you do not have the rights the US Constitution says you have. No one here is going to council you to disobey the illegal edicts of that gang. If you choose to do so it's all on you.
I would point out that America would never have become a nation if our founders had been content to grovel before a tyrant. But that was a long time ago, and we seem to have grown content with our new masters. No act of an individual is going to change that.
The law is on your side, but it doesn't matter what the law says when those who have no respect for the law have the power to put you in jail.
So it boils down to a question of who you fear more, the criminal gang in the state house, or any criminal you might run across on your way through. It's probably safer to grovel and submit to the illegal edict. But there probably isn't much risk either way, as long as you are not stupid in how you do it.
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CLOSER TO HOME:
LINCOLN MUNICODE 9.36.110 Firearms in Unattended Motor Vehicle; Unlawful.
It shall be unlawful for any person to keep a firearm in an unattended motor vehicle for a
period in excess of twenty-four hours.
The provisions of this section shall not apply to members of the Armed Forces of the
United States, active or reserve, the National Guard of this state, or Reserve Officers Training
Corps, when on duty or training, or peace officers or other duly authorized law enforcement
officers, nor shall it apply to vehicles containing firearms that are parked in locked enclosures or
buildings, such as garages or other storage facilities. (Ord. 18158 §2; April 7, 2003).
Read it and Weep
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True on the unattended firearm in vehicle law. I dislike meddlesome socialism as much as the next guy. But in practice even if you permanently stored a gun in the glove box or behind the pickup seat (which is unwise perhaps, but that’s another thread) and the car is your daily driver, then it’s never “unattended” for more than 24 hours. I’d be curious to know if that law is ever enforced.
Regarding the original post and travel to Chicano Illinois, I wouldn’t go anywhere the city/state unless perhaps I were truly passing through on the interstate. You either gotta decide to go there unarmed, or don’t go at all. Or perhaps try and get a non-resident CHP if they offer such a thing, but my friends who live in IL say the process is arduous and expensive even for in-state residents.
Ever seen “locked up abroad” on Nat Geo channel, featuring all the idiot Americans who travel overseas, commit crimes, then are shocked to learn that the American constitution didn’t follow them to Ecuador? (And somehow that becomes the American Conulate’s “fault” in the eyes of the idiot tourist and his family.) You better have the same mindset going to Illinois. Perhaps some nice things to do / see there but you are leaving the United States of America so don’t come cryin’ when things go wrong.
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LINCOLN MUNICODE 9.36.110 is preempted by state law for all valid CCW permit holders, as are all local ordinances tha exceed state law.
IMHO one of the top reasons to get your CHP is preemption, and the passage of LB68 would extend this protection to all legal firearms owners in the state.
NFOA has prioritzed LB68 and we need everyone to pull together and get over the finish line.
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LINCOLN MUNICODE 9.36.110 is preempted by state law for all valid CCW permit holders, as are all local ordinances tha exceed state law.
IMHO one of the top reasons to get your CHP is preemption, and the passage of LB68 would extend this protection to all legal firearms owners in the state.
NFOA has prioritzed LB68 and we need everyone to pull together and get over the finish line.
This
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DanW, et.al:
RE: LINCOLN MUNICODE 9.36.110 is preempted by state law for all valid CCW permit holders,
It's possible that this statute still applies to long guns: rifles, shotguns. Which may be why it's still on the books.
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DanW, et.al:
It's possible that this statute still applies to long guns: rifles, shotguns. Which may be why it's still on the books.
Lincoln has yet to modify any ordinance to reflect the changes brought about by the Concealed Handgun Act, and yes it would still apply to long guns even with a CHP. (GOOD POINT)
Considering the lack of any effective way to monitor the storage of firearms in a vehicle, my take is that this ordinance will only be enforced if a gun owner self reports that a missing or stolen firearm was left unattended in a vehicle for more than 24 hours, thus making the victim of the theft or loss a 2 time loser.
There is also no legal definition of "unattended" that I am aware of. Is my vehicle in my driveway monitored by a security video surveillance system unattended? I would argue that it was not.
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This is off-topic of the original post, but Cassidy gets to absolutely tee off on "us" every time someone has a gun stolen out of their vehicle: https://lpd304.blogspot.com/ There are an embarrassing number of guns stolen from CHP'ers
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This is off-topic of the original post, but Cassidy gets to absolutely tee off on "us" every time someone has a gun stolen out of their vehicle: https://lpd304.blogspot.com/ There are an embarrassing number of guns stolen from CHP'ers
maybe if we did not have to walk to the trunk to secure our guns every time we want to enter a store with a stupid no guns allowed sign ... in front of everyone in the parking lot where any one with keen eye sight can see what your doing maybe so many guns would not be getting stolen from cars ...
like the dam sign is going to stop a criminal ... "criminal says to him self" i better drive to that other gas station to rob it ..it don't have a no guns allowed sign on it's door ...
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I have to agree with you “m morton”, sometimes it’s a sad/frustrating world we live in.
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maybe if we did not have to walk to the trunk to secure our guns every time we want to enter a store with a stupid no guns allowed sign ... in front of everyone in the parking lot where any one with keen eye sight can see what your doing maybe so many guns would not be getting stolen from cars ...
like the dam sign is going to stop a criminal ... "criminal says to him self" i better drive to that other gas station to rob it ..it don't have a no guns allowed sign on it's door ...
I agree with you. Cassidy also makes a decent point, and I'll only say I agree with him on this because quite a few people that have come through my CHP classes have said some version of this: Some people decide they aren't going to carry on-body but they want the gun hidden in their vehicle. Maybe it's because it is a hassle to take the gun on/off, but some people do say they just want it in there. I can't carry in to work, but I carry on the way to work, so I would fall into the category you described.
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I purchased a safe and bolted it to my pickup floor. It fits inside my large consol so no one knows it's there. I keep my handgun in the safe at all times that I'm not using it. Am I legal?
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There have been a lot of guns stolen from cars in Lincoln, though. So whatever you think of the law its not a good idea to leave guns unattended in your car.
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There have been a lot of guns stolen from cars in Lincoln, though. So whatever you think of the law its not a good idea to leave guns unattended in your car.
Especially when you leave the car unlocked. Anyone that leaves their car unlocked and is surprised something was stolen from it needs to be checked for a pulse. Every week I see people posting on Facebook about more **** stolen from their car, and 95% of the time it was unlocked. How can a person NOT KNOW that will happen? Talk about living in condition White.
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I purchased a safe and bolted it to my pickup floor. It fits inside my large consol so no one knows it's there. I keep my handgun in the safe at all times that I'm not using it. Am I legal?
Dave, I've got the same set up in my Dodge Ram. Having a CHP I only use it when I'll be in a prohibited area. I never use the "truck safe" for storage other than that. It's either on my person or in the house safe.
I don't know if you're legal. Good question.