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General Categories => The NFA Corner => Topic started by: David Hineline on January 26, 2011, 07:57:12 PM
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"I am pleased to report that all branches and offices within ATF have given the official okey dokey to eliminating the CLEO signature requirements for NFA Forms. This includes Counsel's office and the National Sheriffs' Association! The package has been sent on to the Department of Justice with recommendation for approval. The package will include:
1.Elimination of CLEO signature requirement.
2.Institution of CLEO "notification" similar to an FFL application. (A copy of the form will be sent to the CLEO as opposed to asking for permission.)
3.Trusts and LLC's and corps will still be available for use.
4.In the event of #3, a NICS check will be required when the weapon is physically transferred.
Unknown is whether the Citizenship Compliance form will be eliminated and merged into the various NFA forms instead of being a separate nuisance. ATF is leaning toward elimination."
The NFATCA has been working for several years to make this happen. I am proud to say that we have pushed this agenda item further with better results than we ever have before. ATF and its various branches have reviewed all of the potential issues and suggestions that we have presented. At this point, ATF has actually submitted the issue to the Department of Justice for final approval. We have never been able to get this issue out of ATF's "universe" before. At this point, it could be a matter of weeks or months before we receive final approval. I am hoping that the timing of the November release of several updated NFA forms is a good coincidence. That was the long answer. The short answer is yes, the process is in full swing.
Jeff Folloder
NFA Trade and Collectors Association
Website: http://www.nfatca.org
Direct: 281.492.8288
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Good news, I just wish this had happened before I set up a trust and sent in a form 1.
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So procastination does pay...
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Wow that's good news. I'm honestly surprised as I never thought NFA rules/laws would ever get any easier, I just always figured it would keep getting more and more difficult to obtain NFA weapons. What are the chances of this becoming finalized?
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Who knows if this can pass, but I know from meetings the ATF is not real happy about all the people using the trust system to avoid any background checks.
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good news, but the CLEO here is ok with'em. I know him and like him.
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There is only one area of Nebraska that the CLEO is a problem and that works out if you know the secret handshake.
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I know Lancaster is impossible unless you know the handshake, how does Sherriff Dunning (Douglas) feel about NFA guns? I can't imagine Douglas county would be easy.
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Tim Dunning signed for me with no problems. Dropped the form 4 off on a Friday, went back and picked it up Monday or Tuesday.
/rl
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2.Institution of CLEO "notification" similar to an FFL application. (A copy of the form will be sent to the CLEO as opposed to asking for permission.)
if i am understanding it right, i dont like #2. the CLEO has no right to know what i have. they shouldn't have to be notified about anything i do.
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Hey it's a step up from being told you CANT have it.
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Good news, I just wish this had happened before I set up a trust and sent in a form 1.
Trusts still have their advantages. With your wife being on the trust too, she can take it to the range without the requirement of you being present. Wait, given the territorialness of your wife with the CZs in the house, that might not be a good thing... ::)
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Hey it's a step up from being told you CANT have it.
If they said, "You Can't have it.", you could just get a trust, and they'd not be the wiser..... Now, they'll know and there ain't anything you can do about that. That is not a good thing...... what they don't know won't hurt YOU.
I live in a small town ...... if the Sherrif knows, then at least 1 person knows ...... and we all know "Two may keep a secret, if one is dead." That is halfway to the whole town knowing, in short order.....
Now thats funny....
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Well, if you're concerned about the CLEO knowing, the trust is still a viable option.
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Well, if you're concerned about the CLEO knowing, the trust is still a viable option.
2.Institution of CLEO "notification" similar to an FFL application. (A copy of the form will be sent to the CLEO as opposed to asking for permission.)
Won't they still send them a notification?
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Tim Dunning signed for me with no problems. Dropped the form 4 off on a Friday, went back and picked it up Monday or Tuesday.
/rl
Dunning is good people. I'd be extremely surprised if he had any gun-civilian related problems
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Hey it's a step up from being told you CANT have it.
If they said, "You Can't have it.", you could just get a trust, and they'd not be the wiser..... Now, they'll know and there ain't anything you can do about that. That is not a good thing...... what they don't know won't hurt YOU.
I live in a small town ...... if the Sherrif knows, then at least 1 person knows ...... and we all know "Two may keep a secret, if one is dead." That is halfway to the whole town knowing, in short order.....
Now thats funny....
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I know Lancaster is impossible unless you know the handshake, how does Sherriff Dunning (Douglas) feel about NFA guns? I can't imagine Douglas county would be easy.
Douglas, Co and Sarpy, Co are a snap, Lincoln/Lancaster are the only CLEO problem areas I have dealt with, I have never done a transfer into Washington Co so can not comment.
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I know Lancaster is impossible unless you know the handshake, how does Sherriff Dunning (Douglas) feel about NFA guns? I can't imagine Douglas county would be easy.
Sheriff Dunning is a great guy and has no problem signing off on the forms. There are several other parts of the state where the sign off does not come easy. Hamilton county being one. If you live in Aurora the PD Chief will sign off but if you live in the county you are SOL on the sign off.
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Maybe I've read the form 1 wrong, but I took it as any Chief LEO with jurisdiction in your area could sign it? What about the NSP Colonel? I know a brand new one is starting March 1st, but has anyone tried this angle? Or am I misunderstanding the ATF forms?
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Chris there is an entire gaggle of CLEOs who can sign, up to the head of state patrol, judges, on and on. A person just has to not take a no so quickly and put in the effort to make the connections needed.
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So I should send my paperwork to Terry Wagner and he might sign it?
Makes me feel like I'm 12 again.. Mom said no BMX'ing in the house so I went and asked Dad. (who said it sounded cool)
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So I should send my paperwork to Terry Wagner and he might sign it?
Makes me feel like I'm 12 again.. Mom said no BMX'ing in the house so I went and asked Dad. (who said it sounded cool)
I don't know alot about Sheriff Wagner, but did have a nice conversation him last year after a Judiciary Committee hearing where he testified in favor of a pro-gun bill. I don't recall the specific bill, but he spoke very much like he supported gun ownership both in front of the committee and with me
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i asked (through email) a couple years ago to Wagner and Cassidy. i was shot down by both. trust is much better. but i still don't like the part where the LEO's might be able to know where those guns/weapons are.
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Any updates to this topic? I haven't heard anything on any other gun related websites and was just wondering if there was any news to report.
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It has been almost a year and I wanted to know any updates.
I was using the search function to determine if anyone has asked the Lancaster county sheriff to do the CLEO sign off, and then I found this thread. Seems like there was some talk of the CLEO signoff being eliminated, but then this thread died.
SO, my two questions are:
1 is the cleo signoff still necessary?
2 has anyone asked Wagner to signoff? He seems pretty gun friendly.
thanks
66bigblock
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The signoff is still necessary. My understanding is Wagner will not sign out of deference to LPD.
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Unless of course a Trust owns it, then no sign off needed
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My understanding is Wagner will not sign out of deference to LPD.
Its my understanding that it is pretty common knowledge that there is no love lost between the LSO and LPD. (Is is no love or no love lost??? - Either way, I hear that they dont like either very much...)
Not doubting you BK, just wondering if anyone here has first hand knowledge of specifically being denied by Sheriff Wagner.
66bigblock