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General Categories => Carry Issues => Topic started by: grinch on December 11, 2012, 01:00:41 PM
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Just wanting to get some input as to how long i should wait before contacting the CID. It has been 14 days since i applied. The lady at troop a said they had hired a bunch more people and they were processing permits very quickly. I know that it says they have 45 calendar days but i don't want to be like many others and call on the 45th day and magically its ready as soon as they print it off. I thought about calling just to make sure that have all the necessary items and there isn't anything else they need. At the same time i don't want to be an annoyance as i am sure many others call daily and find myself at the bottom of the pile so to speak. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.
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It's hard to wait. It's especially hard to wait for those that believe their lives are in immediate, direct danger (they are actively being targeted by a miscreant). Unfortunately, you have no recourse until day 45. You'll have to wait it out until then. I'm pretty sure it's a "will be processed in the order they are received" type situation.
The good news is that, lately, they've been processing them faster than 45 days. For a while it was well past the deadline that people would get their cards.
Good luck Grinch.
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thanks for the input. i just hate having to wait. i have been watching a mailbox like a little kid waits for santa claus.
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I hear you. I'm not as good at waiting as I should be.
I would encourage you to start putting your system together, though. Find a good holster, get a good gun belt, find some clothing that will cover well. Take a training class (the course you just finished that lets you get the permit is not enough, IMO). Have fun, but above all please, please, please use common sense and be safe.
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I have already ordered all my stuff. I have actually taken several classes while i was in college and am quite proficient with a firearm. But i hear ya, practice and training are the most important.
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45 days is a lot better than +6 months for NFA stuff. it will come soon enough.
http://youtu.be/uMyCa35_mOg (http://youtu.be/uMyCa35_mOg)
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Yeah I figure once I apply in January I'll just do what I did while waiting for my NFA stamp. Forget about it, don't think about it. Continue to train.
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I called the Lincoln CID to check on the status because i couldn't help but ask when it would be done. They stated that i had been approved a week after submitting my application. i am on day 36 right now. I asked if i could dome by to pick it up and they cited the 45 day policy and that it should be mailed by then. She also said they would call when it is printed. So now just gotta wait a little longer. stinks that i have to wait just for it to be printed now. oh well. only a week and a half.
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I'm so sick of them doing this crap. This law needs to be changed. In south dakota when you apply for a CCW they give you a temp card right away until your real card is there.
There is no reason they cant be processed in 10 minutes each. Just run a NICS, what else could they possibly be checking. They act like they have some sort of secret databases and spy satelites to check out. Give me a break.
I also dont understand how they say that you have been approved a week after submitting, what the heck takes 38 more days after that? Printing out a card? My work can print out cards like that in 5 minutes, they do it all the time if you lose an ID.
I think that question needs to be answered and I would ask them. Its almost like they have 45 days so they just use it up because they can. JUST TO SHOW POWER OVER YOU. THen they wonder why we want guns in the first place. They do this crap and with our CCW, just think what they would do if only they had guns....
Yeah I'm grumpy.
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Ya i'm just waiting on them to print the card. they said i was in line and it should be printed in time. they said they would call but i'm not expecting to hear from them till after the 45 day since it is a saturday.
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I understand and totally agree that they could certainly streamline the process. Apparently, though, Nebraska is fond of outsourcing ID card printing to other states (pretty sure they do that with drivers licenses, now) and I wonder if that is part of the holdup.
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I understand and totally agree that they could certainly streamline the process. Apparently, though, Nebraska is fond of outsourcing ID card printing to other states (pretty sure they do that with drivers licenses, now) and I wonder if that is part of the holdup.
I believe it is, whatsit. I used to work as a system analyst/developer at the Dept of Revenue. I retired four years ago, but between 2002 and 2008, when I retired, they were outsourcing a lot of programs at that department. And, they were centralizing a lot of work in buidlings other than where the clerks and such were using/doing the work. When I was modifying a Homestead report printout I could make and test several changes in the report in one day, which even including walking several blocks from the NSOB to the 501 building, and back. After the new procedures were put in place the process was so cumbersome that it took at least a day to make a change, pass it through various approval levels, get a printing of a test document authorized, schedule it, print it at the scheduled time, walk over to the 501 and pick it up. Take the printout to others to authorize, shake and repeat until everyone agreed. Then print 50,000 copies. What used to be done in under a couple hours at the most, began taking a couple weeks at least.
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I do think the printing of the halographic water marks and other included security and anti copying strategies make the job a very specialized one
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I do think the printing of the halographic water marks and other included security and anti copying strategies make job a very specialized one
Wouldn't those be pre-printed on the blank forms? That's the way we did it at the state office, except for numbering. We had a special hand stamp for that and logged the numbers, etc...
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When the State went to the new style Drivers license they farmed out the printing. CHP is the same technology
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I called the Lincoln CID to check on the status because i couldn't help but ask when it would be done. They stated that i had been approved a week after submitting my application. i am on day 36 right now. I asked if i could dome by to pick it up and they cited the 45 day policy and that it should be mailed by then. She also said they would call when it is printed. So now just gotta wait a little longer. stinks that i have to wait just for it to be printed now. oh well. only a week and a half.
I'm shocked they told you that you had been approved since it hadn't been printed yet. I think that's the first time I've heard that one.
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There is no reason they cant be processed in 10 minutes each. Just run a NICS, what else could they possibly be checking.
Here's the reason they can't just do a NICS check:
69-2431 (http://"http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2431"). Fingerprinting; criminal history record information check.
In order to insure an applicant's initial compliance with sections 69-2430 and 69-2433, the applicant for a permit to carry a concealed handgun shall be fingerprinted by the Nebraska State Patrol and a check made of his or her criminal history record information maintained by the Federal Bureau of Investigation through the Nebraska State Patrol. In order to insure continuing compliance with sections 69-2430 and 69-2433 and compliance for renewal pursuant to section 69-2436, a check shall be made of a permitholder's criminal history record information through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
The Legislature elected, in its wisdom, to require a fingerprint-based FBI criminal record information search for first time applicants. Permit renewals only have to be checked through NICS, but initial applications require the longer, more expensive check.
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Ya the lady said "yep you're approved, just gotta wait in line to get it printed." she said it also looked like it would make it out of time. kinda frustrating but at least i know its gotta be sent out next friday at the latest.
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Day 24 here....Get anything yet Grinch?
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I talked a co worker into getting his CCW. His course was this past weekend and he was told 40days for wait.
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Small bump. I submitted on Dec 17th, called today out of curiosity and was told that my application is still in "Tier 2." From the way she explained it, it's still in the background check process. Week and a half/two weeks should be 45 days. We'll see what happens.
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I submitted in Lincoln Dec. 17th also ...still waiting :(
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Small bump. I submitted on Dec 17th, called today out of curiosity and was told that my application is still in "Tier 2." From the way she explained it, it's still in the background check process. Week and a half/two weeks should be 45 days. We'll see what happens.
I submitted on the 14th. Could the Feds be deliberately holding up checks, or are there so many applying that they are swamped?
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My guess, just like everything else firearms related they are swamped. Let us know if they go over 45 days and I'll make a call.
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i got mine on day 42 which was conveniently about 2 business after i called it arrived in the mail.
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And i get to renew mine.... I wonder if they will adhere to the 5 days for renewal turn around time.
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Thanks Grinch for the reply and have a safe ccl. hope you never need it
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I was finerprinted and photo'd on Jan.15th.I was told it would be 12 weeks.
By some of your comments 12 weeks is a vacation.You should submit a Form 4 for an NFA item.
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:blank:................................ :'( NUTS
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I was finerprinted and photo'd on Jan.15th.I was told it would be 12 weeks.
Yikes! What a difference one week makes... I submitted my application on January 6th and I was told to expect 40 to 45 days. What happens if day 45 rolls around with no permit? I know the administrative code says they will issue it at 45 days with or without the background checks finished... Has the state patrol ever gotten that badly backed up?
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From what folks have posted here, they won't automatically issue at day 45. You need to call them on day 45 and ask about the status, and nicely press them to issue the permit as indicated by law. They had gotten back down to a 3 - 4 week wait, so wonder what happened to extend the processing time again.
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Is that 45 working or calendar days?
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I submitted my paperwork on Jan. 8th and they told me it would take the 45 days because they have large number of permits coming in. I believe the law is 45 calender days not working days.
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Day 37 for my wife and myself :(
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I was finger printed on Dec 14th. It's now day 42 for me.
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I was finger printed on Dec 14th. It's now day 42 for me.
Monday morning I would call down and ask if your permit is ready to pickup as the law requires
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I thought I'd give them the full 45 days to comply. The postman just left and the mail box was empty. :(
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Time to make a phone call.
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I just called. They said it was completed and mailed on the 25th. So, it wasn't on today's US mule, but will probably be on the mule coming Tuesday or Wednesday. Good. Twenty days before the board of pardons meets again.
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Day 42 for wife and I sounds like we will be waiting more than 45 :angry:
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Is that 45 working or calendar days?
It's 45 calendar days
https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealedCarry.aspx (https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealedCarry.aspx)
Permit Issuance Process Neb. Rev. Stat. § 69-2430 009
009 PERMIT ISSUANCE PROCESS
009.01 If the application for a permit to carry a concealed handgun is complete and all accompanying documentation is submitted, a permit will be issued to the applicant by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five (45) calendar days so long as the record check reveals no disqualifying information and applicant meets all of the requirements of the Act and these regulations. If the record check can not be completed within the forty-five (45) calendar day limitation, a permit will be issued but is subject to cancellation if information is received that disqualifies the applicant.
Direct link
https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/media/10070/ccwregs.pdf (https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/media/10070/ccwregs.pdf)
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Day 42 for wife and I sounds like we will be waiting more than 45 :angry:
Nope. If you get to day 45, call and politely tell them you've reached 45 days and would like to pick up your permit. The law is the law, and they've been through this not too long ago...
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From what folks have posted here, they won't automatically issue at day 45. You need to call them on day 45 and ask about the status, and nicely press them to issue the permit as indicated by law. They had gotten back down to a 3 - 4 week wait, so wonder what happened to extend the processing time again.
If the number of calls I'm getting is any indication, it's that the number of permit applicants is skyrocketing.
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If the number of calls I'm getting is any indication, it's that the number of permit applicants is skyrocketing.
I went into the State Patrol office in Omaha today to turn in my renewal application. There were 4 other people in the office making what appeared to be initial applications. On the wall was a large calendar with notes written on several days - "45 CCW", "54 CCW", etc. Not every day had a note, but the ones that did were all over 40.
/rl
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Mine was in the mail today. 8)
I heard a Channel 8 story about the gun show on the north end of town that the dealers did more business at that show (one day) than they did in the entire previous six months.
Anyone hear that or know how accurate that reporter was?
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Mine was in the mail today. 8)
I heard a Channel 8 story about the gun show on the north end of town that the dealers did more business at that show (one day) than they did in the entire previous six months.
Anyone here that or know how accurate that reporter was?
Glad you finally got your 2A card Thank you for the update If your refering to the Lincoln show attendance was 4000 Sat. and prob. 2000 Sun.
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Day 45 CHP in hand ....wifes is still not here? :'(
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2A card
That's a good way to put it. Amazing what a person has to go through to exercise their 2A "shall not be infringed" Right.
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Day 45 CHP in hand ....wifes is still not here? :'(
Wifes here today 48 days
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Today is day forty,supposed to be in mail box Friday!!!!!
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Just laminate your course diploma and keep that with you. Then if you ever get questioned, pull out your diploma and say, here it is!
When the officer says, that is not good enough, say the following, as you cock your head at him.
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Curious, what does a CCW permit look like? Can someone post a link to one, or post a photo?
Thanks.
Like this?
(http://a.usacarry.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nebraska_concealed_carry_permit_front.jpg)
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Curious, what does a CCW permit look like? Can someone post a link to one, or post a photo?
Thanks.
Like this?
(http://a.usacarry.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nebraska_concealed_carry_permit_front.jpg)
Yes, that is what it looks like. BTW, this is an old template, and the superintendent of the Nebraska State Patrol is now Col. David Sankey.
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So it is a heavy plastic card that would hold up in a money clip, unlike the paper handgun purchase card issued by the sheriff?
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So it is a heavy plastic card that would hold up in a money clip, unlike the paper handgun purchase card issued by the sheriff?
The card is the size of a Drivers Licence and as thick if not thicker.
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As mentioned in some of my prior posts, there is WEALTH of answers to many of these questions on the NSP website INCLUDING a picture of CHP. They will not have a picture, nor does one exist of a "CCW" permit as Nebraska does not issue such.
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Here is the example from the NSP ... and yes, even they title it wrong i.e. "CCW"
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Did the 2.5 hour wait at the NSP today for pics and prints. Nice people waiting. Everyone that came after 2:30 was turned away. The lobby, small, was packed like sardines. (Oil not tomato sauce :o )
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For me, day 45 was this last Wednesday or Thursday (yesterday), depending on if you count the application day as 1 or start the following day. Nothing received as of yet. Figured I will wait a few more days before calling.
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Rudy...you should be calling now. The law gives them 45 CALENDER days to issue a permit regardless if later on it must be retracted i.e. found out you are a bad guy. Hold their feet to the fire (politely of course).....
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Rudy...you should be calling now. The law gives them 45 CALENDER days to issue a permit regardless if later on it must be retracted i.e. found out you are a bad guy. Hold their feet to the fire (politely of course).....
I called but only got an answering machine. Left a message--back to the waiting game.
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I have one student who is being patient and not calling... another that called on day 45 and left a message with the state patrol asking for a callback. I'll give you one guess who has his permit in hand. The other guy is on day 56 IIRC.
Call, leave a callback message, then ask politely when you can pick up your permit tomorrow.
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I'm on day 49...lost track of days and just remembered to call today. Their answering machine message says to give them the full 45 calendar days, PLUS 3-7 business days for mailing. That's the first I've heard of the additional days for mailing time.
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I got a call back from NSP. The lady said that my permit had finished processing but was awaiting some kind of final approval and should be ready to be mailed on Monday. I asked if picking it up was easier since I live in Lincoln, she said that would be fine and that she would affix a note to my packet stating I wanted to pick it up. She also said that people were coming in over the weekend working overtime on CHP applications.
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I got a call back from NSP. The lady said that my permit had finished processing but was awaiting some kind of final approval and should be ready to be mailed on Monday. I asked if picking it up was easier since I live in Lincoln, she said that would be fine and that she would affix a note to my packet stating I wanted to pick it up. She also said that people were coming in over the weekend working overtime on CHP applications.
I was told the same thing about an hour ago. Should have mine by Tuesday.
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Today was day 45 for me, nothing in mail box. Maybe Saturday? If not Saturday will call first thing Monday!!!!!!!!!!
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Today was day 45 for me, nothing in mail box. Maybe Saturday? If not Saturday will call first thing Monday!!!!!!!!!!
45 business days? That comes out to about 2 1/2 months adding in holidays, almost 3 months adding in mailing delays.
I am figuring three months from when we did our prints / pics.
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45 business days? That comes out to about 2 1/2 months adding in holidays, almost 3 months adding in mailing delays.
I am figuring three months from when we did our prints / pics.
Not business days... It's calendar days.
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Today was day 45 for me as well, I called and left a message. I got a message about 45 for processing, plus 3-7 days for mailing?? Now what, wait until next Friday and call again??
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Not business days... It's calendar days.
Not as it was explained to me. Statute might answer that for us.
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Not as it was explained to me. Statute might answer that for us.
009.01 If the application for a permit to carry a concealed handgun is complete and all accompanying documentation is submitted, a permit will be issued to the applicant by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five (45) calendar days so long as the record check reveals no disqualifying information and applicant meets all of the requirements of the Act and these regulations. If the record check can not be completed within the forty-five (45) calendar day limitation, a permit will be issued but is subject to cancellation if information is received that disqualifies the applicant.
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009.01 If the application for a permit to carry a concealed handgun is complete and all accompanying documentation is submitted, a permit will be issued to the applicant by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five (45) calendar days so long as the record check reveals no disqualifying information and applicant meets all of the requirements of the Act and these regulations. If the record check can not be completed within the forty-five (45) calendar day limitation, a permit will be issued but is subject to cancellation if information is received that disqualifies the applicant.
Sweet! I am closer to my permit already!
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Wife and I went in for pics/prints at Troop A station in Omaha today. We were in and out of there in ten minutes. Girls in office said it's the first monday that hasn't been a madhouse since Dec. They said things are smoothing out adminstratively and to look for the permits in 3-5 weeks. Crossing my fingers and starting the clock. ;)
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I did mine there today also,
So my 45 day wait also starts
I was in and out very quickly as well.
There were only a few people there when i arrived and only 2 new waiting
when i was leaving.
I was surprised when they did not only finger prints but full palm prints as well.
but it went very fast the only thing slowing it down was the time it took the computer
to reset between prints.
It was nice as it was all digital......no messy ink.
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I trust everyone was getting extra copies of their fingerprint card printed out. If you decide to expand your CHL coverage to include UTAH coverage, you will be required to submit a card and passport sized photos with your application. (and money!)
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Wife and I went in for pics/prints at Troop A station in Omaha today. We were in and out of there in ten minutes. Girls in office said it's the first monday that hasn't been a madhouse since Dec. They said things are smoothing out adminstratively and to look for the permits in 3-5 weeks. Crossing my fingers and starting the clock. ;)
3 weeks? I have never seen anyone comment it ever came that fast, but I see no reason it should take twice that long.
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I trust everyone was getting extra copies of their fingerprint card printed out. If you decide to expand your CHL coverage to include UTAH coverage, you will be required to submit a card and passport sized photos with your application. (and money!)
Looking at a coverage map, it would seem many people would be fine not getting the Utah or Florida permits. I know I am good with just the single Nebraska permit.
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It used to take about 3 weeks.
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Got my permit today...52 days total.
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Looking at a coverage map, it would seem many people would be fine not getting the Utah or Florida permits. I know I am good with just the single Nebraska permit.
Adding a UT permit in addition to your NE permit, picks you up another 7 states.... If you never travel to any of these states (Minnesota probably the most common one people want the UT permit for), then you are correct no sense in getting a UT permit. It all depends on where you travel to, and if you want additional states of coverage
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Adding a UT permit in addition to your NE permit, picks you up another 7 states.... If you never travel to any of these states (Minnesota probably the most common one people want the UT permit for), then you are correct no sense in getting a UT permit. It all depends on where you travel to, and if you want additional states of coverage
+1 I'm getting my UT for MN.
Picked up my permit today, 48 days total. Maybe if they continue to do overtime on weekends, the wait will get down to less than 45 days.
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finally got my permit....day 49 yesterday...day 45 was friday nothing in mail box,nothing saturday either......called NSP first thing monday and was nice and it was in mail box tuesday...finally over.........uuuuuugh
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Adding a UT permit in addition to your NE permit, picks you up another 7 states.... If you never travel to any of these states (Minnesota probably the most common one people want the UT permit for), then you are correct no sense in getting a UT permit. It all depends on where you travel to, and if you want additional states of coverage
One thing I'm having trouble finding is how often you have to renew the UT permit, and at what cost? I'm considering adding a UT permit, but I would really only need it for MN most likely. Kind of hoping maybe MN will wise up and start taking NE's permit instead... :)
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UT permit costs $51 and is good for 5 years
After 5 years, you pay a $15 renewal fee for a 5 year extension (no class needed to renew)
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One thing I'm having trouble finding is how often you have to renew the UT permit, and at what cost? I'm considering adding a UT permit, but I would really only need it for MN most likely. Kind of hoping maybe MN will wise up and start taking NE's permit instead... :)
Its totally messed up that many states honors Minnesotas permit, including Nebraska, yet Minnesota only honors a few other states permits. I think thats the reason New Mexico took Minnesota off their reciprocal list.
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Its totally messed up that many states honors Minnesotas permit, including Nebraska, yet Minnesota only honors a few other states permits. I think thats the reason New Mexico took Minnesota off their reciprocal list.
As a former MN resident, I can tell you that a lot of Minnesotans are mad about this issue, too. The commissioner of public safety is supposed to review other state's carry laws and determine whether they are substantially similar or not on an annual basis. The commissioner refuses to do so and there are no reprecussions. Former Governor Pawlenty said he would fix the problem, but never did. Old thread on the old MN carry forum discussing this topic: http://www.tccarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4689&view=next (http://www.tccarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4689&view=next)
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As a former MN resident, I can tell you that a lot of Minnesotans are mad about this issue, too. The commissioner of public safety is supposed to review other state's carry laws and determine whether they are substantially similar or not on an annual basis. The commissioner refuses to do so and there are no reprecussions. Former Governor Pawlenty said he would fix the problem, but never did. Old thread on the old MN carry forum discussing this topic: http://www.tccarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4689&view=next (http://www.tccarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4689&view=next)
Rudy to add to your point, he also finds little differences in overall firearms law and denies recognition/reciprocity for those. If I remember correctly Nebraska is not recognized because our system of returning or appealing a denial of firearms rights is different than MN.
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There is something about alcohol and drug records that MN wants that we don't have. I'll try to find that old correspondence.
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:D Got my permit Day 51, probably would have been longer if I didnt call on Monday!
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Today is day 45 for me.Called the NSP,left them a message,will see if they return the call.I been background checked on two different occasions for NFA items.Don't understand the lenght of the waiting period,but with the current state of affairs in this country-gun wise,just want them to get it right.And the wait goes on.
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Today is day 50,finally got to speak with Julie at the NSP,after playing phone tag for 2 days.My current status is,I've completed the first back ground check and am in line for the second check behind 100 other applicants.She said it could be another week to week and a half.WOW.
Interesting that we,if I get mine, as permit holders must follow all state statues relating to CCW,but the administrators of the permit process don't.What a deal.
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oday is day 50,finally got to speak with Julie at the NSP,after playing phone tag for 2 days.My current status is,I've completed the first back ground check and am in line for the second check behind 100 other applicants.She said it could be another week to week and a half
NFOA board members et al. It appears we need to rattle the proverbial cage again. The law is the law and at a minimum a permit MUST be issued in 45 calender days (even if it must be rescinded later if you're found out to be a BG). Might I suggest those of you beyond the time ALLOWED, contact your State Senator. Yes, I know they are in session but as I watch NET 2, most of them are dozing off, not present or appear to be playing solitaire while The Cobra prattles on..... I would also contact the Gov. Last fall, this "heat" made a difference.
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Pushing a rattlesnake into a corner, may not get the outcome we want.
If the law says 45 days, and we push the issue, they could start denying applicants, to free up their backlog, and tell us to reapply later, and pay the fees all over again.
Me, I will wait quietly. I am in no hurry, I waited years to apply, why push the snake into a corner?
I think we should start a raffle for the CCW permit that takes the longest to issue!
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Pushing a rattlesnake into a corner, may not get the outcome we want.
If the law says 45 days, and we push the issue, they could start denying applicants, to free up their backlog, and tell us to reapply later, and pay the fees all over again.
Me, I will wait quietly. I am in no hurry, I waited years to apply, why push the snake into a corner?
I think we should start a raffle for the CCW permit that takes the longest to issue!
You have a good point, but it's also worth noting that there is nothing wrong with asking employees of the state to abide by the law. If the law changes, so be it. We can at least influence it through our legislators. I think it's important to keep the pressure on and keep them accountable. The way it's set up, as I understand it, is thay the MUST issue the permit within 45 days regardless of whether they have completed the investigation, with the option to rescind it later.
Allowing the state to arbitrarily disregard the law because it's inconvenient is giving them a pass. As citizens, we don't have that option. I don't want to cede that right to the state either.
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Gary...to alleviate your concerns.....we confronted this issue last year and things got back in line i.e. we got the outcome we wanted. The legislature passed the law. It is what it is.
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Waiting patiently, day ?? In fact, I have no idea!
I will know it is time for me to have my permit, when it comes in the mail.
Is that passive? Yes. Is it within my rights to puff up at day 46? Not really, as some issues to me are not worth my getting riled up over.
I don't sweat the little things.
Glad my wife and I took the class, glad we applied for the permit, and glad I am in no big hurry waiting by the mailbox.
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Waiting patiently, day ?? In fact, I have no idea!
I will know it is time for me to have my permit, when it comes in the mail.
Is that passive? Yes. Is it within my rights to puff up at day 46? Not really, as some issues to me are not worth my getting riled up over.
I don't sweat the little things.
Glad my wife and I took the class, glad we applied for the permit, and glad I am in no big hurry waiting by the mailbox.
You don't have to get "puffed up" about anything, but it's perfectly reasonable to get on the phone and ask the question. I've dealt with enough government bureaucracies in my life to know that accountability isn't something that's at the forefront of anyone's mind. Sometimes it takes a nudge to get things moving. Enough nudges and you can keep the system in line.
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You don't have to get "puffed up" about anything, but it's perfectly reasonable to get on the phone and ask the question. I've dealt with enough government bureaucracies in my life to know that accountability isn't something that's at the forefront of anyone's mind. Sometimes it takes a nudge to get things moving. Enough nudges and you can keep the system in line.
I think anyone that wants to call on the 46th day, is OK by me. In fact, call on the 20th day and ask how it is going, fine by me.
I am just adding my 2 cents, letting all who cares one way or the other know, some of us are OK with the process, and do not care about the days passing till the permits come in the mail.
My wife is a state employee, so maybe I see another side to this.
I think on day 45, I will send the State Patrol roses, and tell them to go home a half hour early, and get some rest.
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I think I read somewhere, all the State Patrol offices do the permit process by appointment, except Lincoln?
I would have rather done an appointment, even if that appointment was a couple months wait. We stood in a cramp hallway, 3 hours plus.
The offices that do this process by appointment, I bet they get it all turned around in the 45 days. Throwing everyone into a meat grinder the way it is done in Lincoln, no wonder the process is bogged down.
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would have rather done an appointment, even if that appointment was a couple months wait. We stood in a cramp hallway, 3 hours plus.
The offices that do this process by appointment, I bet they get it all turned around in the 45 days. Throwing everyone into a meat grinder the way it is done in Lincoln, no wonder the process is bogged down.
Gary those appointment's are so the person who take the fingerprints and Photos is in the office to do them.
It's my understanding that once those are done the info submitted and collected is all sent on to Lincoln and Lincoln them processes all of them for the state.
The local offices do not Issue the permits.
A office of the State patrol in Lincoln is responsible for doing the all the back ground checks and issuing the permits or denying them.
If you check (not sure if it's this thread) old posts on the forum you'll see we already did address this to those in charge once sometime last Fall over the 45 day requirement and it got better ......we had some that were at 60 to 85+ days and still waiting at the time.
I say maybe it need a follow up shot in the arm. or maybe we need to send them a That a Boy for doing a much better job on keeping them close to or under the 45 day mandated time limit requirement.
Just to remind them that we are still watching it and them. ;D
Edit update:
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,5365.0.html (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,5365.0.html) is one of the later threads on this
AAllen and Dan W were some of the member spearheading this effort if i remember right.
We should all thank them for their effort on this issue.
Thanks Guys.
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I applied in Omaha no appointment needed there, still have 25 days left to wait
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I applied in Omaha no appointment needed there, still have 25 days left to wait
Welcome to the forum! Lots of great people here, and me. lol
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Applied for my renewal at the Omaha Troop on 27 February at about 11:00 A.M., was the only one there. My permit arrived in the mail on 8 March. Almost fell over when it came that early. :o
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After a 57 day wait,I finally received my permit in the mail today.
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Applied for my renewal at the Omaha Troop on 27 February at about 11:00 A.M., was the only one there. My permit arrived in the mail on 8 March. Almost fell over when it came that early.
5 business days required to have renewals done, so sounds like they are complying in that regard.
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Applied for my renewal at the Omaha Troop on 27 February at about 11:00 A.M., was the only one there. My permit arrived in the mail on 8 March. Almost fell over when it came that early.
I'm more surprised that you were the only one there when you applied!
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I'm more surprised that you were the only one there when you applied!
If that means that the "rush" for permits and weapons is over then I'm glad!
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5 business days required to have renewals done, so sounds like they are complying in that regard.
After a 57 day wait,I finally received my permit in the mail today.
Do you remember what date you applied?
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Applied Jan 15,2013
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Thanks Duh!! I should of done the math. Mine was the 15 of feb. so I still have some wait time yet
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I think I read somewhere, all the State Patrol offices do the permit process by appointment, except Lincoln?
I would have rather done an appointment, even if that appointment was a couple months wait. We stood in a cramp hallway, 3 hours plus.
The offices that do this process by appointment, I bet they get it all turned around in the 45 days. Throwing everyone into a meat grinder the way it is done in Lincoln, no wonder the process is bogged down.
The part where you get fingerprinted and your picture taken is completely separate from the background check process. One has nothing to do with the time frame of the other.
And as a comment, saying that the State Patrol will illegally deny permits just to eliminate their backlog is an interesting statement.
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And as a comment, saying that the State Patrol will illegally deny permits just to eliminate their backlog is an interesting statement.
If an office is doing all they can do, who says it would be illegal to stay in their timeline, and only do what you can do? No office can walk on water. I was not suggesting they did anything wrong, just brought up the possibility, they are over worked for the task at hand. I do not know how they handle the possibility of them having too much work to do.
I WAS NOT IMPLYING THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I do not know, nor am I really interested in their business practices or how the process works. . Like I have already said, if my permit shows up on day 44 or 84, I am in no hurry to get it. I am looking at this like when it gets here, .005% of my life changes a little.
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If an office is doing all they can do, who says it would be illegal to stay in their timeline, and only do what you can do? No office can walk on water. I was not suggesting they did anything wrong, just brought up the possibility, they are over worked for the task at hand. I do not know how they handle the possibility of them having too much work to do.
I WAS NOT IMPLYING THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I do not know, nor am I really interested in their business practices or how the process works. . Like I have already said, if my permit shows up on day 44 or 84, I am in no hurry to get it. I am looking at this like when it gets here, .005% of my life changes a little.
Here's what you said, Gary:
Pushing a rattlesnake into a corner, may not get the outcome we want.
If the law says 45 days, and we push the issue, they could start denying applicants, to free up their backlog, and tell us to reapply later, and pay the fees all over again.
It was pretty clear what you were implying.
You just said: If an office is doing all they can do, who says it would be illegal to stay in their timeline, and only do what you can do?
That isn't what you said originally. However, even if it was, this is not the current situation. The law says it must be within a certain time frame, and if the State Patrol is unable to finish within that frame, that the permit MUST be issued.
The State Patrol is currently unable to consistently issue/deny permits within the time frame, and yet they are not issuing the permits as required by law.
My point is simple---we all know that their office is understaffed and overworked. As such, responding politely to them, notifying them that they are not in compliance with the law, and notifying our representatives that the State Patrol is currently not in compliance with the law, will have an effect. It worked last year, it'll work again. Perhaps, it might even work well enough that they will add staffing so it keeps being a timely process.
Ignoring it will not fix the problem. As we found last year, politely being factual about the situation works.
The people at the State Patrol are good folks, trying to do many things. It isn't their fault that there are problems---but at the same time, it is their responsibility to fix the problem, and if we want the problem fixed, it is our responsibility to let people know that there is a problem to be fixed.
That's my opinion, everyone else can certainly ignore it. However, I strongly suggest sentences like "If the law says 45 days, and we push the issue, they could start denying applicants, to free up their backlog, and tell us to reapply later, and pay the fees all over again" not occur, because such an action WOULD be illegal, and implying that the State Patrol staff would do so is not helpful.
Many people already find it rather offensive that we have to effectively petition to exercise our rights---but we are doing it, because it is the law. For those people, waiting even longer is simply not acceptable. In cases like this, notifying the appropriate representatives that there is an issue gets us closer to a solution.
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It would appear they are getting the wait under 45 days. I called yesterday to check on the status; I'm on day 40 since I applied. She told me that my permit has been approved and its out for processing (whatever that entails). She told me if I don't have it by Monday to call back.
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Are my posts here a soufflé recipe where the ingredients are so critical to the outcome of the meal?
How about I quote you? " It was pretty clear what you were implying"
If it is clear, it was only clear in your head, where you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I have been a gun dealer, I am a voting life member of the NRA, member GOA, member of several gun right organizations, and my wife is a state employee of 35 years. My wife and I fully support the Constitution as it was written, all of it. Maybe because of my wife working in a state office, I see another perspective in the issuing of these permits. Zero tolerance is most always a bad thing.
If the fine folks at the NSP take 90 days to issue me a permit, I am not going to get my panties in a wad about it and cause a ruckus.
The Nebraska laws, the way they are interpreted, allow me my gun rights pretty well without this permit in my pocket, and I am not at wits end checking the mail daily. In fact, my wife and I check the mail about twice a week. The first few days my permit arrives, will go unnoticed in the mail box.
I have close friends that own a gun store. One of the largest in the state. They do not have CCW permits. Don't want them. Why? The Nebraska law already allows them, as just and prudent citizens of the State of Nebraska, to go about their business, with protection as they see fit. For them, as they see the law, they have less rights holding a permit. I cannot disagree with that line of reasoning, I see advantages in doing it from both sides.
I was a CCW permit holder in the 70's, in Iowa, Council Bluffs, a state where having one is not a right, it was an option to issue one by the local sheriff. Many people were denied, told they did not need one. All the years I owned a gun store, in Nebraska, the law served as my right to protect myself. Nothing has changed.
Now if I were all excited about getting my permit asap, I have exactly 384 more hours to wait. lol
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Are my posts here a soufflé recipe where the ingredients are so critical to the outcome of the meal?
How about I quote you? " It was pretty clear what you were implying"
If it is clear, it was only clear in your head, where you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I have been a gun dealer, I am a voting life member of the NRA, member GOA, member of several gun right organizations, and my wife is a state employee of 35 years. My wife and I fully support the Constitution as it was written, all of it.
However, zero tolerance is most always a bad thing.
If the fine folks at the NSP take 90 days to issue me a permit, I am not going to get my panties in a wad about it.
The Nebraska laws, the way they are interpreted, allow me my gun rights pretty well without this permit in my pocket, and I am not at wits end checking the mail daily. In fact, my wife and I check the mail about twice a week. The first few days my permit arrives, will go unnoticed in the mail box.
I have close friends that own a gun store. One of the largest in the state. They do not have CCW permits. Don't want them. Why? The Nebraska law already allows them, as just and prudent citizens of the State of Nebraska, to go about their business, with protection as they see fit. For them, as they see the law, they have less rights holding a permit. I cannot disagree with that line of reasoning, I see advantages in doing it from both sides.
I was a CCW permit holder in the 70's, in Iowa, Council Bluffs, a state where having one is not a right, it was an option to issue one by the local sheriff. Many people were denied, told they did not need one. All the years I owned a gun store, in Nebraska, the law served as my right to protect myself. Nothing has changed.
Now if I were all excited about getting my permit asap, I have exactly 384 more hours to wait. lol
So you're okay with the NSP not complying with the law as it is written? It's one thing to say you are not in a rush to get your permit, but it's another to let the NSP exceed the deadline when there is clearly language in the law that compels them to do otherwise.
An issue like this goes well beyond gun rights, but goes instead to the role of government in society. Do you have the option to miss statutory deadlines if you get really busy, particularly if there is a mechanism in the law to take care of your obligations?
Here's an example, suppose you get behind on your taxes because of a personal situation and fail to file your state return on time. The state allows you to request an extension, but you can't be bothered to use that. Do you think the government is going to cut you any slack? Why give the same to the NSP.
For them to fail to issue a permit within the statutory guidelines, particularly when there is clear direction for them to issue within 45 days even if the investigation isn't complete shows a complete disregard for the law. Whatever your needs are with respect to the CHP, it's NOT okay for the NSP to disregard laws passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor. They are no more above the law than you are. If you accept that the state police can disregard statutes put in place specifically for this purpose then you give them carte blanche to do it elsewhere. No one is above the law.
It's one thing for you to say "I'm not worried about it," but many people are asking instead "why can't the NSP follow the law?" I think the latter statement is more important.
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Personally, I think a person not walking down the road, in chains, cleaning ditches, has a God given right to protection, with a firearm, hatchet, bazooka, whatever. A free man, woman or child should have the right to self protection. Once a freeman becomes a felon, then his rights should stripped away, and that is where ditch cleaning would come in handy.
Four states in our union pretty much get it correctly, Vermont being one of them, when it comes to Concealed Carry. To have the state issue me a permit, for something my oath of citizenship already gives me, clearly spelled out, , is a little sad.
Here is my federal permit to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
My zero contact with police officers in any sort of official capacity over the years (I am an old geezer), except for a parking ticket level events, along with the hundreds of millions of American Citizens, that keep our noses clean, shows the people are alert, vigil, trustworthy, in command, and not to be walked on by our elected governing officers.
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I think it is interesting to read how one permit takes a few days (renewal) and others take months, and how members here react to the wait times. I am not belittling the membership here and this discussion, , however, I am not thinking our public offices are in any sort of dastardly violation of the state laws by doing all they can do it get the torrent of permits applied for, issued.
If it has been 45 days, how about getting a dozen roses sent over to the NSP, telling them to have a nice day? I could see myself doing that, over raising a stink about compliance to a law.
382 more hours.
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Just got my permit today!! :D 51 days :(
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To me the reason it is okay to call and respectfully ask if the permit is ready on the 45th day is that the law has an accommodation for high volumes of permits... that they be issued anyway on the 45th day and then if there is a problem the SP can contact you and cancel the permit/straighten out the issue. I tell my CHP participants to call and RESPECTFULLY ask if the permit has been mailed yet (on day 45). If not, I tell them to ask politely what a good time to come pick it up would be. I'm not encouraging anyone to lecture the handful of staff on state law... they already know it.
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Are my posts here a soufflé recipe where the ingredients are so critical to the outcome of the meal?
It is called a discussion forum, Gary. As such, oddly enough, we discuss what people say.
You said you don't have a problem with NSP not following the law. Other people do, therefore discussion followed.
You implied the NSP would break the law, which other people disagreed with, therefore discussion followed.
Some people use this forum as a place to pontificate their own opinions. Perfectly fine. However, posting them here also means that people will then discuss, comment, nitpick, support, refute, and in general, talk about what is written.
That's how it goes, in a discussion forum.
How about I quote you? " It was pretty clear what you were implying"
If it is clear, it was only clear in your head, where you are trying to make something out of nothing.
No, you were clear. We got it.
If the fine folks at the NSP take 90 days to issue me a permit, I am not going to get my panties in a wad about it and cause a ruckus.
So, as was said, you don't have a problem with other people not obeying the law?
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Mine was in the mail today (envelope opened) :o day 48
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Mine showed up in the post box today; 44 days after application.
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Someone asked me where they are printed... and I have to say I don't know... Is the printing farmed out or done locally at the SP offices?
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Mine came in the mail last friday (3/22)....47 days after application
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So, as was said, you don't have a problem with other people not obeying the law?
There is the spirit of the law, and their is the letter of the law. Next time you get pulled over for a tire touching the center line, or going three over the speed limit, which concept of the law do you want used on you?
I do not wish to turn this into a donnybrook. Takes two to argue, so good luck finding someone to argue with, wont be me. lol
Glad to see people are getting their cards in a timely manor. Seems like the state is performing inside the letter of the law for most everyone, and the spirit of the law as well.
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I applied for my renewal today at the Omaha NSP location. The kind lady there said for new applicants to expect to wait 7-10 weeks for your CCW permit. :o :(
She said 7-10 days for my renewal... 8)
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There is the spirit of the law, and their is the letter of the law. Next time you get pulled over for a tire touching the center line, or going three over the speed limit, which concept of the law do you want used on you?
I do not wish to turn this into a donnybrook. Takes two to argue, so good luck finding someone to argue with, wont be me. lol
Glad to see people are getting their cards in a timely manor. Seems like the state is performing inside the letter of the law for most everyone, and the spirit of the law as well.
(http://theawesomer.com/photos/2011/08/081511_internet_argument_bingo_1.jpg)
Gary, you claim to not want to argue, but then present an argument to continue to bolster your position that you don't care how long it takes. This is a discussion board and it's a place where people discuss issues. Why is that a problem for you. I don't think anyone here fails to grasp the fact that you don't care how long it takes for you to get your CHP. That's fine, but the question isn't whether you care, it's whether you understand the broader issue in play.
Your own argument can be used either way. For example, suppose you get pulled over by the cops for a violation of the letter of the law vs just the spirit. Does the ticket cost you any less money? Does it change the fact that you were in violation? Clearly no.
In this case, I would assert that the NHP is in violation of both the spirit and letter of the law with respect to exceeding the statutory deadline for issuance. Here's why (CAPS FOR EMPHASIS)
THE LAW HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THE STATE MUST ISSUE THE PERMIT IF THE BACKGROUND CHECK CAN'T BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE 45 DAY WINDOW.
I'll say it again another way, the law specifically states that the state will issue the permit and revoke it later rather than delay it beyond the 45 day deadline.
The question isn't whether you are worried about it, the question is why you seem so unconcerned about the state violating your rights under the law? It's not about the permit, it's about the state disregarding the rules set up by the legislature. Do you see that? Why are you okay with that?
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Is there something about "discussion board" that you don't get? I'm just wondering if you understand that the law has a specific provision to prevent the state from exceeding the deadline to protect the rights of the citizens. Do you not get that or do you not care?
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It's not about the permit, it's about the state disregarding the rules set up by the legislature.
Unfortunately there isn't a penalty against the state for failing to abide by the law. IF the shoe were on the other foot the penalties would be applied immediately and to the full letter of the law. How to force the state into compliance? How many can afford the time and money to pursue the matter, or even think it is worth the time or money to do so?
Maybe if we could get the CHP law modified to state that if an application isn't processed within the statutory days the applicant gets their license fee back and gets their temporary permit as well. If the final permit is issued the applicant keeps the license fee, if not they pay it.
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Unfortunately there isn't a penalty against the state for failing to abide by the law. IF the shoe were on the other foot the penalties would be applied immediately and to the full letter of the law. How to force the state into compliance? How many can afford the time and money to pursue the matter, or even think it is worth the time or money to do so?
Maybe if we could get the CHP law modified to state that if an application isn't processed within the statutory days the applicant gets their license fee back and gets their temporary permit as well. If the final permit is issued the applicant keeps the license fee, if not they pay it.
They will only be accountable if we make an effort to hold them to it. That's why being nonchalant about it is only going to make the situation worse. I'm not implying that there's a nefarious move by the NSP to delay permits, but the only way to hold a bureaucracy accountable is to keep a bright light shining on them.
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Well I put mine in 30 days ago so we're getting close.
15 more days
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4 more days will be 45 days
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Both Federal and State law say clearly that there is a right to bear arms, and there is a 4th Amendment right to do things in a way that government can't see you doing them; there is also a presumption of innocence that is fundamental to our law. That means you have a legal right to carry concealed whether or not you have bureaucratic permission to do so.
But since those who have no respect for the law have the power to put you in jail for noncompliance with their illegal edicts, you just have to wait until they get around to giving you permission.
This could be changed by our legislature, and maybe it will be, if enough patriots complain about what is apparently deliberate feet-dragging by so-called public servants. If we have a system in place that can tell more or less instantly whether or not you are eligible to buy a gun, I'd think that someone willing to invest the money and jump through the hoops to get a permit to exercise his Constitutional right should be given the benefit of the doubt, and given a temporary permit as soon as he applies.
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I should know this but I'm not sure so I'll ask: I assume open carry is legal in Nebraska; is that a correct assumption?
If it is, those who apply for a permit should be able to carry openly while they wait for the arrogant bureaucrats to get around to issuing their license to exercise their Constitutional right.
I'm not a big fan of open carry because I like to keep a low profile, and I like keeping a potential enemy as ignorant as possible about my capabilities. But given the right circumstances I would certainly carry that way, and having to wait for arrogant bureaucrats to issue a license could be one of those circumstances.
I started a thread on Survivalistboards.com awhile back regarding concealed versus open carry, and was surprised by the number of people saying that open carry was more or less common in the area they lived.
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I should know this but I'm not sure so I'll ask: I assume open carry is legal in Nebraska; is that a correct assumption?
Yes, but...
...in Omaha there are additional stupid hoops to jump through to "qualify" for open carry.
Everywhere else in the state, open carry is legal. (I'll note that this doesn't mean you won't garner unpleasant attention, merely that it is legal to do without any further requirements.)
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I started a thread on Survivalistboards.com awhile back regarding concealed versus open carry, and was surprised by the number of people saying that open carry was more or less common in the area they lived.
I'll bet that most of those who said so lived in strongly rural areas, with a low population density. (Not necessarily all, but most.)
These days, most cities and such have majority-level societal groups than frown on carrying weapons. (Not saying that this isn't stupid, just saying this is how population-dense places tend to be.) As such, open carry being common just isn't something that happens much, if at all.
I may be wrong---but I'd be surprised to hear it.
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These days, most cities and such have majority-level societal groups than frown on carrying weapons. (Not saying that this isn't stupid, just saying this is how population-dense places tend to be.) As such, open carry being common just isn't something that happens much, if at all.
Open carry being seen as a breach of a societal norm is a sign that we live in peaceful times, which to me is a good thing. And I have to say I'm one of the ones who doesn't like seeing it.
But if a person has his right to carry concealed arbitrarily delayed by an arrogant or incompetent bureaucracy, it's still worth considering, depending on the situation. And if everyone who was forced to wait because of these bureaucrats carried in the open while they had to wait, maybe someone would light a fire under the bureaucrats and get them off their rear ends.
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Just got mine in the mail: 42 days.
No criminal record of any kind (never even a speeding ticket) and a fairly unique name so wondering if that helped get it in under 45.
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I sometimes watch the open carry videos on you tube. Those videos, are trying to tick off uncle sam and I wish those people did not own guns. Open carry like they do in Switzerland is a much better way to go about it. Because so many people do it, and because their military is made up of home owners, everybody has a full auto rifle locked up at home, or on their shoulder. In the USA, open carry is more of a politically incorrect social statement, than a positive force, right or wrong.
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I'll bet that most of those who said so lived in strongly rural areas, with a low population density. (
Probably, and everyone knows everyone else. When I taught in Clarks, NE, a small village of 486 people, at the time, everyone knew everyone else. And, we knew immediately when a stranger came into town. We also knew most everyone's out of town relatives who came to visit now and then. So, when someone carried openly everyone knew him or her and didn't pay any attention. But, if an unknown person came into town carrying a weapon word got around very quickly. As the deputy marshal I got calls when unknowns came into town carrying. Even during pheasant season. I never stopped anyone but I kept an eye on them. On one occasion I got a call and went to Merrimman's bar to see who he was. He looked weird. He was wearing shabby clothing that didn't fit too well. Standing at the bar he was knocking down a pepsi in jerks. Very poor motor skills, as if he was on something or coming off of something. He had a vacant, thousand yard stare in his eyes. I noticed the right pocket of the jacket he was wearing was weighed down as if something very heavy was in it. Concealed firearm, I thought to myself? I asked for some ID. He ignored me. I asked again and he turned to face me and started walking toward me. I pulled my 9mm Espana and ordered him to halt. He turned around and began walking toward the door. I shouted "Halt!". When he put his hand into the pocket that was weighed down I pointed my pistol at him and pulled the hammer back on it. It was LOUD click, almost as loud as my knocking knees. Everyone dove under tables and chairs, or jumped behind the bar. He froze. After that he was compliant. I took him outside and handcuffed him. After a few moments on the radio I leaned that he matched the description of a man who had escaped from the mental institution at Hasting the night previous. He was there because he murdered someone but had been ruled insane.
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Probably, and everyone knows everyone else. When I taught in Clarks, NE, a small village of 486 people, at the time, everyone knew everyone else. And, we knew immediately when a stranger came into town. We also knew most everyone's out of town relatives who came to visit now and then. So, when someone carried openly everyone knew him or her and didn't pay any attention. But, if an unknown person came into town carrying a weapon word got around very quickly. As the deputy marshal I got calls when unknowns came into town carrying. Even during pheasant season. I never stopped anyone but I kept an eye on them. On one occasion I got a call and went to Merrimman's bar to see who he was. He looked weird. He was wearing shabby clothing that didn't fit too well. Standing at the bar he was knocking down a pepsi in jerks. Very poor motor skills, as if he was on something or coming off of something. He had a vacant, thousand yard stare in his eyes. I noticed the right pocket of the jacket he was wearing was weighed down as if something very heavy was in it. Concealed firearm, I thought to myself? I asked for some ID. He ignored me. I asked again and he turned to face me and started walking toward me. I pulled my 9mm Espana and ordered him to halt. He turned around and began walking toward the door. I shouted "Halt!". When he put his hand into the pocket that was weighed down I pointed my pistol at him and pulled the hammer back on it. It was LOUD click, almost as loud as my knocking knees. Everyone dove under tables and chairs, or jumped behind the bar. He froze. After that he was compliant. I took him outside and handcuffed him. After a few moments on the radio I leaned that he matched the description of a man who had escaped from the mental institution at Hasting the night previous. He was there because he murdered someone but had been ruled insane.
Thank You For Your Service!
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Good for you!! You put a bad guy back in (I hope, who knows what the courts did) In ones carrier (I am EMS) Sometimes the little thing we do make a difference, those are the ones we remember. Thank you, you may have saved a life.
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got mine in the mail today Day 43
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Received mine this past weekend. 43 days post application submission.
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I noticed the right pocket of the jacket he was wearing was weighed down as if something very heavy was in it. Concealed firearm, I thought to myself?
Awww....What was in the pocket??
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Awww....What was in the pocket??
Ah, I did forget to mention that. It was a six inch length of gas pipe with a cap on the end. He probably intended for it to be a club.
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My wife called me, and said, your license came today. I said, sweet. I said, did yours come? She said, no, not your CHP, your state business renewal license. I said, O that, eww.
So I guess I am quietly excited that the cycle is near a close on the CWP. Today was 45.
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Day 46, something came in the mail today. Both my wife's and my CHP cards, along with a congratulations letter from the State Patrol.
It was issued on the 42nd day, and arrived on the 46th day, so I believe that falls into the compliance of the state law statutes for those keeping score.
When we applied, being a gentleman, I had my wife go first, yet on the ID cards, which are chronological, my number is before hers.
This is my second CHP. My first, issued in Iowa, was over 30 years ago in an age where few people had permits to have a concealed weapon. The Iowa permit listed the weapon, and only that weapon could be used. I had them squeeze in a second weapon, that I also carried as a back up.
I remind myself and others, this is not a superman permit, where the world needs a superhero, and there is always a phone booth near by. This is pretty much an ace card hidden in your sock, and the poker pot needs to be a hand that requires you to use it once, then the game is over.
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Day 41 today....and there it was sitting in my mail box.
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Day 46 and wife and I both got ours. Issued on day 42. Time to start shopping something a bit more discreet than my FS M&P 45. Better hurry though, wife is already making comments about how much purse space her SD9 takes up. :-X
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Day 46 and wife and I both got ours. Issued on day 42. Time to start shopping something a bit more discreet than my FS M&P 45. Better hurry though, wife is already making comments about how much purse space her SD9 takes up. :-X
Our numbers are twins! We were 42 & 46 also!
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I ran out to the Omaha station today to file my permit paperwork. There were 3 guys in line ahead of me, but the two young ladies doing the processing went quickly, so it only took about 20 minutes and went without a hitch. Like anything else with a bureaucracy, if you show up with the right documents and stamps, it usually goes easily. I asked for a copy in case I have a chance to apply for the UT or FL permits too and they gladly gave me a printout.
The only thing that piqued my interest was the comment from one of the young women who finished up with the guy ahead of me and mumbled something like, "You should see your permit in the mail in 7-10 weeks." I wasn't sure I heard her correctly, but she repeated it to me on the way out.
I can only think that she is either ill-informed, merely repeating what she's been told, or telling folks in order to manage expectations. There's a chance it could be a combination of all or some of those possibilities as well.
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That is what they are telling people. I was in yesterday to get my renewal and they said "average of 40-70 days" for initial permits. I was told mine must come within 5 business days in the mail. ;)
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Yeah, I submitted my paperwork on March 12th and they told me 8-10 weeks. The two women, and the Troopers who were in that area, were all pretty friendly, so I kept my mouth shut. Not something they control.
Edit: Approved the 17th, received the 19th. 8)
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Submitted mine on April 2nd at the Omaha NSP office. Had to go twice, had the wrong birth certificate the first time. Both times there was one person in front of me and I was in and out within 20 minutes. The young lady said five to seven weeks.
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Spotless record = 38 days.
These past couple days I've been getting antsy and checking the mailbox was a priority. Lo and behold, a card awarding me my God-given right was in the mailbox today!
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Hello everyone: I've been lurking here for a couple months and decided to join. I've learned a lot from you folks and thank you very much. I turned in my paperwork in Omaha on March 21 and my card was in the mail today. I wasn't expecting it this quick. Thanks again. Steve
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Hello everyone: I've been lurking here for a couple months and decided to join. I've learned a lot from you folks and thank you very much. I turned in my paperwork in Omaha on March 21 and my card was in the mail today. I wasn't expecting it this quick. Thanks again. Steve
Welcome to the forum AND to the world of CC (if you haven't already had a CHP). Now go out there and be the most respectable and safe CHP'er out there so we can prove the nay-sayers wrong.
Fly
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Hello everyone: I've been lurking here for a couple months and decided to join. I've learned a lot from you folks and thank you very much. I turned in my paperwork in Omaha on March 21 and my card was in the mail today. I wasn't expecting it this quick. Thanks again. Steve
By my count, that's 34 days. Tomorrow I hit 30 days since I turned in my app. Hopefully I'll have a similar experience and will see it next week.
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My dad received his permit in 41 days.
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My dad received his permit in 41 days.
Welcome To The Forum!
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Day 42 and it's here. Happy with how it all worked out.
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Mine arrived in the mail today. 37 days. My only complaint is with the picture.
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Receive my permit today, 37 days. They told me to expect it to take 6 to 7 weeks and with all that i had read on the forum, the process went exactly how i expected. I'm happy i didn't have to pester them on day 45, as far as I'm concerned most all civil servants can use a break. With all the budget cuts being required to do the same amount of work with less gets real old.
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You guys be careful with your new permits! Congratulations!
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38 days.
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NSP told me 4-6 weeks when I submitted mine on Tuesday 6/4.
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I submitted my application to the Omaha Troop on Tuesday May 14th, just recieved my permit in the mail today. 35 days.
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Omaha....Applied June 4...received July 10. :D
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Very old thread; however ..... 3 weeks .....
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Applied in Omaha on March 14 and received my CHP yesterday. 27 days
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I want to say I got mine in 10 - 14 days after applying in Omaha, I remember being surprised how quickly I got it.
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mine was all of 28 days in omaha.
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30 days in Omaha
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Received at 31 days
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Does this include weekends?
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Does this include weekends?
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Calendar days, not business days
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27 days!
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Got it in 15 calendar days! :)
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Got it in 15 calendar days! :)
Its based on how good your instructor is. Great instructor and your permit comes lightning fast. Lol
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That explains the "Guns 2 Roses - expedite!" in-box I saw them put it in. :)
I wore my best bespoke Savile Row suit for the photo too. Maybe that helped. Figured if yer gonna get fingerprinted like a criminal, you might as well do it with panache. (Too bad they zoomed in too close to see much of it in the pic.)
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The fast turn around tells me fewer people are applying ? I wonder if during the height of the ammo shortage scare, if people were applying for CHPs in greater numbers ?
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The fast turn around tells me fewer people are applying ? I wonder if during the height of the ammo shortage scare, if people were applying for CHPs in greater numbers ?
The article by John Lott that was recently posted by someone (gunscribe maybe?) indicated CCW permit demand is way up, nationally. Locally it might just be that June is a good month of the year, or simple luck.
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The article by John Lott that was recently posted by someone (gunscribe maybe?) indicated CCW permit demand is way up, nationally. Locally it might just be that June is a good month of the year, or simple luck.
Or the NSP is better staffed, or more streamlined/efficient as of late?
Fly
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The article by John Lott that was recently posted by someone (gunscribe maybe?) indicated CCW permit demand is way up, nationally. Locally it might just be that June is a good month of the year, or simple luck.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/07/new-report-from-crime-prevention-research-center-shows-11-1-million-americans-hold-concealed-carry-permits/ (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/07/new-report-from-crime-prevention-research-center-shows-11-1-million-americans-hold-concealed-carry-permits/)
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,12330.0.html (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,12330.0.html)
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Or the NSP is better staffed, or more streamlined/efficient as of late?
Fly
That theory makes no sense because it contradicts my theory that the fast turnaround was due to my immense charm and personal magnetism.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/07/new-report-from-crime-prevention-research-center-shows-11-1-million-americans-hold-concealed-carry-permits/ (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/07/new-report-from-crime-prevention-research-center-shows-11-1-million-americans-hold-concealed-carry-permits/)
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,12330.0.html (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,12330.0.html)
Yeah. The Lott article points out that the 11.1 million number is the lowest estimate, due to states that don't report, etc. I'd sure like to see Nebraska's issuance numbers pulled out specifically. The Lott article had us as a very low issuance state in terms of population, but it wasn't clear on how old the data were.
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Sorry. Double post. Deleted. Darn ipad.
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Lott's data for Nebraska wasn't too old. We are just over 34,000 now. (as of a couple weeks ago)
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Here is the link to Crime Prevention Research: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/ (http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/)
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From the day I applied to the day it came in the mail was 32 total calendar days.
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14 days from app to receipt.
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14 days exactly. Good thing too. Wife was getting tired of me waiting on the mailman.
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I turned my application in on Sept 19th, today is day 25 and nada but when I called the gall said they were averaging about 30 days right now.
Here's to hoping it comes this week as I'm out of town next week.
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I turned my application in on Sept 19th, today is day 25 and nada but when I called the gall said they were averaging about 30 days right now.
Here's to hoping it comes this week as I'm out of town next week.
I applied the same day at Troop A, while it's nice having something good to look forward to in the mail...I wish it would just get here already.
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I got my CCW permit in 10 days , maybe because I had a FBI background check when I was in the Air Force.
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Mine came today, making it 35 days total.
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Mine came today, making it 35 days total.
Mine arrived today as well, and I believe we applied same day.
Very happy to have it in my possession.
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I turned in my application on Wednesday, October 15th and received my permit today, November 5th.
Three weeks, or 21 days, from application to permit. Not bad! Very happy to finally have it.
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Exactly 40 days.
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Just went to the troopers station here in Omaha on Wednesday to renew my permit, they said it would take 5-10 days to get the new one.
One thing I did notice, when I originally did my applicaiton 5 years ago they had one heck of a time getting my prints (really dry hands), but the girl was all over it this time. Experience pays off I guess.
Ron
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And received it in this mornings mail. WOOT! A 3 day turn around, NSP is doing a great job.
Ron
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22 days :D
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I'm getting impatient too. I applied on January 21. I was led to believe that the delivery time was averaging only 20ish days. I'm still waiting. Arrgg....
My 45th day is March 7. Am I correct though that 45 days means 45 CALENDAR days and not BUSINESS days?
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I'm getting impatient too. I applied on January 21. I was led to believe that the delivery time was averaging only 20ish days. I'm still waiting. Arrgg....
My 45th day is March 7. Am I correct though that 45 days means 45 CALENDAR days and not BUSINESS days?
Calendar days..... If it doesn't show up by then, call the Lincoln NSP CID office and politely ask them the status of your permit. I've been hearing approx 30 day turnarounds recently
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Received my renewal in mail today, 5 business days exactly like I was told. Hats off to troop D at North Platte, great bunch of people. :D
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Still waiting on day 35.
And as luck would have it day 45 will be on a Saturday, so if it's not here by then I assume I won't be able to check on it until the following Monday. Arggg....
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And it came in the mail on day 36. Yes!!
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It took mine about 6 weeks little over a year ago when i got mine. I will say tho when i changed addresses i had mine in 2 days i was very impressed with the turn around time. I have heard other people say the same when only making changes.
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I applied Feb. 11. Nothing yet.
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Got it today. Exactly 6 weeks from application.
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According to Nebraska State Statue §69-2430 it states that the permit shall be issued within 45 days after applying.
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Applied May 11, permit arrived in mail June 24. 44 days. I wonder if they let applications sit until the 45 day deadline approaches.
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Five business day turnaround for my renewal.
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Applied May 11, permit arrived in mail June 24. 44 days. I wonder if they let applications sit until the 45 day deadline approaches.
That hasn't usually been the case. The processing times have fluctuated over the past couple years. There for awhile they were exceeding the mandated 45 day timeframe. We found that staffing turnover was mostly responsible for that. Once they were properly staffed again the processing times were eventually reduced to 3 weeks or so. The volume of applications they receive also varies too. Over the winter I'd heard of folks getting their permit in as few as 15 days from application. So there are many factors that affect processing times. I have not heard anything that would indicate an intentional delay in processing applications.
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The wife should be submitting her app tomorrow morning so I can give you some idea of where they at with timing.
*edit* it was actually submitted on 6-30.
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I'm awaiting my renewal now, I turned it in last Friday so we'll see how long it takes.
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I turned in my paperwork into the Omaha patrol 6-15-15 and had my concealed carry license in the mail 7-15-15. Total time of 4 weeks is good.
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Today is day 30 for me. Turned it in on 16 June. Hopefully, it won't be much longer. Update: Got it on day 31.
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i submitted my prints Mon, July 13 and received my permit Wed, July 22. this was for a renewal.
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I had resubmit my application from anew. Whats the current wait time?
Interestingly they cashed my check within 2 days of my application which had me worried. I might be confused with the e-forms/form 1 process. Usually they cash the check or charge the card once they are processing it and near completion.
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My wife just turned her paper work in yesterday at the Troop B office. The lady taking her paper work said, it could take up to 4 months to receive her permit.
Pete
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My wife just turned her paper work in yesterday at the Troop B office. The lady taking her paper work said, it could take up to 4 months to receive her permit.
Pete
That's interesting. I wonder how she determined 4 months. They have 45 days by statute. If she gets to 45 days and still doesn't have it let us know and we'll let you know who to call and how to handle it.
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I'm hoping she mean to say 4 "weeks", not 4 "months". I just completed my CHP training on Sat, 4/16 and called first thing Monday for an appt at the Lincoln CID. Soonest they could get me in was May 5th. Ugh.
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In my opinion this whole "by appointment only" crap is just a way to skirt the statutory 45 days to issue written into the law
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My wife had to wait for two weeks to get her appointment in Norfolk. The lady at the desk might have told me a little more than she should have. I mentioned that there must be a huge amount of people getting CCW's these days with a 2 week wait. She said they only schedule a few a day. Now how many is a few? My wife went early and didn't wait. When we left the lady doing the paper work said she was done for the day. That was 3:00.
Now, maybe they only do CCW apps on certain days.
BP
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before i waited 2 weeks i would drive to omaha or another office to get my permit done with no apt:
i think dan is correct it's all smoke and mirrors to make people jump thru hoops ..
by the way they act you would think with out an apt they would have a line out the door and down the block ... lol ... when in reality they only do a few per day it takes longer to clean the glass on the scanner then it does to take the finger prints ... you give each finger , both hands as a whole and the blade edge of both palms this does not take that long
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It has been 6 weeks for me since I visited Omaha's NSP office. Still waiting for my "CHP" .. since NE does not issue a "CCW"
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It has been 6 weeks for me since I visited Omaha's NSP office. Still waiting for my "CHP" .. since NE does not issue a "CCW"
Thought maybe tnorris0143 could shed some light one this.
Ya, I understand the CHP and CCW thing and what it stand for. It has probably been discussed before.
I wonder why the State Patrol website doesn't list CHP but does have CCW listed several times. They say concealed handgun permit on forms but never use CHP. At least doing a search on the website doesn't bring up CHP.
Just curious,
bigdog
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Imagine my wonder (ahh moment) when I found that out.
So, if I am in NE and just happen to have a knife (Gerber included) in my pocket, the LEO can (at his judgement) decide if that is considered a concealed weapon. If so, then I lose my Permit to Carry a Handgun card - forever. :(
Any other state clearly list CCW: and then name off items you can carry legally (eg. knife, firearm, baton, etc.). I think this may be one of the reasons NE fails to reciprocate with other states -- which may have changed recently, though with updates that Iowa has provided to their training courses.
anyone else have inputs?
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Imagine my wonder (ahh moment) when I found that out.
So, if I am in NE and just happen to have a knife (Gerber included) in my pocket, the LEO can (at his judgement) decide if that is considered a concealed weapon. If so, then I lose my Permit to Carry a Handgun card - forever. :(
Any other state clearly list CCW: and then name off items you can carry legally (eg. knife, firearm, baton, etc.). I think this may be one of the reasons NE fails to reciprocate with other states -- which may have changed recently, though with updates that Iowa has provided to their training courses.
anyone else have inputs?
Make sure the knife isn't longer than 3 1/2 inches, or clip it to your pocket so it isn't concealed.
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Hey Tnorris, I noticed apr 21 you mentioned it had been 6 weeks, any update?
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Hey Tnorris, I noticed apr 21 you mentioned it had been 6 weeks, any update?
None at all :(
no paperwork, no card, not even a phone call.
Guess I should try to call Lincoln and see if there is an issue.
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Just called Lincoln.
It was issued on 6 MAY 2016.
It will be mailed out today .. I should get it this week.
Ms Pam was awesome and provided me with my permit number in the meantime.
;D
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Whenever Im breaking the law, Im usually nice too.
So about Mar 10 is your app date? I was mar 23 so I should be up soon.
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Whenever Im breaking the law, Im usually nice too.
So about Mar 10 is your app date? I was mar 23 so I should be up soon.
LOL
I went in on 18th of March and had everything submitted then.
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May 3 would have been your day then. Not too bad.
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I went in on 18th of March and had everything submitted then.
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May 3 would have been your day then. Not too bad.
49 calendar days
35 duty days ..
:) .. I should get it TUE or WED this week.
Heck I was able to get my Stag Arms in 15 seconds years ago .. I just thought it was funny to wait so long, but understand that it was a very busy time for the State Patrol. Other states complete the task at local Sheriff Departments, so you generally obtain the ID right then and there.
Sucks to be a civilian sometimes I suppose :)
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Sucks to be a civilian sometimes I suppose :)
Sucks to have a criminal gang in control of state and local government. But it could be worse: at least Nebraska pretends to uphold the law.
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NM...
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Applied Mar 23.
I'm at 50 days now, 51 tomorrow.
tnorris did you get yours yet?
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Call them. They have 45 days to issue.
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Thanks.
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1 Day shy of 8 weeks :) -- finally have it in-hand (well, ok, in wallet right next to my DL)
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Hello! just for a more recent update on the turnaround time. I submitted my application Tuesday, Mar 7. and waited the full 45 days until Friday, April 21.
I called NSP troop-A that day and there was no answer. I left a message asking them to call me back and by the following Monday afternoon, April 24, I had yet to receive a call. I called again and they tell me it had been issued that day (day 48) HOW CONVENIENT!, and to wait for it in the mail.
I just received it in the mail today, Wednesday, April 26.
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Renewals are fairly quick.
Mine (second 5-year renewal) went in on April 17 from Troop A. Came in the mail today, April 26. Can't holler too much about that arrangement.
And the date of the new CHP began one day following the expiration date of the old CHP. (I seem to recall a coupla months of paid-up CHP time being chopped off my first renewal because I renewed coupla months early, but won't swear to it.)
FWIW,
sfg
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I went in to the Lincoln office at 4 pm on 4/20 and received my permit today 4/27. Same day and month for expiration just for 2022.
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Went to NSP on afternoon May 1 to submit paperwork for my CCW renewal...today's mail, May 8 contained the new card. Seven days turnaround time. Pleasant experience/nice people out there.
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Submitted mine to the Omaha NSP location on May 18th.
Its been 31 days. Brother got his in the mail 5 weeks 3 days after he applied back in March.
Hope to have mine sooner than later.
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Submitted mine to the Omaha NSP location on May 18th.
Its been 31 days. Brother got his in the mail 5 weeks 3 days after he applied back in March.
Hope to have mine sooner than later.
Mine was approved on 6/20. I am being told that the printer is down for the NSP in Lincoln. Been out for over a week. Repair guy has been out and trying to get it up and running.
Hoping sooner than later.
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Second renewal submitted at Omaha NSP on Monday July 10 and arrived in my mailbox Saturday July 15. My initial and first renewal were also submitted through the Omaha NSP and this second renewal was by far the best experience. My wife renewed at the same time and we both were complete in under 10 minutes including fingerprints and photos.
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I applied for my CCW permit Jan 3 2020, been 39 days today 2/11/2020. I called Lincoln NSP CID office to check on the status of the app. I was informed that "it's 45 BUSINESS days and you had better plan to wait the full 45 BUSINESS days). I asked to speak to a supervisor, as I thought it was calendar days. The other female who picked up the line after I was on hold says "we only work M-Friday, anything else?" I ask if she is informing me that 45 calender days is not what the law authorizing CCW intended, and she said "yep".
Is it calendar days or business days?
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It is 45 calendar days
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Here is the actual reference for use as needed,
John K
Nebraska Revised Statute 69-2430
(3)(b) Beginning January 1, 2010, the permit to carry a concealed handgun shall be issued by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five days after the date an application for the permit has been made by the applicant if the applicant has complied with this section and has met all the requirements of section 69-2433.