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General Categories => Non Gun Stuff => Topic started by: metaldoc on January 26, 2012, 09:31:37 AM
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Curious as to what some of you might think. I'm not defending these people in any way, but take note of what is considered 'bomb making' material and also 'lots of guns'...
http://www.yorknewstimes.com/news/article_21f4b7e8-4765-11e1-b3c2-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.yorknewstimes.com/news/article_21f4b7e8-4765-11e1-b3c2-0019bb2963f4.html)
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I must be missing it, were does it describe the specific bomb making materials?
- Shawn
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On the page with the story there is a link taking you to photos of the confiscated items..
Click here for photos (http://yorknewstimes.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=1401963&CategoryID=50215)
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Take out the meth and we're all pretty much screwed. :o
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I couldn't identify much outside of a piece of wire and some CO2 cartridges. I suppose the gun powder in the ammunition could have been removed and used to make a bomb, though. Yes, we probably all have "bomb making materials" in our homes, but unless there is some evidence indicating we're actually building bombs, I don't think we have to worry about this kind of thing. It is troublesome to me, though, how the media always makes a big deal out of finding guns...anywhere...even if they weren't being used for any illegal purposes.
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Cold pack contents can be used to make home made Tannerite if mixed with powdered aluminum. Hardly a bomb. Can be bought and sold legally by mail
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Keep in mind more than 1 gun is an "arsenal" and four 500 packs of .22 LR is "thousands of rounds of ammunition"
Also, I am an NRA instructor, certified by the NSP to teach CHP courses, been around, trained and hunted with firearms since being a young'un, but I appear to be ignorant about the difference in "standard rifles" and "assualt-style" rifles. :blank:
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bullit:
That distinction always bothers me, too. Even if you could nail down a difference...so what? Now, if they were illegal guns, I could see making mention of it, but otherwise...
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Jeez guys, do I gotta e'splain everything? The standard rifles have wood stocks, the assault style rifle was black-ish with a place to stick a clip in for ammo type stuff. It looks sorta scary, so it's a assault rifle.
Any other questions? I'll be around all week..
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In the video the reporter states, "lots of guns were found." That really bothers me when they tie it into a story like this because it conditions the uninformed masses that "lot's" of guns = evil, bad, drug dealers, etc by association.
Apparently some fuse and a bottle of Pyrodex is at least part of the bomb making supplies...
No doubt law enforcement wants to paint this scenario as bad as they can to help nail these people, but the overall picture being painted of even having some guns puts all gun owners in a bad light.
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The local rag here tends to throw the gun in the headline along with drugs, then in the first couple of sentences, the person was cited for (on top of everything else) a concealed weapon, which I feel demonizes even the legal CCW. I really wish they would state it as a illegally concealed weapon. Then of course later on in the article, the weapon ends up being a bb gun.
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Gotta love the skull and cross bones box too.
EEEEEEeeeevil
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Just for the record, I want to clarify that I'm not bashing the Sheriff's office here. The York County sheriff is a strong 2A proponent and runs a good department. I dread the day when he decides to hang it up.
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Just for the record, I want to clarify that I'm not bashing the Sheriff's office here. The York County sheriff is a strong 2A proponent and runs a good department. I dread the day when he decides to hang it up.
That would open it up for you to run for sheriff. ;D
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That would open it up for you to run for sheriff. ;D
LOL! Now that's a retirement option I'd never considered! Actually, it would be a good reason for you to come out of retirement and move back!
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oh, forgot.
congrats to the local pd for the meth bust.
too bad the extra 'paint them as evil' stuff was... well... fluffy fud.
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Yes... I got no beef for the LEOs. Kudos for them enforcing the law. The media are the one displaying stupidity.
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Keep in mind more than 1 gun is an "arsenal" and four 500 packs of .22 LR is "thousands of rounds of ammunition"
Also, I am an NRA instructor, certified by the NSP to teach CHP courses, been around, trained and hunted with firearms since being a young'un, but I appear to be ignorant about the difference in "standard rifles" and "assualt-style" rifles. :blank:
That caught my eye too. Pretty typical of modern journalism, unfortunately. Maybe if journalists actually knew something about the world before they started writing about it...
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Cold pack contents can be used to make home made Tannerite if mixed with powdered aluminum. Hardly a bomb. Can be bought and sold legally by mail
Cold pack contents (assuming that the cold pack uses ammonium nitrate) can also be used to make ANFO, the high explosive blasting agent that McVeigh used to blow up the federal building. Of course, in a farm state like Nebraska with large quantities of fertilizer around, ice packs seem like an expensive way to get ammonium nitrate if you are a wannabe terrorist looking for a stable ingredient for making "bad guy" explosive devices, rather than a firearm hobbyist looking to brew your own exploding targets/stump removal devices.
But yeah, ammonium nitrate is what I think of when I read "As to Lear’s alleged intentions with making bombs, Lt. Paul Vrbka said that is unclear and that aspect remains under investigation. 'But these materials are very indicative with assembling bombs, we just don’t know what they were intended for, at this point.'"
The other possibility that springs to mind is that this guy had some kind of crazy looking project going with protruding wires or something that just looked "bomb-like."
I'm a libertarian, so I don't like laws prohibiting the possession of substances, whether they be the psychoactive kind or the violently reactive kind. But with that said, I don't have much respect for a guy who is smoking meth and building bombs with kids in the house. If you want to endanger yourself, fine, but don't be reckless with your kid's life.
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Apparently some fuse and a bottle of Pyrodex is at least part of the bomb making supplies...
I guess I'm in trouble then.
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The other possibility that springs to mind is that this guy had some kind of crazy looking project going with protruding wires or something that just looked "bomb-like."
< hides his copper plating experiments >
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THAT is the best arsenal a drug dealer can put together!?! How disappointing, a beat-up shotgun, couple of .22's and some old deer-rifles, just wow. Couldn't they get a hold of at least one of those guns that Al Pacino had in the movie 'Heat'? Worst of all their lone 'assault-type' rifle appears to be a Kel-Tec. Have they no shame? They need to move to Old Mexico so the Feds can outfit them properly.
I'm not even going to comment on that Jennings or Lorcin Handgun in the last pic.
Notice that one of those 'standard' rifles had duct-tape on it....clearly an attempt to illegally modify it. Alert the ATF, they need to add that to the list along with shoe-strings.
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During the search, investigators seized numerous items including three digital scales, four glass pipes with drug residue that field tested positive for methamphetamine; 10 bags containing what was suspected to be marijuana; two metal pipes with marijuana residue; two handguns; two pistols, an assault rifle; six long guns; and explosive components that were identified by an NSP sergeant (who is a hazardous devices technician) as items used to make explosive devices/bombs.
The bold part worries me a little bit. It could be construed that many of us who enjoy the shooting sports could be in possession of these items.
Wasn't aware of a permit needed from the NSP either...
possession of explosive material/components (by a person ineligible to obtain a permit from the Nebraska State Patrol, yet possessed and stored explosive materials);
http://www.yorknewstimes.com/news/article_04f9c846-5e66-11e1-9d51-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.yorknewstimes.com/news/article_04f9c846-5e66-11e1-9d51-0019bb2963f4.html)
Again, NOT defending these people in any way and maybe Law enforcement is just building the best case they can, but it worries me that precedents get set (or at least public mindsets) detrimental to law abiding gun owners.