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General Categories => Carry Issues => Topic started by: cckyle on February 20, 2013, 02:52:46 AM
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I was stopped at 0140 for no license plate on the front of my vehicle. It had fallen off when I bumped into a parking pole thing a short while back and I have had it in the front window since. It went well. I informed him I was a chp holder and was armed. He asked me where it was I told him the glove box. Asked me if I had one in the pipe I said yes. He then asked for my id and let me fumble through the glove box with the firearm in it to get my insurance and registration. He left the firearm with me and just asked that I keep my hands on the wheel and not lean over. Gave me a fix it ticket and then thanked me for my conduct regarding the firearm and said I did exactly what I was suppose too. This was a Fremont police officer. Couldn't have gone better imo
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Glad all went well. :) Before he hit the lights, the officer knew you were a CCW holder because of DMV records. The plate was his way of pulling you over to see if you were compliant. Had you not told him you had a CCW permit, your first stop could have been your last one. For those here reading this thread, Nebraska law requires you to tell any contacting police officer, or rescue worker, you have a CCW permit, even if you do not have a gun on you. Failing to do so, is a felony.
In times past, while I have had a gun and get stopped, I always break down my Glock, and remove all the ammo from the mag. I then distribute the "mess" across my dash, so the officer can see I am no threat to them.
In the future, with a CCW, I may still do the same. Started the license process today, 2.5 hour wait at the State Patrol. We got there about 2:30 and it was almost 5 when we got out. 45 business days is more like 2.5 months, so around April 23rd, is our date.
Remember, a gun in your glove box is OK as long as you are alone in your car. With passengers, everyone needs a CCW permit because under the law, everyone is concealing the gun, even people that do not know you have a gun.
With passengers, best to keep your gun on your body.
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Gary:
Your interpretation does not match what I have been told by instructors and LEOs. If you are not carrying a handgun you do not need to tell them you have a CHP.
019.02 A permit holder carrying a concealed handgun who is officially contacted by any peace officer or emergency services personnel must immediately inform the peace officer or emergency service personnel of the concealed handgun unless physically unable to do so.
Most LEOs said it would be nice if you told them you had a CHP and were not carrying any firearm, but the rule above states "carrying a concealed handgun" not "anytime you are officially contacted".
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Before he hit the lights, the officer knew you were a CCW holder because of DMV records.
Gary you would be wrong on the above comment....a Nebraska CHP is in no way tied to your ones license plate. It is associated with your Driver's License/State ID card. It is also incorrect in that not INFORMING the LEO you are a permit holder is a felony....it is a Class III misdemeanor first offense and Class I misdemeanor for any second or subsequent with your permit subject to revocation. 028.02
As an instructor my advice to future and current CHP holders is simply comply with the officer's commands i.e. don't make any sudden or furtive movements before he/she gets to your car door. You may get more than you bargain for pulling your firearm, disassembling hurridly (sp?), etc. .... just my humble two cents.....
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I'm with bullit on this one. i take it one step further however, by turning on the interior light and rolling all windows down. Yeah, it can get chilly, but at least they know for certain you are the only occupant in the vehicle.
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Gary you would be wrong on the above comment....a Nebraska CHP is in no way tied to your ones license plate. It is associated with your Driver's License/State ID card. It is also incorrect in that not INFORMING the LEO you are a permit holder is a felony....it is a Class III misdemeanor first offense and Class I misdemeanor for any second or subsequent with your permit subject to revocation. 028.02
As an instructor my advice to future and current CHP holders is simply comply with the officer's commands i.e. don't make any sudden or furtive movements before he/she gets to your car door. You may get more than you bargain for pulling your firearm, disassembling hurridly (sp?), etc. .... just my humble two cents.....
Don't say nuthin' 'bout Texas either. :)
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I forgot to mention...drivers side window was down and interior dome lights were on. If you are a CHP holder and are not armed, you do not have to declare that you are CHP holder. However I hear it is the courteous thing to do and most likely would do so if I was ever stopped unarmed (which will most likely never happen). I'm not sure if this officer knew when he was walking up to my window that I was a CHP holder. I get the feeling that he did not know, as he did not even turn his spot light on and didn't bother shining a flashlight in when he walked up. Maybe that was because I had my dome lights though. If he ran my plates (which are registered to me), then looked me up he could have known that I was a CHP holder ahead of time. But again I got the sense that he hadn't done that and was unaware. It was a pretty short time from when I pulled over until he was out the car and at my window.
I would not be caught disassembling a firearm as an officer walks up to my window. I would much rather have my hands on the wheel in plain sight as I tell him/her I am a CHP holder and am armed. That's what they taught in my class, and if I was an LEO I might feel a little uneasy if I walked up to a vehicle on a stop and the driver had a slide and frame in his or her hands.
This officer let me fumble through the glove box looking for my registration/proof of insurance with a loaded glock in that glove box. So either he knew he had a quicker draw than me, or my actions made the officer feel as though I was in no way a threat to him. I think it was the ladder of the two, and probably the first as well.
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f you are a CHP holder and are not armed, you do not have to declare that you are CHP holder. However I hear it is the courteous thing to do and most likely would do so if I was ever stopped unarmed (which will most likely never happen). I'm not sure if this officer knew when he was walking up to my window that I was a CHP holder. I get the feeling that he did not know, as he did not even turn his spot light on and didn't bother shining a flashlight in when he walked up. Maybe that was because I had my dome lights though. If he ran my plates (which are registered to me), then looked me up he could have known that I was a CHP holder ahead of time.
I think you handled it well. I would ALWAYS advise even if not carrying to inform them. It can't hurt and will make them feel better about you instead of when they come back after running your DL and seeing that you have a CHP...again just MY opinion. Again, there is NO connection with your license plates (personal or otherwise) related to your CHP. In short, he would not know until running your DL, you informing him, etc. etc.
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Gary you would be wrong on the above comment....a Nebraska CHP is in no way tied to your ones license plate. It is associated with your Driver's License/State ID card. It is also incorrect in that not INFORMING the LEO you are a permit holder is a felony....it is a Class III misdemeanor first offense and Class I misdemeanor for any second or subsequent with your permit subject to revocation. 028.02
The instructor I had was/is an Omaha Police officer
He told us when ever your Driver's License/State ID card is run by an officer (at least in the state) it flashes their computer screen some how.
I didn't get to ask if it did so when they ran the License plate or if it was just the Driver's License or State ID card that flashed it.
But I'd say it's a better practice to inform the Officer you have it regardless of if your carrying or not.
Could be it will save you from getting your Car tossed just to see if not telling them for some reason.
Or maybe they saw you were out drinking and want to check you out to see if your complying or not.
That brings up a thought I had ....You can't carry concealed if your drinking.... but putting your carry into a locked box is still concealing it.
So you need also to unload it too so you in compliance with the law.... right ?
I was kinda wondering if the wife would be questioned about any guns if she got pulled over driving my car or not if I wasn't in it.
Now i have all kinds of weird scenario's that just keep running through my mind since i took my class.
The Strangest Part was when I did my range qualification part of the class ...
It hit me Like when I first Joined the Army all those years ago.
I had to decide once again If I could kill someone else if needed.
And I'd tell anyone else thinking about gettin a CCP/CCW permit make no mistake if you ever have to pull and use your weapon it will be a Shoot to Kill situation.
It's one of those Sobering cold sweat type moments that i hope everyone goes through before deciding to carry outside the home.
Enough for me my heads starting to hurt thinking about it.
Phantom
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The instructor I had was/is an Omaha Police officer
He told us when ever your Driver's License/State ID card is run by an officer (at least in the state) it flashes their computer screen some how.
I didn't get to ask if it did so when they ran the License plate or if it was just the Driver's License or State ID card that flashed it.
When an Officer runs data check on the plate, only the registration information comes up. When he does a data check on your DL, then the CHP permit status shows. The reason that your CHP permit is not tied to your license plate is that other people could be driving your vehicle, like your spouse or children. Which begs the question about other states tying CCW permit information to the license plates. Suppose you let your wife, or other relative drive your vehicle, and you are in a "must inform" state, and the LEO runs the plate, and it flashes that its tied to a CCW permit holder, so the LEO approaches the window expecting the driver to declare a firearm, but your wife or other person that you let your vehicle doesn't have one? Then it needs to get sorted out.
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I am curious where some of you have the idea that your CHP is tied to your license plate, especially in another state.... does not compute....being from TX, CHP not tied to a license plate. A brother I have in OK confirms the same there
I was kinda wondering if the wife would be questioned about any guns if she got pulled over driving my car or not if I wasn't in it.
Why would she be questioned? In fact, she is not obliged to answer should she be questioned without reasonable articulable suspicion or probable cause. I suppose if she were stopped said and informed the officer there was a concealed HG in the car and she did not have a CHP, things might become interesting for her....but again why would she?
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In times past, while I have had a gun and get stopped, I always break down my Glock, and remove all the ammo from the mag. I then distribute the "mess" across my dash, so the officer can see I am no threat to them.
In the future, with a CCW, I may still do the same.
If someone told you this was a good idea, they were wrong. If this is something you came up with on your own forget it. This is not only completely unnecessary but dangerous.
Why in the world would you complicate a regular traffic stop by handling your weapon? How is an LEO supposed to know that you are unloading and disassembling your gun? Having a weapon in your hand during a traffic stop, whatever your intention might be, could get you shot. Thats obviously not good for you, and its also not good for the LEO that you put in that position.
I dont want to sound harsh, but didnt you recently complete a CCW course? Posting that you would even consider doing this may say something about the Instructor and their course. Or it may be that you simply didnt pay attention and have your own ideas about such matters (Im sure every Instructor on here has dealt with students that would fall into the category of "in one ear, out the other")
Dont take this personally. I just dont want to read about any CCW holder being mistakenly shot by LE because they were misinformed on how to act when stopped.
- Shawn
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I too have been stopped in Fremont, while I had firearms in the car... :)
This is how it went...(pre-CHP) I was Northbound over the rail overpass about 700am on a Saturday morning. The speed limit drops to 25 MPH at top of bridge. I backed off gas but did not brake quick enough for the patrolman shooting radar from the school parking lot. He pulls out behind me with lights on and I turn onto a cross street to clear the main traffic flow. Window on truck comes down and hands are on the wheel when he walks up. First question after greetings was... "Do you have any firearms on you or in the vehicle?" I smiled - replied "Yes sir, I do.." He stepped back away from the open window and asked what / where... "Well sir, I have 5 shotguns and 10 rifles with ammunition in my truck headed for a Boy Scout camp out and shooting program..." He looked in, saw what I had and asked for licence / registration... I smiled again.. "Sir, I have to get out of the car to unpack the front passenger seat to get to the glove box.." He lets me out and I dig down to the glove box while he stands by the passenger side. Looks over the items, has a few more questions and then we get to talking about scout camp and how he had gone there for a few years when he was in a troop in Fremont. "Suggestion" to watch the speed limit in Fremont and have a safe, fun campout.......
And away we go..................... ;D
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Before he hit the lights, the officer knew you were a CCW holder because of DMV records.
Not true. CHP is tied to your driver's license not your vehicle registration.
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Maybe I'm just new-fashioned, but what is all this talk about the 'wife' driving your car and having to worry about YOUR CHP status or YOUR gun in the lock box. Shouldn't she be more worried about declaring HER CHP status and the location of HER firearm?
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Me, wrong? It has happened before. Not often, but it has happened.
The first time I was wrong, dates way back. I was about 5 or 6. My mother was remodeling our home, and I bet a neighbor kid two bucks, a 2 x 4 was a large nail with a head on it. Well, turns out, a 16 penny nail was a closer description, and he won the bet.
In our class, last weekend, our instructor told us the permit must be declared, even if you are not carrying a handgun. Possible, I misunderstood, or he taught me the wrong thing. I will look further into this.
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Maybe I'm just new-fashioned, but what is all this talk about the 'wife' driving your car and having to worry about YOUR CHP status or YOUR gun in the lock box. Shouldn't she be more worried about declaring HER CHP status and the location of HER firearm?
The concern is that if you have a handgun in the glove box, or center console then it is accessible to all occupants. And if the cop wants to be a jerk (yeah, I know - would NEVER happen) he/she could easily charge your spouse, or other passengers with carrying concealed without a permit - if they don't have a permit.
This could possibly happen even if said location is locked - just depends on the LEO.
I can't even imagine my spouse not having her CHP - but I guess not every family operates the same.
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In our class, last weekend, our instructor told us the permit must be declared, even if you are not carrying a handgun. Possible, I misunderstood, or he taught me the wrong thing. I will look further into this.
From the Nebraska State Patrol website:
019.02 A permit holder carrying a concealed handgun who is officially contacted by any peace officer or emergency services personnel must immediately inform the peace officer or emergency service personnel of the concealed handgun unless physically unable to do so.
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I would always inform the officer of my permit, even if not carrying. That's only because he will know about it when he runs my DL. I'd rather he not have the chance assume I'm armed and forgot or chose not to inform him.
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I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
I had a flat by Sapp brothers, in the city limits of Omaha years ago. As I waited for a tow, an officer pulled up, approached on the grass, and when she saw my Glock parts on the dash, she started walking backwards in her same footprints in the grass, lit up her patrol car, crossed the median and took off in the other direction. Not a word. She easily hit 100mph when I lost sight of her.
A few minutes later, her boss arrived, with her close behind. She went for the grass again, while he approached normally. Asked if I was having trouble, and had I called a tow truck, I told him we were fine, and a tow truck was on the way. He said, I apologize for my deputy, she is fresh out of the academy, and I told her if she saw anything not covered in class, to come see me personally. I guess they never covered gun parts on the dash, so she got flustered and left. lol
Her boss, was very nice, and told me he appreciated me having my gun disassembled in that fashion, because it took all the tension out of the situation (at least for him). He told me it was a novel idea, and to have a nice day.
If someone told you this was a good idea, they were wrong. If this is something you came up with on your own forget it. This is not only completely unnecessary but dangerous.
Why in the world would you complicate a regular traffic stop by handling your weapon? How is an LEO supposed to know that you are unloading and disassembling your gun? Having a weapon in your hand during a traffic stop, whatever your intention might be, could get you shot. Thats obviously not good for you, and its also not good for the LEO that you put in that position.
I dont want to sound harsh, but didnt you recently complete a CCW course? Posting that you would even consider doing this may say something about the Instructor and their course. Or it may be that you simply didnt pay attention and have your own ideas about such matters (Im sure every Instructor on here has dealt with students that would fall into the category of "in one ear, out the other")
Dont take this personally. I just dont want to read about any CCW holder being mistakenly shot by LE because they were misinformed on how to act when stopped.
- Shawn
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I would always inform the officer of my permit, even if not carrying. That's only because he will know about it when he runs my DL. I'd rather he not have the chance assume I'm armed and forgot or chose not to inform him.
That may have been the way it was presented in class. I do remember we can not use our CCW permits to go armed on a snowmobile! lol
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Gary:
Your interpretation does not match what I have been told by instructors and LEOs. If you are not carrying a handgun you do not need to tell them you have a CHP.
019.02 A permit holder carrying a concealed handgun who is officially contacted by any peace officer or emergency services personnel must immediately inform the peace officer or emergency service personnel of the concealed handgun unless physically unable to do so.
Most LEOs said it would be nice if you told them you had a CHP and were not carrying any firearm, but the rule above states "carrying a concealed handgun" not "anytime you are officially contacted".
Couple months ago I was stopped for pushing the speed limit and since I was not carrying at the time, I did not inform the Lancaster County officer that I have a CHP. Did so as I was taught in my CCW class by 88-Tactical and per State Statue. Even after running my information, the officer made no mention nor did I about said permit and we conducted business and went on our separate ways. Sometimes too much information can raise suspicion as well as not enough. Do what you think is right and within the parameters of the law and you should fear not.
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Gary, while I understand the thoughts behind the disassembly of your firearm, but I have to ask; What If that hadn't have been a 'good guy' coming up to check on you? Seems to me a broke down Glock is all but worthless. Just my $.02.
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I always hope people that drive interceptor vehicles and have 2.4 million lights of red and blue pointed at me, are on the level.
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That may have been the way it was presented in class. I do remember we can not use our CCW permits to go armed on a snowmobile! lol
I've talked Sen. Brasch into doing an "interim study" on that very subject after this Unicam session. ;D
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He told us when ever your Driver's License/State ID card is run by an officer (at least in the state) it flashes their computer screen some how.
I didn't get to ask if it did so when they ran the License plate or if it was just the Driver's License or State ID card that flashed it.
The CHP is---as mentioned here several times---connected only with the Operator's License and not with the Auto License Plates. The LEOfficer will first run the plates to see if the car is stolen and if the plates actually match the auto's description.
Then he'll run the Operator's License and check Insurance and Registration. When he runs the Operator's License, a CHP holder's name will come up in RED at the very top of the screen.
Then way down at the bottom of the screen, also in RED, will state the reason why: Concealed Handgun Permit Holder, Outstanding Warrant, whatever.
A Nice LEO ran the demo for me when I asked him to do so. Interesting and Informative
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As SFG said, they will know when they run your operator's license. It's probably best they find out from you first, even if you are not carrying.
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I always hope people that drive interceptor vehicles and have 2.4 million lights of red and blue pointed at me, are on the level.
Sorry, I guess I read into the last story that you had done so well before the officer had pulled up and had identified themselves with lights and such.
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I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
I'm having some trouble imagining a way to clear and strip a loaded Glock while piloting a moving vehicle towards the shoulder safely, much less with one hand.
Video?
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I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
After talking to a couple LEO's I know today (one in CB other in Omaha) can I ask that you do NOT do this if stopped in the metro? The reactions I got were not good. The CBPD said you would be "peeing in the fountain of my good natured discretion" heh, his words. The OPD said if he saw someone breaking down a weapon as he pulled them over they would not leave the stop with that weapon. It leads him to believe the weapon was not concealed and that you may have been flashing it as you drive down the street. "Cute moves like that deserve a teachable moment to help the learning curve"
Cops are people, some good, some bad, but doing something which could possibly antagonize them doesn't help any of us. SFG said in his class we have to set the best example while exercising our rights. I think he's right.
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I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
I had a flat by Sapp brothers, in the city limits of Omaha years ago. As I waited for a tow, an officer pulled up, approached on the grass, and when she saw my Glock parts on the dash, she started walking backwards in her same footprints in the grass, lit up her patrol car, crossed the median and took off in the other direction. Not a word. She easily hit 100mph when I lost sight of her.
A few minutes later, her boss arrived, with her close behind. She went for the grass again, while he approached normally. Asked if I was having trouble, and had I called a tow truck, I told him we were fine, and a tow truck was on the way. He said, I apologize for my deputy, she is fresh out of the academy, and I told her if she saw anything not covered in class, to come see me personally. I guess they never covered gun parts on the dash, so she got flustered and left. lol
Her boss, was very nice, and told me he appreciated me having my gun disassembled in that fashion, because it took all the tension out of the situation (at least for him). He told me it was a novel idea, and to have a nice day.
I can appreciate your perspective Gary, and I'm glad it's worked out for you. However, there is absolutely no way I'm handling my firearm without being instructed to do so by the officer if/when I am pulled over. Then again, I don't make it a habit to do anything that would get me pulled over in the first place. My wife tells me I drive like an old man...lol
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When I had a gun store, I always carried. I knew all the police officers in my town of Beatrice by their first name, and was and still am good friends with the retired police chief as well as the retired swat team leader. I have shot, as an invited guest, at a police shooting range. I went white water rafting with one officer on a vacation in Colorado, and we were pretty close friends. They knew I broke down my gun at a traffic stop when I was away from my area, and I don't recall any of them offering any advice on the subject.
Seeing LOE's from an inside perspective, all they want to be able to do, is pull their own boots off at the end of each shift. Many could get better paying jobs with a lot less stress, and some end up doing that after a couple years, because the pressures of that job are so great. If you can get past the 3 year mark, 4 year mark, it gets easier, as you find a grove to work in, and a shell to build around yourself, but it is never easy, and it is always potentially volatile .
Having a zip lock bag of handgun parts is just one way to show an officer respect and make that stop less stressful.
With an FBI background check, I think the CCW permit is just as good as a broke down gun, and I see no reason to do that in the future. No officer should fear anyone with a CCW permit, however, I do not think the gun should NOT be stored in the same location as your license, car registration and proof of insurance, again, to lower the stress level of the officer.
When I get pulled over, I have both hands on the wheel, 11 & 1, all my windows are down, radio off, blower motor on the heater off, all interior lights are on, four way flashers are on, and I pull off the street, and sit under a street light if possible. If I must stay on the road, like on a highway, I am well off the road in the grass, so the officer has room to work. The ignition is off, and the keys are out of the ignition, with them sitting in plain sight on the dash. I have my license , registration, and proof of insurance on the dash, as well as all paperwork for any trailer I may be pulling. I speak in a polite and courteous manor, maintaining eye contact with the officer, and keep my hands on the wheel, until instructed to do otherwise.
I don't speed, I don't drive with expired plates, don't pull unlicensed trailers, and always follow all traffic laws. If pulling a trailer, ( I frequently pull a trailer) I make sure all lights are working, and if there is a problem with lights, I put on a red safety flashlight.
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I can break a Glock down with one hand in the dark. The Glock is in bits on the dash in a zip lock bag before my tires touch the shoulder.
So, to make sure I understand this, you are saying that you can remove a Glock from a holster, unload it, field strip it, and place these parts in a baggie while slowing down from highway speeds onto the shoulder, in the time it takes to merely slow down and come to a stop, and you can do this all with one hand?
Ok.
I congratulate you on your ability.
Most people should not even remotely attempt to do this. Not only is there of course a wonderful chance of a negligent discharge, but giving that much attention to something non-driving-related isn't a great idea either. And, as people have already said, if you aren't finished by the time the police officer is watching you, being seen to be quickly fiddling with someone once you are pulled over is also not really a great idea.
I note also that if you are carrying concealed, you don't actually need to do anything. Leave the gun in the holster, leave it covered up by your concealment garment, and just inform the officer when they show up.
And as people have said---if you aren't carrying, you are not required by law to inform the officer of anything. But it is still a good idea to do so, simply to ease communication. (You already know the LEO is having a bad day---it is hard to have a GOOD day when dealing with idiots all day---so being polite and clear right off the bat can make a significant difference to the entire event.)
I had a flat by Sapp brothers, in the city limits of Omaha years ago. As I waited for a tow, an officer pulled up, approached on the grass, and when she saw my Glock parts on the dash, she started walking backwards in her same footprints in the grass, lit up her patrol car, crossed the median and took off in the other direction. Not a word. She easily hit 100mph when I lost sight of her.
You have a radar gun in your car?
A few minutes later, her boss arrived, with her close behind.
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He said, I apologize for my deputy, she is fresh out of the academy, and I told her if she saw anything not covered in class, to come see me personally.
The state patrol/police department/sheriff's department officer of the day was in a car mere minutes away? (And she had to go drive and get him, and then drive back instead of just using the radio?) Wow.
I'm not going to tell anyone what they can or can't do, other than saying what is required by the law. That being said, it is certainly true that certain things are better ideas than others.
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One handed Glock disassembly ,reassembly and reload. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLR2Bfk2Bs#ws)
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Subject is getting pretty far off topic, but videos of what people can do with guns is educational.
Strip and assemble with one hand.
While my methods are not like these gentleman, it is interesting to see what people can do with their hands.
IMHO, if you are getting pulled over by an LEO, nine times out of ten, something in your life needs an adjustment.
Just for future reference, I can also juggle regulation bowling pins and bowling balls.
Woman love a guy with good hands! lol
Glock Field Stripped One Handed In Mid Air (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wqIWWZJXpQ#ws)
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Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is prudent, or more importantly, necessary. If the LEO doesn't like that you have a firearm on your person, they will remove it. From the small amount of anecdotal evidence here on the forum, most LEO's will just ask you to leave it in the holster and that is the end of it. The only thing I wouldn't like is if I was carrying a weapon that the LEO was not familiar with and the LEO decided to disarm me. For example a 1911, mostly because I don't want the LEO putting a hole in something while trying to figure out how to clear it. I have been disarmed by a Lancaster county sheriff's deputy once during official contact, but I was carrying a S&W j-frame so it wasn't an issue. I declared it, he asked where it was, I told him, he asked me to turn so he could remove it, I did so, he removed it from the holster and handed it to his partner. He returned it to me empty with the ammunition separately. He asked me not to load it until he had left the scene. I followed his instructions, nothing scary happened. End of story.
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Impressive videos.
I still don't think I'd try to do it while being pulled over, but that's just me.
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Glad all went well. :) Before he hit the lights, the officer knew you were a CCW holder because of DMV records. The plate was his way of pulling you over to see if you were compliant. Had you not told him you had a CCW permit, your first stop could have been your last one. For those here reading this thread, Nebraska law requires you to tell any contacting police officer, or rescue worker, you have a CCW permit, even if you do not have a gun on you. Failing to do so, is a felony.
In times past, while I have had a gun and get stopped, I always break down my Glock, and remove all the ammo from the mag. I then distribute the "mess" across my dash, so the officer can see I am no threat to them.
In the future, with a CCW, I may still do the same. Started the license process today, 2.5 hour wait at the State Patrol. We got there about 2:30 and it was almost 5 when we got out. 45 business days is more like 2.5 months, so around April 23rd, is our date.
Remember, a gun in your glove box is OK as long as you are alone in your car. With passengers, everyone needs a CCW permit because under the law, everyone is concealing the gun, even people that do not know you have a gun.
With passengers, best to keep your gun on your body.
So you were traveling with a loaded gun before you started the CHP process?
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So you were traveling with a loaded gun before you started the CHP process?
That is perfectly legal, as long as the firearm is not "concealed".
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Gary, I do not intend to sound rude or blunt in this comment but I am failing to understand your thought process. Put yourself in the LEO's shoes. He turns on his lights and he follows you to the shoulder. From the moment he turns on his lights he does not know much about you, at all, except for the fact that the vehicle your driving is not stolen, and has current tags, etc...
At this point there is not much stress for him. As he is following you to the shoulder he sees that you are holding/disassembling a firearm in the vehicle. Im sure at this point he is on full alert; as you have created a stressful situation and im sure that if YOU were the LEO you would be somewhat skeptical of the person. Even if he didnt see you disassembling the gun while pulling you over, im sure he would rather just have you tell him that you have a CHP and make him aware of the guns location. If you would have done so with the female deputy that stopped while you were getting a tow truck she wouldnt have freaked out.
Again, Im not trying to be rude its just my opinion ;)
Having a zip lock bag of handgun parts is just one way to show an officer respect and make that stop less stressful.
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Gary, I do not intend to sound rude or blunt in this comment but I am failing to understand your thought process. Put yourself in the LEO's shoes. He turns on his lights and he follows you to the shoulder. From the moment he turns on his lights he does not know much about you, at all, except for the fact that the vehicle your driving is not stolen, and has current tags, etc...
At this point there is not much stress for him. As he is following you to the shoulder he sees that you are holding/disassembling a firearm in the vehicle.
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I'm sure that Gary would perform such weapons manipulation below the level of what a police officer in a car behind him could see.
Remember that Gary said that he could unload, disassemble, and pack the firearm parts in a ziploc bag one-handed as he slowed down and came to a halt on the shoulder of the road. In that amount of time, while driving in such a fashion.
If the handgun was disassembled while being held low, the officer would see nothing, and Gary did say it would already be done by the time the officer made it to the car, so the officer would only see the results, which would be a pile of parts on the dashboard. And I'm sure that would indeed lower the stress level of the law enforcement officer.
And also, in that situation, the gun is no longer concealed, so he wouldn't even have to mention that he was a concealed carry permit holder.
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I'm sure that Gary would perform such weapons manipulation below the level of what a police officer in a car behind him could see.
Remember that Gary said that he could unload, disassemble, and pack the firearm parts in a ziploc bag one-handed as he slowed down and came to a halt on the shoulder of the road. In that amount of time, while driving in such a fashion.
If the handgun was disassembled while being held low, the officer would see nothing, and Gary did say it would already be done by the time the officer made it to the car, so the officer would only see the results, which would be a pile of parts on the dashboard. And I'm sure that would indeed lower the stress level of the law enforcement officer.
And also, in that situation, the gun is no longer concealed, so he wouldn't even have to mention that he was a concealed carry permit holder.
Not sure if serious.... :laugh:
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Though I have a fairly decent long gun collection, I do not have a carry permit and don't own a handgun. I don't even go shooting that often since I am a single father, work full time and live in the heart of the city. When I do go shooting, my long guns are in individual cases and are locked inside my truck bed box. The ammo is located in a field bag under the back seat.
I got pulled over awhile back for having a tail light out. Knowing at least most of the CCP regulations when in contact with a law official, I approached it the same way...both of my hands remained on the steering wheel and I had my teen-age daughter lean forward with both hands on the dash board (the truck was shut off of course and my window was down). The Officer approached me and asked how I was doing. I replied "Fine, thank you. Officer, there are four legally owned long guns locked in the back of the truck and the ammo is under the rear seat. Would you like for me to step out of the truck?" He then asked if I had any hand guns, which I replied No. He looked over at my daughter and told her to sit back and relax. He then asked for my license, registration and proof of insurance. He came back a short while later with a fix it ticket and thanked me again for informing him of the guns. He never asked to check or even glanced at my tool box. He was actually very relaxed the entire time from the moment I mentioned the guns and their location.
I feel that any assurances I can give the Officer will go a LONG way in making his day better and of course, mine as well.
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I live in Cass co. Got stopped 2 years ago when the officer came to my window and asked for my licence,reg,and proof of ins but I never said anything about my ccw because I wasn't carry in at the time. The officer came and said I see you have a ccw are you carry in? "I said no I was told by my instructor you only need to tell the officer if was carry in. He said that's right we just think I nice to know have a nice day. Important: if you are carry in give him your permit when you give him your licence and stuff the first time tell him right away or you'll wish you had. I heard the get pretty *****y if you don't.
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Not sure if serious.... :laugh:
Just making sure everyone was clear on what he claimed, and given that, it is a logical extension that he could do it below sight level.
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I guess I don't see the big deal, if you are carrying or not simply tell the LE you have the permit.
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I guess I don't see the big deal, if you are carrying or not simply tell the LE you have the permit.
Yea its pretty simple. If your carrying your firearm leave it be when you are pulled over. Inform the LEO of your permit and location of your gun. Proceed from there...
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I've been pulled over a few times and told the officer I had a permit and I was armed and it never was a problem. One time though it was the second thing I told the officer instead of the first thing (the first thing being an answer to a question he asked), and he got mad at me because as he put it, it was supposed to be the first thing out of my mouth, which I thought was a little Barney-Fifish of him. But he had been sitting at the bottom of a long steep hill with his radar on and pulled me over going 5 or 6 over, so it looked to me like he had a chip on his shoulder to begin with.
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Based on things I've heard and read, I think criminals pretending to be police offices is probably more common than a lot of people realize. I doubt many of them have actual uniforms and badges though, but some probably do. In fact I read an article awhile back about ICE uniforms being made in Mexico, and one problem with that was that some of the uniforms made were known to have fallen into the hands of criminal gangs; I doubt this happens only with that one type of uniform.
So the idea that law-abiding citizens are supposed to be totally submissive in the presence of anyone claiming to be a law enforcement officer can have bad consequences. I would say that if someone claiming to be a plain-clothed officer especially tries to disarm you or get you into his car or come into your house or something you should call 911 and tell them to send a uniformed officer to verify that the guy really is what he claims to be.
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Don't be stupid in how you tell the officer. For example, don't say "I have a gun!"
Don't say "I have a license to exercise my Constitutional right to bear arms, and am currently exercising that right, and if you want to question that right, I have a copy of the Constitution right here with me."
What I usually say is something like this: "I'm required to tell you that I have a concealed carry permit, and I'm carrying now." Then if he asks where I'm carrying I tell him (rather than showing him).
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Then he'll run the Operator's License and check Insurance and Registration. When he runs the Operator's License, a CHP holder's name will come up in RED at the very top of the screen.
Then way down at the bottom of the screen, also in RED, will state the reason why: Concealed Handgun Permit Holder, Outstanding Warrant, whatever.
Recently renewed my DL online and my new license came in the mail today. While checking to make sure there were no mistakes, I noticed my birth date is now in Red. Remembering SFG's post, is this a way of coding driver's licenses so LEO's know as soon as they see your license that you have a CHP before even calling it in?
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Recently renewed my DL online and my new license came in the mail today. While checking to make sure there were no mistakes, I noticed my birth date is now in Red. Remembering SFG's post, is this a way of coding driver's licenses so LEO's know as soon as they see your license that you have a CHP before even calling it in?
I doubt that. One of my duties is to check IDs of our passengers. I have seen lots of states which use the red expiration date so that it stands out. It makes my job easier instead of searching all over the place for the expiration.
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Recently renewed my DL online and my new license came in the mail today. While checking to make sure there were no mistakes, I noticed my birth date is now in Red. Remembering SFG's post, is this a way of coding driver's licenses so LEO's know as soon as they see your license that you have a CHP before even calling it in?
I noticed today that my birthday is in red on my DL, after reading your post. I do not have a CHP.