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From my friend Jeff Knox
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/a-solution-to-the-open-carry-protest-problem/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/a-solution-to-the-open-carry-protest-problem/)
What’s worse, they are basing their critiques and corrections exclusively on photographs and short video clips that only capture momentary glimpses of what’s really going on, and which are often put out by anti-gun activists looking not only for carry prohibitions, but to ban the guns themselves.
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Two things strike me as odd. One, that open carry is banned in the Alamo state, and two, that anyone would want to make a political statement with an AK over their shoulder.
If I order salt on french fries and the fries are so covered in salt, that is all you can see on the plate, the waitress went a bit overboard with the salt.
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I would explain it to you again but I don't think you are reading my posts either.
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Can we call it French Fry Fridays at Gary's?
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Gary, one simple question; Does a Texican that chooses not to get a Texas concealed carry license have the Right to keep and bear arms?
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I would explain it to you again but I don't think you are reading my posts either.
Heh. :)
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Gary, one simple question; Does a Texican that chooses not to get a Texas concealed carry license have the Right to keep and bear arms?
In my humble opinion, a couple states get it pretty close to correct. Vermont being one of them.
I hope that more than answers your question.
http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=308 (http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=308)
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/vermont.pdf (http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/vermont.pdf)
Taking it a step further, is there things one can lawfully do in Vermont (or Texas or Nebraska) with a rifle that are less that prudent?
This is a photo taken in an Apple store, in Switzerland. Would this be a prudent action, in an Apple store in hometown USA? That is the issue, and an issue that divides the gun community.
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Switzerland-Sig-SG-550-Apple-Store-Open-Carry.jpg)
Is this what we want to see in the USA in box stores?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3852/14617634146_f5060e2229_z.jpg)
The two folks pictured with long guns in this post, which is in a community with few to no doped up, medicated people wandering the streets that should be in institutions?
Which person is required to possess a rifle, and is trained by their well trained government sponsored citizen militia, to protect their home and country?
The two photos look much the same, except they are worlds apart, on several levels.
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Argh!!! Gary, please learn spelling, grammar and sentence structure!
This is our language. Let's act like we know it.
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Argh!!! Gary, please learn spelling, grammar and sentence structure!
This is our language. Let's act like we know it.
PM sent
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PM sent
Huh.. Weird. I tried to PM the guy but he blocked me.
Guess I'll make it public.
Gary, My post was not meant to be hurtfull, just pointed and direct. We are on the same side. The world judges us based on first impressions. We need to try to not be stupid, hatefull, judgemental or whatever. Anything we write here can be used to their ends at their discression. At my core I'm a simple guy who likes simple things, but to the world, I don't wan't to appear an idiot.
I guess I'm saying (In the nicest, sweetest way) If you can't help us, please don't hurt us.
XXX my name
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Is this what we want to see in the USA in box stores?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3852/14617634146_f5060e2229_z.jpg)
Hell yes! More of it!
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While I don`t open carry myself unless in the country, I have no qualms with those that choose to. I hope our fellow second amendment patriots in Texas accomplish their goals. I would also recommend anyone expressing that right dress professionally. Bdu`s and tacticool gear have their places...but common sense and etiquette should be exercised. Just like when I wore the uniform, one must always remember we are all ambassadors.
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I hope that more than answers your question.
Gary, seriously?
I asked you one simple question the answer to which would be a simple YES or NO.
Gary, one simple question; Does a Texican that chooses not to get a Texas concealed carry license have the Right to keep and bear arms?
Not only did you not answer the question, you went out of your way to dodge it, duck it and hide behind some picture taken in a foreign country.
It is obvious that no one has a Right to keep and bear arms unless they do it according to Gary.
I will explain it to you one more time; Year after year Texicans have tried working with their representatives in the legislature to get open carry passed to know avail. Because the legislature has not been responsive to the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, the people have been forced to bear arms in the ONLY LEGAL MANNER available to them.
I don't care what you think of it Gary, these folks are exercising their First Amendment Rights to secure their Second Amendment Rights. There is no greater duty for an American than to insure that ALL of our freedoms in the Bill of Rights are protected.
Pull up your big girl panties and deal with it!
To follow your go along to get along waa waa waa we must all be politically correct, we can't offend anyone or they might get mad at us, we need to hold their hands with a defeatist attitude and sing Kumbya with them.
I am sorry you are having a hard time understanding the personal responsibilities for Liberty and Freedom.
Following your line of thinking we would still be servants to the queen of England, There would still be separate drinking fountains and Rosa Parks would still be riding in the back of the bus.
I can only surmise from your convoluted response that by decree of all hail king Gary our fellow Americans in Texas Do NOT have a Right to keep and bear arms because they can't do it according to your holy proclamation.
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It is obvious that no one has a Right to keep and bear arms unless they do it according to Gary.
As I read through "Gary" posts, I get the same feeling. Gary doesn't get it.
Gary likes to hear Gary speak (post).
Gary is a kind of anti-gun advocate. Any laws, rules, regulations or whatever is anti-gun. Criminal law already exists...no laws need to further dictate how crime is achieved.
Gary doesn't get it. Gary...wake up.
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Gary, one simple question; Does a Texican that chooses not to get a Texas concealed carry license have the Right to keep and bear arms?
I think the answer Gary and everyone else would say should say is YES.
The majority of gun owners do not have a CHP yet have full 2nd amendment rights. A CHP is not a magical card without a mountain of rules, regulations, places I can't carry and a code of how I should act.
One member coined the phrase that it's something that scared us, that's bull, rather everyone has a different sense of what's right or wrong and what helps or hurts our cause.
I could say something is a apple and three NFOA members could jump on it and say it's a orange that doesn't make them right.
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A CHP is not a magical card without a mountain of rules, regulations, places I can't carry and a code of how I should act.
A CHP is just as it is named...a PERMIT. It turns a right into a privilege. Suckers persons into thinking they are getting something when in fact they have had much taken away.
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A CHP is just as it is named...a PERMIT. It turns a right into a privilege. Suckers persons into thinking they are getting something when in fact they have had much taken away.
Hey constitutional carry, sign me up.
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I think the answer Gary and everyone else would say should say is YES.
Gary had his chance to say yes, but he took of to Switzerland instead.
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Hey constitutional carry, sign me up.
Seems to me that Constitutional "shall not be infringed" already covers that. Apparently the NE Constitution does just that. But somehow a permit and related law was sneaked in.
In my observation, registration is a bad thing...but what happened when I got a purchase permit, got fingerprinted for a CHP, etc. Even though the law says the records will not go outside the NSP except for law enforcement use....the DMV got it and it shows on any traffic screen in a police car. Will a flashing red warning provide a different traffic stop experience? Can law enforcement treat my house differently(no announcement)? Who will they come to first if someone decides guns should be taken away? It seems a number of rights were given up in numberous areas.
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I think somewhere along the line the government stopped working for the people and we became servants of the government, as time goes the government assumes more power and people willingly give it to them. This sounds like what our forefathers warned us about.
When the word "patriot" puts you on a terror list, something is definitely wrong in Mayberry.
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+10 Bob!
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The only thing that perturbs me about Target girl is the sticker still on the shotgun stock. Why do people do that??? It's like leaving the plastic on your lampshades. If I saw her I'd tell her that she has a nice little buttstock but needs to take the sticker off.
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The only thing that perturbs me about Target girl is the sticker still on the shotgun stock. Why do people do that??? It's like leaving the plastic on your lampshades. If I saw her I'd tell her that she has a nice little buttstock but needs to take the sticker off.
The sticker and the fact she is using the buttstock to draw a line in the sand never to be crossed by lawful OC or CC.
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"In your face" tactics seldom bring about the desired reaction from folks. The open carry of long guns in the news recently hasn't done anything positive for our cause. Unless I've missed something each reaction from corporate offices has been to ban it. A majority of comments heard from the public agree. That's a step in the wrong direction.
Maybe we should get folks used to seeing small guns, ie;, handguns, on our hips without panicking before we break out the AR's and AK's? I don't know what the answer is but it's kind of obvious carrying long guns in public isn't working.
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"In your face" tactics seldom bring about the desired reaction from folks. The open carry of long guns in the news recently hasn't done anything positive for our cause. Unless I've missed something each reaction from corporate offices has been to ban it. A majority of comments heard from the public agree. That's a step in the wrong direction.
Maybe we should get folks used to seeing small guns, ie;, handguns, on our hips without panicking before we break out the AR's and AK's? I don't know what the answer is but it's kind of obvious carrying long guns in public isn't working.
Honestly, as noted earlier in this thread, I don't think it is the OC that is causing the negative press as much as the OC at places that would rather be neutral in the fight. When Starbucks and Chipotle banned OC in their establishments the press releases didn't say they didn't support our right to carry. The reason they asked for people not to OC in the stores is because is draws them into a fight between people.
Don't get me wrong, I believe firmly OC is needed and is my right in this country. But maybe the best way to win the fight is like boiling a frog... turn the heat up one notch at a time. It much the same with the all the profanity we hear on TV shows that would never have made it through the censors 30 years ago. We start with the OC events on the premises of places that DO openly support us and then as people realize that we aren't all freaks for wanting the to do what we have already have the to do (and that our firearms won't magically discharge at any moment) we begin doing OC in other places that have opened their doors. Someone mentioned having a designated spokesman that will handle all the media questions so that it doesn't turn into a "redneck joke" in editing sounds like another great idea.
Gary brought out the picture from Switzerland. Don't I wish we could carry that way. (Lord, knows there have been many a time I would love to shoot my computer.) but a big difference between us and Europe is that they have had a more recent, and far more memorable, encounter with people who want to kill them in their homes. They live with that reminder in their backyards every day. We do not have anything that truly says, "Remember World War 2 and what it did to this city?" or "Remember what the Soviets did to this city 25 years ago?". I lived in Europe for a few years. There are still buildings in the cities with bullet marks on them from the 1940s. This difference means that the American public has become soft and complacent with regard to the rights and privileges the founders of this country fought to insure we kept.
We need to defend our rights and keep defending them. Sometimes we need to offend to defend, but we also need to "boil the frog" so that we can win the war. How do you think we got to the point where we have to have these conversations today? The anti-gun movement boiled us frogs.
Pardon me while I go back to lurking again. ;)
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I think somewhere along the line the government stopped working for the people and we became servants of the government, as time goes the government assumes more power and people willingly give it to them. This sounds like what our forefathers warned us about.
When the word "patriot" puts you on a terror list, something is definitely wrong in Mayberry.
+1
edit to add:
GS, loved the link. Well thought out and reasoned. I'd be up for some of that, give me a reason to break out all those dress clothes I paid for when I was job hunting!
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Bloomberg's return to private business also comes after the most visible gun control group he supports, Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense in America, only managed to convince five businesses--Chipotle, Jack in the Box, Chili's, Sonic, and Target--to ask law-abiding citizens to come to their stores unarmed. Moms Demand was able to get a sixth business--Starbucks--to ask customers who openly carry firearms not to be so flamboyant about it.
On the other side of the coin, Breitbart News recently reported that 57,000 businesses were fighting this push by putting a "guns welcome" sign on their front doors.
Seems things are not the doom and gloom that some predicted. Ground lost? No ground gained.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/03/With-Gun-Control-Push-Failing-Michael-Bloomberg-Returns-To-Private-Business (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/03/With-Gun-Control-Push-Failing-Michael-Bloomberg-Returns-To-Private-Business)
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According to Armed American Radio, Kroger's is receiving more calls from mom's demand action than us.
They're asking us to call 1-800-576-4377 ext. 3 and thank them for not caving into Bloomberg's lies and please thank them for standing up for freedom.
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Let's do it!
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"In your face" tactics seldom bring about the desired reaction from folks. The open carry of long guns in the news recently hasn't done anything positive for our cause. Unless I've missed something each reaction from corporate offices has been to ban it. A majority of comments heard from the public agree. That's a step in the wrong direction.
Maybe we should get folks used to seeing small guns, ie;, handguns, on our hips without panicking before we break out the AR's and AK's? I don't know what the answer is but it's kind of obvious carrying long guns in public isn't working.
I'm not sure how 'effective' open carry is at changing anyone's mind. I am sure that it is their right. People say stuff all the time that I don't like. Are these remarks always wise, advisable, nice, helpful, decent, etc? No. Is it their right to say it anyway? Almost always. What I like isn't the determining factor on others liberty.
Really that simple. A right is a right, how popular it is among the rest of the population isn't the question. Now being a decent person that doesn't go out of your way to upset or offend others is a separate issue.
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It's like the old adage, "the squeaky wheel always gets all the grease".
It's about time we started squeaking. :laugh:
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Thank you Bob.
That has been my point all along. When the grabbers start their complaining it means they are on the defensive. We should seize the opportunity every time to push back.
They are relatively few in number and it really doesn't take much to shut them down.
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Just called Kroger's, told them I'm glad to see that they are standing up for the constitutional rights of the their customers. They were very friendly, wanted name, phone#, zip code, and store you shop at. I was lucky to have a Dillon's grocery store 45 min. south I sometimes shop at, looks like I will shop there more often.
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... Target--to ask law-abiding citizens to come to their stores unarmed. ...
So I've been wondering about this in the context of Nebraska law. I saw the letter where Target "politely asked" people not to "bring" firearms but it was in the context of open carry demonstrations. If a Nebraska store isn't posted, then CC is still OK, right?
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So I've been wondering about this in the context of Nebraska law. I saw the letter where Target "politely asked" people not to "bring" firearms but it was in the context of open carry demonstrations. If a Nebraska store isn't posted, then CC is still OK, right?
It is legal, but if they detect you have a firearm (which of course they shouldn't if it is concealed), and they ask you to leave, then you could be charged (trespassing?) if you don't comply.
Fly
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It is legal, but if they detect you have a firearm (which of course they shouldn't if it is concealed), and they ask you to leave, then you could be charged (trespassing?) if you don't comply.
Fly
Thanks. That's what I thought, but then it means that these corporate "victories" by the Bloomberg group were hardly even that. At least not what the layperson reader would think when reading that article. For millions of CCW permit holders, nothing changed.
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http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/second-amendment-2/msnbcs-gun-control-poll-on-kroger-shoppers-who-carry-guns-blows-up-in-their-face (http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/second-amendment-2/msnbcs-gun-control-poll-on-kroger-shoppers-who-carry-guns-blows-up-in-their-face)
I never thought I would see this from a MSNBC poll. :o