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General Categories => Information Arsenal => Topic started by: bkoenig on February 18, 2013, 02:16:16 PM
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http://www.spikestactical.com/salesinformation.html (http://www.spikestactical.com/salesinformation.html)
"Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sales:
In light of the recent and numerous anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment laws pending across the Nation, Spike’s Tactical will be joining other manufacturers and distributors and limiting the business we do in states that have limited the right to keep and bear arms for their citizens.
As of today, it will be our policy not to sell prohibited items to law enforcement agencies, government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We urge other companies to join in support.
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I wonder when the powers that be will start to feel the sting of this?
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I wonder when the powers that be will start to feel the sting of this?
Realistically, not until the big boys like Colt, S&W, and Glock step up. Here's hoping they'll do what's right.
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This is true. Can you imagine the sound of butts puckering if Glock said "Sorry, no guns for you" :D
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We need ammo manufacturers to do this
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We need ammo manufacturers to do this
Here's how to push them:
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,7864.0.html (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,7864.0.html)
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not to sell prohibited items
Should read no items
Can you imagine the sound of butts puckering
Well, they already have contracts signed so in a few words, they are still going to eat however we need to know EXACTLY which ammo mfg's are providing and then as a collective ensure they know the national comsumers will stand together against the policy's they once held and close them.
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With all the gvt ammo purchases, I think they are basically trying to make our firearms useless without ammo. We might have more effect if we could get the ammo manufacturers to do the same thing the firearm manufacturers are doing, but further, to say that with each passing of anti-second amendment legislation, they increase production for civilian distribution only and further, will not enter into any further contracts with any government entity that does so. Just an idea...
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Seems like more and more big names are stepping up to the plate! ;D
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And companies need to pull out of oppressive states like Magpul is threatening in CO. Springfield moving out of Illinois would be a good start.
We also need ammo suppliers to jump on this.
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Could it be this is the only answer the Belly not speak with forked tongue
We might have more effect if we could get the ammo manufacturers to do the same thing the firearm manufacturers are doing
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Could it be this is the only answer the Belly not speak with forked tongue
Huh? Not sure I am pickin up what your layin down.
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You speak truth!
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Oh. thanks for putting the cookies on the bottom shelf for us
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Oh. thanks for putting the cookies on the bottom shelf for us
Hahahaha, gig, you have some of the best one liners ever. Just sayin...
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For the last month I've been scouring the web and local gun shops for primer, bullets and powder. I managed to get 8lbs of Titegroup from Powder Valley a week ago, but the next day they were sold out of that and just aboue everything else every since.
I was at Acher Arms this morning and the guy there said that the manufacturers are releasing to the distributors but the distributors are selling only to the highest bidders on the online auctions, where ever they are. That's how they explained charging $9.99 for a box of 50 .22LR.
Anyway, I don't believe that "panic" buying by citizens is accounting for the nearly total dry up of all aspects of the ammo AND component shortage. Over the last 10 months the Feds placed orders for about 1.6 BILLION rounds of small arms ammo (9mm, .40, etc). During the Iraq war the annual consumption of small arms ammo by our armed forces totaled to around 100 million rounds a year. The Feds are purchasing enough ammo to wage an Iraqi type war for the next 15 years!
I have mentioned this before, asking who it was they were going to make war on? Over the last few days it dawned it me that they are waging an economic war on those who own and shoot guns. Basically, if you can't buy any ammo, or just very small amounts sporadically, your guns are worthless, and so is the 2A. The Feds have found a way around the 2A by making ammo scarce using their purchasing power to tie up the entire ammo manufacturing and supply chain. The Feds don't have to shoot that much ammo. Just stack it in warehouses and seal them up. It could take several years to produce that much ammo and there isn't anything preventing them from making another big order when the last one is almost filled, thus keeping the ammo supply in constant shortage or non-existent. Obama is a smart person, probably one of the most clever people to occupy the Whitehouse since Reagan. This is the kind of trickery he would think up.
Bottom line: it could be November before supplies loosen up, if they loosen at all. The guy at Acher's isn't even sure there will be adequate supplies of ammo any time this year. NO ONE but the Feds and the ammo makers know. A question arises: "What about foreign ammo makers and importing of ammo from them?" In a free market place they could step in and fill the demand. What's keeping them from doing that? Feds?
Only those who have been preppers or wealthy enough to buy ammo in bricks or case loads amounts will have ammo. Normally, they would use their stash to do some target practicing or even hunting, but replace their supply. Now, will they even hunt at all and limit their target practice to the bare minimum because they can't easily replace or even reload their spent ammo?
Have we been snookered?
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Personally, from my experience in the past talking to the folks at Acher, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt.
I think there are a multitude of causes behind the current shortage. Government buying probably contributes, but when online retailers get in a few thousand rounds and sell out within minutes I'm pretty sure we are doing this to ourselves.
Now, when it comes to reloading components, I do believe there is an actual shortage of product available to consumers. Not necessarily because of any conspiracy, but because every available primer, case, bullet, and grain of powder is going to the ammunition manufacturers.
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bk, so GG is close to it then.
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Responce from Armalite..
http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/armalite-tries-to-play-both-sides-of-the-developing-gun-war/ (http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/armalite-tries-to-play-both-sides-of-the-developing-gun-war/)
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In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.
So let it be said, so let it be done.....
I ;D just unloaded my Armalite .308 AR to someone who wanted it for along time, I will not buy another ever....
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I couldn't see the allure of an AR. It just looks ugly, and isn't the best defensive rifle one could use if the need arose. Forget getting into close combat. Distance is your friend. Using any good rife, similar to a 30-06 or a .308 Win at 750 yrds, with a good scope, a person using anything else, including an AR-15, is toast.
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For me, it wasn't an allure standpoint. The M16/AR-15 platform was one that I utilized with great effectiveness in the military, and the level of familiarity that comes from basically having lived with a rifle, even for the short amount of time that i did, meant that it was a primary and instinctive choice in a semi-automatic capacity.
Sure, DM's could enjoy the simplicity of a bolt gun, but even as I was leaving the military, they were being introduced to the AR-10 platform in .308, allowing for such an ease of transition that it was becoming a rare event to see a bolt gun in the hands of an operator, let alone a standard service member.
One more thing, in today's modern battlefields, an AR is the most appropriate tool a soldier can have. small, compact, lightweight and maneuverable, with a range of options and configurations, plus acceptance among the 5 branches of our Armed Forces, means that any AD personnel can put hands on a weapon and understand how to use it. We are not on the battlefields of 50 years ago.
(not trying to start anything, just offering a counterpoint to the above statement)
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Like you and the AR-15, I grew up with and got accustomed to the traditional rifle form represented by my two customized M1's. I prefer a semi-auto over a bolt action, but I like the look and feel of a traditional semi-auto rifle, even with a thumb hole, and always with a scope over a set of back iron sights. A 30--06 delivers twice the energy at 500 yrds that a .223 does, and a .308 delivers significantly more than both.
A .223 shell is smaller than a 30-06 or a .308, so one can carry more of them, but one needs fewer of the bigger, harder hitting ammo, to do the same job. From the time I was a teenager I acquired the ability of one-shot kills, and often went hunting with only 3 rounds because I knew that all three would hit their target. But, getting into a shooting match with a rifle is something I will never participate in because I haven't owned a rifle in decades, since my step brother sold my M1s, and don't plan on buying another rifle. In fact, prior to the email from the board of pardons telling me about a commutation hearing for a psychotic murderer I helped convict I had no plans to buy another weapon or get a CHP. The last two months since Dec 5th, when I got that email, has been a real eye-opener about the lack of respect for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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Like any other tool, you pick the one best suited to the job. Doesn't mean you can't hammer something with a screwdriver...doesn't work as well, maybe, but can get the job done when needed. You don't always get to pick your distance to a threat. In close quarters, it is hard to pass up on an AR.
Another aspect of the AR platform is how easy it is to interchange a large variety of parts or mount a large variety of parts. Something most conventional rifles can not do.
Compare a television of 1950 (black/white) to a current large screen thin, light LED television (which runs RAM chips, internet access, network capable/computer ready, etc.). The AR-15 is just progression of a rifle. Maybe not the best of everything but different. In most cases, OK for what it needs to do.
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I agree on having many of the bolt and AR type firearms as you not know where you be when you need to use them in a defensive way, I guess if you lived on a farm and had acres of land from the road via a apt complex each will serve specific uses.