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Handguns, Rifles & Shotguns => Rifles => Topic started by: gwilly on December 12, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
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I've been standing on the sideline too long........picked up my first 91/30 in Sioux Falls this weekend! :D
1940 Izhevsk with matching #s & bright shiney bore.....
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N1a.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N1b.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N2.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N4.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N7.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/M-N10.jpg)
There's a spam can of copper-washed steel cored Rominian 7.62x54R FMJ on the way too!
I know what I'm going to be doing Christmas morning!! 8)
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excellent...
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Be carefull i put two 91/30's too close together and now i have an M44.....they like to multiply
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Be carefull i put two 91/30's too close together and now i have an M44.....they like to multiply
..and don't think placing a shotgun in between would make for a good chaperone. Like most 'kids' they will find a way!
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Ahh the wonderful Mosin. 2 weeks after I bought my first gun (Ruger 10/22) I saw these at Cabelas and HAD to get one. Thought it kicked hard until I got a 300wm, now it feels like a kitten. Unfortunately never been able to pattern it, usually 1 or 2 hits on a piece of paper at 100 yards ::)
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I know a place you can put it to good use next spring! ;D
The Vingage Military Rifle Match at Lincoln Izaak Walton ;)
Very nice 91/30 by the way.
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I know a place you can put it to good use next spring! ;D
The Vingage Military Rifle Match at Lincoln Izaak Walton ;)
Very nice 91/30 by the way.
yep. i love taking mine there. i usually end up near the bottom, but its always fun.
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Oh so sorry to hear about the Mosinitus. Theres no know cure but if you buy more it will ease the suffering some and, fill the safe. I started with the M44 then, 91-59,91-30, and the chinese type 53. Also picked up a Nagant revolver just to go with the rest. Good luck with this.
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Now you need the crown jewel of Mosins...the Finn 28/76. It will be mine, some day:
(http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/mosin-nagant/39218d1300248284-oh-yeah-ive-been-wanting-one-these-mosin-m28-76-006-copy.jpg)
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Classic Arms got some "Select Grade" 91/30's in at pretty darn good prices. They are about 3/4 the way down the page.
That crate full of them would look great as a glass-covered coffee table. ;D
http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm (http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm)
(http://www.classicarms.us/images/m9130round-crate.jpg)
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If the TKIV 85 Sniper Rifle ever gets imported for sale into American I will sell a kidney if necessary to afford it.
(http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/powder-keg/18690d1234830304-fin-match-rifle-mosins-aim-800px-7.62_tkiv_85.jpeg)
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Classic Arms got some "Select Grade" 91/30's in at pretty darn good prices. They are about 3/4 the way down the page.
That crate full of them would look great as a glass-covered coffee table. ;D
http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm (http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm)
I was drooling over that same pic a couple days ago........& yup .....right in the middle of the living room would be a wonderful spot for that coffee table! It'd be a whole lotta fun to take a close look at a box full like that!
Are there any gun shops around that are known to keep MNs on the racks? I've seen a few here & there.....kinda hit & miss tho
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Rod has 4 or 5 at Moeller Arms in La Vista. They are pretty nice.
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THANKS kozball! I'll make a point to stop by next time I get close to Omaha 8)
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Exeter Arms had a couple pretty nice ones with laminated stocks the last time I was there.
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cabelas carries them as well. they are on the racks of guns close to the new AR's. other used mil surps are on the used racks by the gun library.
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I got one last month .... going to shoot it again Monday!
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Classic Arms got some "Select Grade" 91/30's in at pretty darn good prices. They are about 3/4 the way down the page.
That crate full of them would look great as a glass-covered coffee table. ;D
http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm (http://www.classicarms.us/firearms.htm)
(http://www.classicarms.us/images/m9130round-crate.jpg)
Classic Arms has the round receivers ($79.99) and hex receivers (Ishevsk for $99.99 or Tula for $109.99).
Is there something that makes the hex receiver more accurate or coveted?
Thanks,
Fly
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The hex receivers are pre-WWII and tend to just have better fit and finish, that's all. I have a '43 Izzy round receiver that has some horrible looking machine work. The barrel almost looks like it was threaded on the outside. There are spiral grooves all along the length of it. I think they were feeding the lathe really fast when they profiled the barrel. When the Huns are knocking on the door you don't really care how it looks as long as it goes bang.
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The hex receivers are pre-WWII and tend to just have better fit and finish, that's all. I have a '43 Izzy round receiver that has some horrible looking machine work. The barrel almost looks like it was threaded on the outside. There are spiral grooves all along the length of it. I think they were feeding the lathe really fast when they profiled the barrel. When the Huns are knocking on the door you don't really care how it looks as long as it goes bang.
How about the Ishevsk or Tula? Either one better?
Thanks,
Fly
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Not really. There were fewer made by Tula so sometimes they go for a little more, but both arsenals made millions of them so it really doesn't matter.
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Not really. There were fewer made by Tula so sometimes they go for a little more, but both arsenals made millions of them so it really doesn't matter.
Thanks again!
I guess I have one more question...is this Classic Arms a good place to buy from? I was thinking about paying the $10 for the hand picked rifle if I decide to jump in.
Fly
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Classic Arms has been very accurate in their descriptions of condition from my experience.
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How about the Ishevsk or Tula? Either one better?
I have a theory on why Tula seems more popular: 1)- The Tula Star (around an arrow) looks "cooler" than the Ishevsk Triangle (around an arrow) ........ and ....2) Americans cannot easily pronounce "Ishevsk".
I have a 1943 Ishevsk ...... outer finish is atrocious, but it works great, and I can reliably hit an orange at 50 yards without "kentucky windage".....
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I have a theory on why Tula seems more popular: 1)- The Tula Star (around an arrow) looks "cooler" than the Ishevsk Triangle (around an arrow) ........ and ....2) Americans cannot easily pronounce "Ishevsk".
I have a 1943 Ishevsk ...... outer finish is atrocious, but it works great, and I can reliably hit an orange at 50 yards without "kentucky windage".....
Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk...It's not so hard. ;)
Thanks guys.
Fly
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One thing is certain.........I'm gonna be at this for awhile!! :P
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin-Nagant-family-chart-tree.jpg)
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What's crazy is I can see a couple variants missing from that chart.
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Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk...It's not so hard
You don't know how bad we mangle it until you hear a native pronounce it......
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Altheman2, I had the same thing happen in my safe. Thinken GSD had a bad influence on the situation.
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Altheman2, I had the same thing happen in my safe. Thinken GSD had a bad influence on the situation.
I have NO idea what you are talking about...
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I was able to feed my .....uh......'habit' yesterday! I came across this gem at a local pawn shop.....
It's a 1924 ex-dragoon with a 1909 receiver in what looks like decent shooting condition. I 'll clean & do a thorough check of it this afternoon. :D
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/1924Izzy2.jpg)
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Very nice! The ex-Dragoons are a little rarer than the run of the mill 91/30's.
I need to get one or two more 91/30's. I actually have only one, and it shoots minute of barn door even though it has a pristine bore. You never know what you're going to get with one of these. I'm thinking of buying another and keeping the old one around just for parts.
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Sights on my Mosin don't even line up straight and I don't think they can be adjusted by someone with as few tools as I have :(
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eh, it russian, all you need is a hammer:)
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eh, it russian, all you need is a hammer:)
Hey, gsd knows what he is talking about here. A hammer and a punch may well be just the ticket depending on what you mean by not lining up.
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Very nice! The ex-Dragoons are a little rarer than the run of the mill 91/30's.
I need to get one or two more 91/30's. I actually have only one, and it shoots minute of barn door even though it has a pristine bore. You never know what you're going to get with one of these. I'm thinking of buying another and keeping the old one around just for parts.
I was thinking about buying one or two from ClassicArms.us, but your statement above has made me a little nervous. Would I be better off buying it from someone face-to-face so that I could verify it is not one of the lemons?
Fly
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I was thinking about buying one or two from ClassicArms.us, but your statement above has made me a little nervous. Would I be better off buying it from someone face-to-face so that I could verify it is not one of the lemons?
Fly
Honestly, pretty much all of the Mosins out there have been arsenal refurbished and have more or less perfect bores, so you'll get something in decent shape no matter where you buy it from. The one I have was bought locally and looked perfect, it just doesn't shoot worth a darn. Sometimes you just get a lemon.
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Honestly, pretty much all of the Mosins out there have been arsenal refurbished and have more or less perfect bores, so you'll get something in decent shape no matter where you buy it from. The one I have was bought locally and looked perfect, it just doesn't shoot worth a darn. Sometimes you just get a lemon.
I thought you might offer to sell me yours. ;)
Fly
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Very nice! The ex-Dragoons are a little rarer than the run of the mill 91/30's.
I need to get one or two more 91/30's. I actually have only one, and it shoots minute of barn door even though it has a pristine bore. You never know what you're going to get with one of these. I'm thinking of buying another and keeping the old one around just for parts.
Thanks, I like the older MNs.....this is the oldest I've found so close to home......just goes to show that they are out there!
I did get it all cleaned up but ran out of daylight to try it out. It will be interesting to see how it does. It was counter-bored 1.75" at the arsenal....the rest of the bore appears bright shiney & sharp.
I've been told that they shoot high & to the right without the bayonet on. I'll do some experimenting with this one to see if that holds true.
What caught my eye & appears unusual on this one is the stamp on the receiver. It's got both the communist hammer, sickle & wreath along with the czarist eagle. I thought that the eagles were normally ground off........kinda cool!! :)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/barrel1.jpg)
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im jealous!!
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That is a nice gun. I have a weakness for old military rifles.
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Mosin Nagant 91/30 (NFA, SBR) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I#noexternalembed)
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:o......That'd get you some attention at the range!!
I was able to warm up the ex-dragoon a bit yesterday. It took me 20 rounds to rein her in.......the old girl packs a pretty good kick!
Here are the last 5....offhand at 80 yards.....with the bayonet. I'm looking forward to spending more time with her. :D
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/target.jpg)
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uh oh! i finally looked at my Cabela's ad and they have $99.99 M91/30's.
and steel Herter's on sale for $9.99
*** sale prices effective Jan 19 - 29. LaVista only.
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uh oh! i finally looked at my Cabela's ad and they have $99.99 M91/30's.
and steel Herter's on sale for $9.99
*** sale prices effective Jan 19 - 29. LaVista only.
I picked one up on Friday. Mine is Ivhevsk armory made in 1942. Overall a nice looking weapon. The shellac on the stock was not done well at all so I am stripping it and doing a tung oil rub. Maybe I should have shot it before putting all the work into the stock to see if it is one of the bad shooters.
Just an FYI they had one in the rack behind the counter. You have to take a number and when called to the counter ask them if they still have any in the back room.
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a friend of mine asked me to go to cabela's with him. there were WAY TOO many people around the gun counter or i was going to look at getting another one, but i did not even try. i did buy ammo though, always a sure thing!
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i did buy ammo though, always a sure thing!
You and everybody else, it seems!
I stopped by today to get some of the Herter's 7.62x39 ..... all gone. There were other gaping holes in the stock, too......
Salesguy said they sold more guns on Saturday than they did on Black Friday..... and Black Friday was their previous record.......
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Came across this blonde 1946 Izhevsk M44 while I was scrounging around in a local pawn store over the weekend.....been bit again!! :D
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/1946%20blonde%20M44/3BlondeM44.jpg)
I'm wonderin'.......does Cabela's have the wooden crates for sale that the Mosin's they're selling came in?
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Came across this blonde 1946 Izhevsk M44 while I was scrounging around in a local pawn store over the weekend.....been bit again!! :D
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/1946%20blonde%20M44/3BlondeM44.jpg)
I'm wonderin'.......does Cabela's have the wooden crates for sale that the Mosin's they're selling came in?
Wow! Apparently the pawn shops are a lot better up there than around here.
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It's really hit & miss......been hittin' lately after a long missin' spell :D This one will be a little work......the bore is NOT bright.
My theory is that after the holidays some maybe are being turned in for cash for paying bills.
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I'm not that lucky, I've never ever seen a "bright bore" on a Mosin.
Seen plenty that looked like there was fur growing inside the bore though. :(
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LOL....You can see a wide range of conditions when you look down one of those barrels!
I went up to the gun show in Sioux Falls last weekend & brought home a Finn M24. This one appears to have a bit of histiory about it! 8)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/1897%20Finn%20M24/M24-19.jpg)
It's missing a couple minor parts.........I've got something to hunt for now!! :)
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Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk, Ishevsk...It's not so hard. ;)
Actually, its Izhevsk. The city is named after the river Izh which runs through it.
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Actually, its Izhevsk. The city is named after the river Izh which runs through it.
Yah. That's what I said! Er...wasn't it? :laugh:
Fly
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Hi Fly!
Well, close. But the name is I "z" hevsk, not I "s" hevsk. I can't properly pronounce it with either spelling, so it's all good :)
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The bug got me again!
Here's a 1915 NEW M91 that I located at a Lincoln gun/pawn shop yesterday.
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/1915%20Finn%20NEW/Rside.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp98/gwillyh/Mosin/1915%20Finn%20NEW/NEW1915.jpg)
I love these old guns!! 8)
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Which pawn shop did you find that in? Most of them around here want $200 for a run of the mill Izzy. The actual gun shops sometimes will have good deals.
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Which pawn shop did you find that in?
yes please do tell!!!
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This one was sitting on the rack at Acher Arms & Pawn.....I'd never been there.
They said that it walked in the door on Friday.......sometimes I get lucky :D
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Acher is weird. Most of the time they are way overpriced on their guns, but occasionally they have some good deals on surplus rifles.
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They were way over-priced on spam cans of 7.62x54 but on this gun they seemed a bit under the market from what I've seen.
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Acher is overpriced on alot of thier stuff, but that leaves alot of room for negotiation lol. Thats how i got my 870 for less then 200 bucks lol
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That Westinghouse will have a .308 diameter bore. That alone would make it cheaper to load for..... and do NOT shoot the .311 mild steel jacketed milsurp ("bi-metal"?) ammo thru that: my dad did that with his, and the rifling was gone in short order.
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I would slug the bore just to be sure.
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It seems my M44 has breed with my 91/30"s. Got into the safe the other day and found 2 Finn M39's. May need to start selling some.
Hope the Mauser's dont do the same.
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Eagle, i'm game on adopting my old one again for the right price...just sayin'
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I will let you know. May sell one of the 91/30's and nuetter the M44.