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General Categories => Non Gun Stuff => Topic started by: Gary on October 04, 2014, 09:24:14 AM
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Anyone else noticed the news stories over the past month or so of three people attacking people in and around the downtown Lincoln area? Stealing money and cell phones.
We should put together a neighborhood watch program to try and catch these guys.
Anyone else game?
They attacked another pair of people last night at 3am.
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Serious question here. Are you just trolling or are you really that stupid?
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This is a spectacularly bad idea.
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Just make sure to get an appropriate bright colored spandex costume first so that people won't think you're a gun-toting whacko, just a whacko. ;D
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all that comes to mind is Ralph in Greatest American Hero, trying to fly and screaming down the alley sideways and hitting a wall
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all that comes to mind is Ralph in Greatest American Hero, trying to fly and screaming down the alley sideways and hitting a wall
You are REALLY dating yourself by mentioning that show.
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You are REALLY dating yourself by mentioning that show.
:)
I got the boxed set, for some reason amazon sent me 2 sets when I ordered it, my grandkids love it!
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Charles Bronson vs. Muggers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-57Ivfwz8#ws)
Kind of like this??
Greg58
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I didn't get my CHP in order to play cop or street cleaner.
IF I never have to use it to defend myself or my wife that will be fine with me.
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No, no, it's a great idea!
We get a large group of people together, all with video cameras, of course armed in case they need to defend themselves, and then we draw straws to see who gets to play "victim," and that person walks around acting clueless, trolling for crime, and when the muggers attack, the group of people gets it all on video for evidence, and they all swoop in and capture the bad guy, tie him up, and drag him to the police department! It'll be great! We can do it nightly, and capture LOTS of bad guys!
We should probably all get matching shirts (other than the "victims," of course, don't want it to be obvious), and call ourselves the Street Knights or something like that, so we seem like a professional group instead of crazy vigilante weirdos, because we wouldn't want that.
We could clean up the town, and people would see how people who believe in personal responsibility, rights, and justice CAN really make a difference!
Nothing could go wrong with this plan.
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I been looking out the window for the bat signal. cause you are bat **** crazy
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No, no, it's a great idea!
We get a large group of people together, all with video cameras, of course armed in case they need to defend themselves, and then we draw straws to see who gets to play "victim," and that person walks around acting clueless, trolling for crime, and when the muggers attack, the group of people gets it all on video for evidence, and they all swoop in and capture the bad guy, tie him up, and drag him to the police department! It'll be great! We can do it nightly, and capture LOTS of bad guys!
We should probably all get matching shirts (other than the "victims," of course, don't want it to be obvious), and call ourselves the Street Knights or something like that, so we seem like a professional group instead of crazy vigilante weirdos, because we wouldn't want that.
We could clean up the town, and people would see how people who believe in personal responsibility, rights, and justice CAN really make a difference!
Nothing could go wrong with this plan.
I'm on my way down to Lincoln....I am strapped up, but all my guns are unloaded & locked up in a secure safe at a separate location....#vigilante
Joking!
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We should probably all get matching shirts (other than the "victims," of course, don't want it to be obvious), and call ourselves the Street Knights or something like that, so we seem like a professional group instead of crazy vigilante weirdos, because we wouldn't want that.
Donkey: Alright people, let's do this thing. Go Team Dynamite!
Pinocchio: But I thought we agreed we'd go by the name Team Super Cool.
Gingerbread Man: As I recall, it was Team Awesome.
Wolf: I voted for Team Alpha Wolf Squadron.
Donkey: Alright, alright, alright. From henceforth, we're all to be known as Team Alpha Super Awesome Cool Dynamite Wolf Squadron.
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Starting or supporting a downtown neighborhood watch program with the city of Lincoln is a bad idea?
I do not see on the list in the link, one that covers the area of my business location and into downtown. I see Haymarket but that has not been a problem area in this case.
Also, just for my personal edification, are you guys thinking with your Johnson 24 7 or just on forum pages?
Does your Mothers know you act like this? I hope not. They would be ashamed.
I just feel the three people up to this should be off the streets. You guys like to see people beat up and left for dead in alleys? They are going to kill someone.
I suggest you guys follow the link below, and revise your attitudes.
You guys have some clique here. Lol
Some of you guys are firearms trainers, with your attitudes? Seriously? NRA trainers? Part of the ethics of being an NRA trainer is Attitude.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/04/e8de1435231116fa8d9f089f484779d2.jpg)
https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/urban/Neighborhoods/nacontacts.htm
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Reading your posts again, I grow more and more amazed at of all of you.
Kind of wish I had not rebuked you guys so soon to see what other excellent quality firearms folks would have jumped on my back.
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Starting or supporting a downtown neighborhood watch program with the city of Lincoln is a bad idea?
The response probably has something to do with your statements of:
"Street Fishing"
and
"...to try and catch these guys."
....neither of which, of course, neighborhood watch groups do. They neither troll nor fish for crime, nor do they attempt to catch criminals.
Also, just for my personal edification, are you guys dicks 24 7 or just on forum pages?
Does your Mothers know you are such jerks? I hope not. They would be ashamed.
Hm. Yes, you are right. We are the problem. Our behavior, and how we treat others on the forum, is the issue at hand. The problem isn't people who say or do things that are either wrong or outright dangerous. The problem is the people who point that out, using various means.
We should be ashamed.
I'll go back to learning how to disassemble my firearms one-handed while driving at speed down the highway. It'll be safe, though, because there won't be one in the chamber, and there will be a Saf-T-Blok in the gun.
I'll also go back to practicing jumping out of my bathroom window in case someone traps me there, and starts chopping down the door with an axe. Doesn't matter how dangerous jumping might be (through a glass window), it will certainly be safer than defending myself with a firearm.
In my spare time, I'll work on catching criminals on the streets of Lincoln.
All of which you have specifically espoused as perfectly good choices.
I just feel the three people up to this should be off the streets. You guys like to see people beat up and left for dead in alleys? They are going to kill someone.
Yes, yes, because not wanting to hit the streets and catch criminals means that we "like to see people beat up and left for dead in alleys." There is no other possible explanation. No other choice imaginable.
I suggest you guys follow the link below, and revise your attitudes.
You guys have some clique here. Lol
Some of you guys are firearms trainers, with your attitudes? Seriously? NRA trainers? Part of the ethics of beingban NRA trainer is Attitude.
Part of the ethics of being an NRA trainer is knowing the laws. And teaching them correctly. In addition, teaching proper safe gun handling.
What's that bible quote? Something about splinters in eyes, and logs in one's own?
I note also that I recall you stating for the record on this forum "certifications" that you had earned for teaching CCW classes and such far before you actually had received such.
You say a lot of things, Gary. Handy thing about the Internet---you can always pull up exactly what someone said. The Internet doesn't forget.
Oh, by the way---if you think your commentary in any way was taken as a rebuke, you are sadly mistaken. Quite frankly, it just showed more of precisely to what extent you seem to understand.
And I realize that you are inordinately proud of being an NRA instructor, Gary. You might want to bear in mind that not only are you not the only one, but more importantly, SO MANY OF THEM disagree with you.
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From the Lincoln Police Department:
It's as easy as One, Two, Three...
One... Contact your neighbors and determine if interest in starting a Neighborhood Watch group exist.
Two... Contact the Education and Personnel Unit of the Lincoln Police Department. Our telephone number is 441-7261. You will be sent a Neighborhood Watch start up kit, which contains a group roster sheet, a Neighborhood Watch book and window stickers.
Three... The last step is to go back to your neighbors and gather the needed information for the group roster. Then return the roster to the Lincoln Police Department Education and Personnel Unit to activate your group. Once your group has been activated, you will be sent the needed materials to supply your group.
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The response probably has something to do with your statements of:
"Street Fishing"
and
"...to try and catch these guys."
....neither of which, of course, neighborhood watch groups do. They neither troll nor fish for crime, nor do they attempt to catch criminals.
Hm. Yes, you are right. We are the problem. Our behavior, and how we treat others on the forum, is the issue at hand. The problem isn't people who say or do things that are either wrong or outright dangerous. The problem is the people who point that out, using various means.
We should be ashamed.
I'll go back to learning how to disassemble my firearms one-handed while driving at speed down the highway. It'll be safe, though, because there won't be one in the chamber, and there will be a Saf-T-Blok in the gun.
I'll also go back to practicing jumping out of my bathroom window in case someone traps me there, and starts chopping down the door with an axe. Doesn't matter how dangerous jumping might be (through a glass window), it will certainly be safer than defending myself with a firearm.
In my spare time, I'll work on catching criminals on the streets of Lincoln.
All of which you have specifically espoused as perfectly good choices.
Yes, yes, because not wanting to hit the streets and catch criminals means that we "like to see people beat up and left for dead in alleys." There is no other possible explanation. No other choice imaginable.
Part of the ethics of being an NRA trainer is knowing the laws. And teaching them correctly. In addition, teaching proper safe gun handling.
What's that bible quote? Something about splinters in eyes, and logs in one's own?
I note also that I recall you stating for the record on this forum "certifications" that you had earned for teaching CCW classes and such far before you actually had received such.
You say a lot of things, Gary. Handy thing about the Internet---you can always pull up exactly what someone said. The Internet doesn't forget.
Oh, by the way---if you think your commentary in any way was taken as a rebuke, you are sadly mistaken. Quite frankly, it just showed more of precisely to what extent you seem to understand.
And I realize that you are inordinately proud of being an NRA instructor, Gary. You might want to bear in mind that not only are you not the only one, but more importantly, SO MANY OF THEM disagree with you.
You cannot rationalize away three things
Neighborhood Watch was the point of the thread, protecting people and property
you are a internet bully
You are incorrect about a few things.
Come see me anytime at my place of business and stand before me with your concerns, rather than just spread internet rumors that are untrue. I suggest you look at problem real close to the vest
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The response probably has something to do with your statements of:
"Street Fishing"
and
"...to try and catch these guys."
....neither of which, of course, neighborhood watch groups do. They neither troll nor fish for crime, nor do they attempt to catch criminals.
Admin agrees...and I tire of your antics Gary so pack up your fishing gear and go home
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Back to the point of the thread, any folks want to start or support a downtown Lincoln neighborhood watch program?
http://www.klkntv.com/story/26697616/unl-student-robbed-assaulted
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By the way Gary, unless you are simply trying to harass me personally (again), if you send me a private message (which you have, again), then you should probably not block me from responding (again).
If you simply want to talk about yourself and not engage in a dialogue, I have no issue with reporting you. I don't really need to periodically get messages from you as monologues talking about yourself and your righteousness. If you want a dialogue, then we can have one.
I suggest that you either not write me private messages, or you allow responses.
As with the last time you did this, since you have blocked my response in private, I will make my response public:
I do not know why you dislike me. Dont care. I do request you try to be kind to forum members, even me. I wish you no grief, I have never said a bad word about you, but I get the feeling the feeling is not mutual. If you do not like me, how about you just put me on your ignore list.
I'd prefer to ignore you, Gary. But, you keep saying things that are either wrong (and will get other people in trouble if they follow them) or unsafe (which will get people hurt if they go with your opinion).
If you merely said things that I disagreed with, I wouldn't care----I can get along quite well with people who have different viewpoints or opinions than myself. But you tend to often go far past simply having a different opinion--into actually telling people things that are untrue, or unsafe.
By the way, you have (plenty of times!) said bad things about me. You have done so quite often. I don't actually mind, because I give such comments from you the same weight I give your firearms comments.
It is odd, really. You seem to know motorcyles, photography, boating; you've run a successful business for quite some time; all of which makes me think you must be a competent person---but you continually say things regarding firearms that are just flat out dangerous or wrong.
As for the NWP, you are against them, or what?
From my understanding, it is eyes ears and a cellbphone. No interaction with the public directly.
Indeed. So why did you talk about fishing for crime and catching criminals? That's what got you into trouble.
Matter of fact, I even SAID in a post that neighborhood watch does neither of the things that you said.
These three prople, doing violent crime in the neighborhood of my business are going to kill someone. Each attack gets worse.
If you have a better suggestion, let me know.
Sorry we are not friends. Not my choice.
Considering the number of comments you've made about me personally over time, it isn't a surprise. After all, most of the time when people disagree with you, you make a personal comment about them.
You might think about stopping with the personal attacks, and doing a fact check on your statements before making pronouncements.
I note also:
You cannot rationalize away three things
Neighborhood Watch was the point of the thread, protecting people and property
you are a internet bully
You are incorrect about a few things.
Come see me anytime at my place of business and stand before me with your concerns, rather than just spread internet rumors that are untrue. I suggest you look at problem real close to the vest
Fishing for criminals and catching them was your stated point of the thread. As I said, Neighborhood Watch does neither of those things.
I listed specific things that you have said in this forum. As such, calling them "rumors" makes little sense, as people can simply search this forum and find exactly where you said them.
As for being an Internet bully----if you don't like someone listing what YOU have said, then perhaps you shouldn't say those things.
If I am incorrect about anything I've said, the handy thing about this forum is that people can point out the errors, and we collectively can reach the truth. (This is what is getting you into trouble, by the way.) What I've written in this forum is available all the time to everyone. As such, if there are errors of fact, or differences of opinion, people can write corrections or opinions of their own, and we can all learn more, and discuss differences.
So---if I am "incorrect about a few things," you can simply point them out and make the real facts available.
That's one of the strengths of this forum. We have many people who are experts in all sorts of things, so on any general topic, you can get good information. And if bad information is given, there are generally several other people around who can give corrections.
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Gary asked me "Why do you feel a NWP would be a bad idea? Who said anything about CHP in relation to this?"
Nobody said that an NWP program would be a bad idea, and in your original post, a msg with a title of "Want to do some street fishing?", on a forum devoted to the protection of the 2nd Amendment, the implication was armed patrols.
The NFOA website has 7,000 members ranging over the ENTIRE state, and beyond. If your msg was suggesting an NWP then what kind of NWP would you suggest that could cover such an area?
My wife and I were in an NWP in coordination with the Lincoln police department for almost 20 years. Our house had a designated safe harbor decal on our front window, and we acted in that capacity more than once. We alerted the police to gang signs and signs of drug use. We rescued two children walking down the street one night in January, dressed in nothing but thin cotton pajamas. It was below freezing and they were crying and calling out for their mother, whom they couldn't find at home. And, for all those years, never once did I feel a need to arm myself. In fact, the only gun I had in the house was a .22 pistol which hadn't been fired since the 1970s and the brass on the cartridges in the gun belt had turned green and welded themselves to the leather loops. I had totally forgotten all about it and discovered it on the top shelf of my bookcase when we moved in 2012. (BTW, never once in the nearly 30 years that gun sat on that shelf did it climb down, go outside and shoot itself at someone!)
There is a lot you can do with a well organized and manned NWP, Gary, and no firearms are needed.
IF you really want to start an NWP in your neighborhood then go talk to your neighbors and set up a meeting at a designated time and place, and invite a rep from the Lincoln Police department. All together you and your neighbors can discuss ideas, get good advice from the LPD representative, formulate a plan and ask for volunteers. I can guarantee you that the police will not want armed individuals patrolling the neighborhoods. And, if you are not armed then you are placing yourself at unnecessary risk from thugs who may very well be armed. Save your armed response for attacks on your person, family and home.
Allow me to suggest that instead of having people stand around outside every night it would be better to install wireless IR monitoring cameras on high poles or in secret places around your neighborhood and have folks monitor them from the safety and security of their homes. That way they can turn on their screen record buttons if they see something suspicious and call the police. It would be a lot cheaper and safer, and you are collecting irrefutable evidence. But, armed patrols? Does Zimmerman ring any bells with you?
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Good response GG. Cameras are a great idea. When I read the original post I thought about the Byron Smith case in Minnesota. May want to look that one up if you don't remember it. You don't invite trouble into your home / garage / business / whatever in an attempt to stop crime. I didn't get Neighborhood Watch from the original post, especially with the title.
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I read on Facebook that George Zimmerman was wanting to get a reality show, maybe he could call it "Street Fishing with Zimmerman". They could have it on the Outdoor Channel.
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Well, based on this thread, among others, I know who I won't recommend for firearms training and instruction...
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Kind of like this??
YEAH... we gonna go totally Charles Bronson on these guys. I'm thinking this is a great idea, but since the baddies don't come out until ~3:00am I think it's an equally great idea that y'all come by my place for some pre-watch cocktails.
I did a Google search for recipes labeled "Neighborhood Watch" or "Vigilante" or "Judge and Jury" but found the internet sadly lacking. Necessity being Da Baby Momma of Invention I've taken the liberty to craft my own. Gentlemen, I give you .... (insert drum roll sound effect) ....
The Neighborhood Watch
2 ounces Beefeater gin
.5 oz Cointreau
.75 oz fresh squeezed orange juice
1 oz fresh squeezed lime juice
Two dashes Luxardo Maraschino
Shake violently for ~30 seconds with plenty 'o ice and strain into a pre-chilled NFOA-logo cocktail coupe. Garnish with a lime twist.
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Interesting thread.
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Forget the neighborhood watch. Who wants to walk around with some pizza boxes or jimmy johns sandwiches south of the capital tonight and see what happens?
According to the local rag: "Two delivery drivers robbed in Lincoln within two hours"
66bigblock
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This thread has run it's course