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General Categories => Carry Issues => Topic started by: Dan W on July 24, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
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Here it is...
Preliminary information that I hope will clear up some of the questions surrounding the CHP renewal process that will officially get under way on August 1, 2011
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The following information is TENTATIVE from the Nebraska State Patrol regarding the renewal process for Concealed Handgun Permits.
Final rules for renewal will be posted at the NSP website soon, but are not finalized at this time.
http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealCarry.aspx (http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealCarry.aspx)
Since the first permits were issued in January 2007, those permits will be due for renewal here very soon.
- The Nebraska State Patrol WILL NOT BE SENDING REMINDERS to permit holders when it is time to renew. This responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the permit holder. The cost of the Renewal Permit is $50
- Current permit holders may apply for a “Renewal” permit up to FOUR months prior to their permit expiring. Keep in mind there is NO GRACE PERIOD AT ALL, if you allow your permit to expire you will no longer qualify for a renewal, and you must go through a new training class and apply for a new $100 permit.
- Renewal Permits will likely take the full 45 days to renew, so it is recommended that you apply for your renewal NO LESS THAN ONE MONTH before it expires. Applying at least 45 days before expiration should definitely cover you.
- Applicants DO NOT need to take another training class. They also will NOT be required to present any proof of training certificate when applying for a renewal permit.
- Applicants must apply for the renewal permit IN PERSON at the Nebraska State Patrol Troop Headquarters or the Lincoln CID office. You will be fingerprinted and photographed again for the renewal permit.
- Applicants must bring your Drivers License and current NE Concealed Handgun Permit with you when applying for a renewal. (you will not need the birth certificate or passport again). Military members WILL need to bring a copy of their current “Permanent Duty Station Orders” when applying for a renewal
- The Nebraska State Patrol will allow you to keep your current Concealed Handgun Permit while you are waiting for the Renewal permit to arrive (allowing you to continue to carry), however they will likely request that you mail in and return the old permit once the new one comes to you.
Thanks to
Chris Zeeb
NE Firearms Training, LLC
www.NebraskaConcealedCarry.com (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/www.NebraskaConcealedCarry.com)
For gathering this information for the NFOA
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The first issue I had with this information is that the current statute calls for a 5 day turn a round process for renewals.
011.02 An application for renewal must be completed by permit holder affirming that the permit holder still meets all current requirements for obtaining a permit. The application must be accompanied with the appropriate fee. All applications for renewal will be cleared through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to assure continuing compliance with statutory requirements. The permit will be renewed and reissued within five (5) working days of receipt of the application valid for a five year period from the date of expiration of the initial permit.
While I understand that the one person processing the permits is buried under stacks of applications, rules are rules >:D
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I see in the statute Dan quotes that the five year renewal period runs from "the date of expiration of the initial permit." Sounds like you might not loose anything by applying early for the renewal permit.
Is that right?
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I quoted that directly from the Administrative Code, so Yes, I have to say that is right and the way I read it
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Unfortunately State Government (like most branches of Govt), is not real fast to get people replaced and fill positions that are needed.
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Good info! Thanks! My two digit license expires right soon. Can't believe it's been 5 years already.
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This brings up things I hadn't thought of before. The new photo kind of makes sense, not sure about them needing new finger prints though. Kind of seems like overkill. What about Utah? Will they need a new photo also? Or prints? Don't remember what it said on the app now. Have to look that up. The Arizona permit doesn't even have a photo on it.
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The reason NSP is doing prints is only because their system requires the to print individuals when photographing someone.
Utah only needs the photo for renewal, no prints
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As my CHP renewal falls into the 4 month renewal period tomorrow, thought I would swing by NSP CID this afternoon just to see if I could turn in paperwork, get printed, etc. After attempting to renew, I was told I could not until next week. The problem lay in the fact there "system" was not set up yet for renewal. Specifically, the required 5 day turnaround to issue renewals. So....magically something will happen on Monday to allow for renewals. Have been assured that Monday they will proceed with said renewals.
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Thanks for the update... I was almost going there this afternoon, but I got a call about some rifles I needed to pickup.
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Can anyone confirm that your application must still be notarized?
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Can anyone confirm that your application must still be notarized?
This from the state patrol website...yes. However, I don't know personally, mine isn't up for renewal yet.
http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealHowToApply.aspx (http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealHowToApply.aspx)
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Yes, it must be notarized. Received my renewal in about 8 days total.
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Yes, it must be notarized. Received my renewal in about 8 days total.
That is just odd. You have to apply in person, so you could provide the desired forms of ID to the State Patrol office. What is some Notary going to do that is more official? Look at your ID, sign the paper, and put their seal on it. Is this bureaucracy at its finest, or am I missing something here?
Fly
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"That is just odd. You have to apply in person, so you could provide the desired forms of ID to the State Patrol office. What is some Notary going to do that is more official? Look at your ID, sign the paper, and put their seal on it. Is this bureaucracy at its finest, or am I missing something here?"
Funny.....they do look at your DL/ID at CID. That being said, a notary is just verifiying your signature is your signature...that's all.
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Dan W, Chris Z, or others who might have contacts in the Nebraska State Patrol,
Would the State Patrol be receptive to a suggestion that this is an unnecessary step when we are already providing our current ID and CHP to their office when applying? Or is this written into the statute?
Edited to add: We are providing an ID and also getting finger printed. And they need a notary to verify it is our signature!? Please help me understand.
Fly
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Renewals should be pretty easy. The statute requires a full criminal check for the initial permit, but renewals go through NICS.
Also, the statute doesn't appear to require a notarized signature. The requirement is imposed by NSP and they could remove it if they want to.
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Renewal was so simple it takes more time to complain about the process.....
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Simple, yes but it costs me another hour of my time to get the notary to sign off.
ETA I already have to take time off from work to get it done
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Simple, yes but it costs me another hour of my time to get the notary to sign off.
ETA I already have to take time off from work to get it done
I would be happy to compose a letter as an individual to the Nebraska State Patrol laying out the redundancy, but I was hoping someone in the NFOA might have a rapport with the NSP.
Fly
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Contact Chris Z
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I have emailed the question to someone I know, that knows someone, that knows someone.... I will post the reply when I get it.
My suspicion is, this is just a technicality..... A requirement to CYA on the state patrol's side. For example if someone lies on, or falsifies their application I would guess the fact that they signed it in front of a notary would stand up in court a little better than the clerk at the counter of NSP would......
People have a difficult time following instructions.... At every single class I teach, I instruct everyone right away and multiple times... "DO NOT SIGN THE APPLICATION, YOU MUST SIGN IT IN FRONT OF A NOTARY".... And guess how many times I have someone bring their application up and say, "Uh I guess I didn't listen well, I already signed this"????????? Almost every single class there is at least one.
I am guessing by requiring the application to be notarized, it is helping the clerks at the NSP office by giving them a clear black and white line...... Its either signed and notarized or its not.
Otherwise, every single day the clerks would deal with... "Oh come on, just take it, I just signed it"....... Then if there is something wrong or falsified, the clerk could not honestly testify that they watched the applicant sign it.
Heck, maybe I'm overthinking it.... Maybe there is no real good reason it is done... But I'll post the answer when I get it!
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My real problem with the rule is that it is not required by statute, yet NSP rules that it is, while on the other hand the NSP refuses to change a signage rule without specific language in the statute.
Either the NSP has the power to make up the rules or they do not...choose one and stick with it
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My real problem with the rule is that it is not required by statute, yet NSP rules that it is, while on the other hand the NSP refuses to change a signage rule without specific language in the statute.
Either the NSP has the power to make up the rules or they do not...choose one and stick with it
Chris Z...I bet you are right. I can see them coming up with that answer. Hopefully, they are not a member on the forum so they now know how to answer the question. ;D Considering how people are, I can see this as a legitimate CYA policy. I would probably come up with the same policy myself after dealing with several applicants who wanted me to accept the form when they did not sign it in front of me. With this rule, it is on the notaries shoulders to enforce the rule.
Dan W...I agree with your statement. Let me also add (and I know this may sound lame and cheap on my part) that I don't like anyone making up a rule that adds to the expense of me exercising my rights. Whatever a notary charges ($5, 10, 15?), it is not fair that I have to tack this on to my bill.
Fly
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The clerk can verify my identity by use of a Nebraska drivers license, verifies the quality of my finger prints, verifies the application is properly filled out, takes my picture and checks my background via NICS, but they draw the line at watching me sign my name ???
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Heck, maybe I'm overthinking it.... Maybe there is no real good reason it is done... But I'll post the answer when I get it!
Honestly... I think it's just another hoop to make people jump through. For some reason I always end up putting off things that need to be notarized... and I am a notary!
/rl
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It may be that they use the same form
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It may be that they use the same form
Yes, the same form is used for initial application, renewal, personal data change, and replacement for lost or stolen permits.
http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/forms/ccw/CCW_NSP1710_Application.pdf (http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/forms/ccw/CCW_NSP1710_Application.pdf)
The notarization requirement is not a big deal to me. My bank(and most banks, I'm sure) will notarize anything I bring in at no charge to me.
I'd much rather put more effort towards doing away with CCW permits altogether and work towards Constitutional Carry here in Nebraska than worrying about getting the application form notarization eliminated.
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Here is a novel Idea.
A guy I work with just showed me his new IA CCW permit, and they used the same photo as his drivers license.
Apparently the State of IA can share such things between agencies.
Wouldn't it be grand if we could just mail in our renewal and NSP could access our DL info and print a pic??
Greg58
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Here is a novel Idea.
A guy I work with just showed me his new IA CCW permit, and they used the same photo as his drivers license.
Apparently the State of IA can share such things between agencies.
Wouldn't it be grand if we could just mail in our renewal and NSP could access our DL info and print a pic??
Greg58
One catch is the requirement to be fingerprinted again
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One catch is the requirement to be fingerprinted again
Mine used to change quite often when I was still wrenching. The smell of melting flesh is not a pleasant one. :o
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Mine used to change quite often when I was still wrenching. The smell of melting flesh is not a pleasant one. :o
The welding occupation will do that to you, too.
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I would have thought it would have been simple to keep your same number just like our DL that doesn't change. I miss my single digit
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I would have thought it would have been simple to keep your same number just like our DL that doesn't change. I miss my single digit
The # changes? Dammit! Mine was a double digit. Oh well.
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I finally had time to go out to the CID office today. Notarized app in hand.
The clerk took my ID and a check, looked over my app and then said "OK, thank you" and walked away. After a minute or two passed the clerk walks back and I say
" I need to get my photo and fingerprints taken, right?"
"Oh , yes... Sorry...it's Friday". ::)
Nicole took my prints... Very nice lady :D
BTW I asked about a time element and they said 5-10 days for a renewal tops
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BTW I asked about a time element and they said 5-10 days for a renewal tops
Got my renewed permit today... 4 business days - nice job Lincoln CID office!
The new permit expires 5 years from the expiration date of the old one, as I had hoped would be the case, and after thoroughly reading the cover letter, I saw no request to return my old permit. I will put it in safe keeping in case that changes.
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Went to renew, no trouble, no hassle, very nice people. Before I left, the lady said don't forget to destroy your old permit when you get your new one or you can send it to us to destroy.
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The gal that fingerprinted me@CID in Lincoln told me I had to mail my old permit in to the address on the back of the permit.
So I did.
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The gal that fingerprinted me@CID in Lincoln told me I had to mail my old permit in to the address on the back of the permit.
So I did.
Looks like a clarification is in order.
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There is nothing in statute or rules for CHP created by NSP that require destruction or return of the old CHP
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I received the first Nebraska CHP in 2007, but I forgot what day it was when renewal time came around and was apparently the second to renew my permit. It may be different at different locations, but my experience at the office in Lincoln was good. It took a little longer than I would have hoped, with the new photo, fingerprints, and such, but all in all I was satisfied. I went in on a Tuesday (late morning), and I had my new permit in my hand on Thursday afternoon (the same week). I suppose the notary thing is a bit of overkill, but it's not that big of a deal. I was told they could normally take care of it in the office, but in case their resident notary was off for the day, it would be prudent to get the application notarized ahead of time. If you don't have access to a notary otherwise, call ahead and see what they say. I miss my old 00001 number. :(
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Just did my renewal in Norfolk, mine runs out end of month I should have done it earlier. The person doing the application prints etc. for me was also a Notary so she witnessed my signature. Said 5-7 days which means I will be carrying expired permit for a few days.
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Maybe you'll be lucky and get yours in about a day and a half like I did.
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I negoitated my renewal form at Troop C office in Grand Island, Jan. 11, they made a new set of prints, accepted my $50,00 and said I'd get my renewal permit in about 12 weeks.
Absolutely nothing in the way of reason not to get a renewal immediately, or at least a few days.
Not a traffic ticket or any contact with a LEO in 5 years ! ! Go figure huh ? :P
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I negoitated my renewal form at Troop C office in Grand Island, Jan. 11, they made a new set of prints, accepted my $50,00 and said I'd get my renewal permit in about 12 weeks.
Absolutely nothing in the way of reason not to get a renewal immediately, or at least a few days.
Not a traffic ticket or any contact with a LEO in 5 years ! ! Go figure huh ? :P
I would inform them that ignorance of the law is no excuse! They have 5 business days by statute to issue the renewal
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Mine took 2 weeks. Not a big deal since it wasn't expired until 2/20.
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Poor Man....should you not get your permit RENEWAL within 5 business days allowing for weekends, you will be an exception and should file a complaint. Let us know how it turns out because the SP has been adhering to the law even in the midst of the busy new permit applications. Frankly, I will be surprised if you do not receive it within the prescribed time.
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I would inform them that ignorance of the law is no excuse! They have 5 business days by statute to issue the renewal
I was browsing the CC laws on the NE State Patrol's website and saw this under definitions...
002 DEFINITIONS
002.02 “Calendar days” shall mean the total number of days counted from a calendar and shall include weekends and holidays.
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Thanks everyone for your replys re: CHP renewal. I rechecked the date on the receipt I was given at the State Patrol Troop C office. It is plainly marked 1 / 11 / 12. I applied in plenty of time, my current permit expires 3 / 27 / 12. I will wait a "reasonable" amount of time since the expiration date is not causing a problem for me. However, as I count days, it now is 12 days, somewhat more than ( 5 ) huh? THANKS AGAIN FELLOWS ! :) ;)
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After the recent discussion regarding the time frame involved in CHP renewal, I phoned Senator John Wightman's office and requested a "current and complete" copy of the CHP law. Mr. Roger Keetle, aid, immediately mailed me a copy. Refering to this copy: Section 69-2430 (3) (b) "Beginning January 1, 2010, the permit to carry a concealed handgun shall be issued by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five days after the date an application for the permit has been made by the applicant if the applicant has complied with this section and has met all the requirements of section 69-2433."
Note that the text doesn't mention "business days", simply "days". Also, an inference may be taken that if a re-check of the applicant's criminal history record information check is deemed necessary. a time lag may be attributed to the check being delayed by the FBI. Could it be that several doors have been left open in the event that the time frame runs beyond the "forty five days" ? No immediate problem however, as previously stated, my permit is effective until 3/27/2012. ;)
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You need to read the "renewal" part. It is not the same as a new permit issue
011.02 An application for renewal must be completed by permit holder affirming that the permit holder still meets all current requirements for obtaining a permit. The application must be accompanied with the appropriate fee. All applications for renewal will be cleared through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to assure continuing compliance with statutory requirements. The permit will be renewed and reissued within five (5) working days of receipt of the application valid for a five year period from the date of expiration of the initial permit.
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Yaa Hoooo! I received my renewed CHP permit in today's mail. The process only took exactly 30 days and one polite letter to the State Patrol asking them to please not forget me, my application, and my $ 50.00 ! ;D
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Poor Man....should you not get your permit RENEWAL within 5 business days allowing for weekends, you will be an exception and should file a complaint. Let us know how it turns out because the SP has been adhering to the law even in the midst of the busy new permit applications. Frankly, I will be surprised if you do not receive it within the prescribed time.
Going on 18 calendar days (was told 12-14 working days when I renewed). Apparently five days was meant to mean metric days or something.
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Joe...you are now the second person with this "issue". Under statute they have only 5 days....so something is certainly amiss at the Circle K.
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Mine took almost a month - the problem is there is no provision for recourse in the law. If it takes longer than 5 days - which will be the case for the next several months when a large batch of renewals are due - there is nothing you can do about it. NSP doesn't get to it in 5 days - oh well.
I would be willing to bet if there was recourse such as if you permit isn't mailed in 5 days you get your permit AND a refund - they'd find a way to speed it up.
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Renewed 1-31, cash payment and was told 5-7 calender days......still no permit :(
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There is a state Senator's office looking into the issue with the extended delays getting renewals and permit issued. Hopefully they can help the nice folks at the NSP CID office get the appropriate level of staff to handle
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@Chris - Hopefully they can kick someone at CID into gear. Still no renewal and that's holding up my Utah renewal, too.
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To any of you on this thread or on the forum period that DID NOT GET your permit or renewal within the time prescribed by state statute..... Please EMAIL me directly, your real name, the date you applied, where you applied (Which Troop location), the date you received your permit.
I have the ear of someone who will personally look into this situation, but needs specific examples.
My email is: chrisz (at) nebraskafirearms (dot) org
Get this info to me ASAP please, and I will get back to my contact Monday
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I have only been waiting 20 working days for my inital permit and don't expect to see it any sooner then 45 days. But, boy does time go by slow when your waiting on something.:( Keep checking the box every day though.
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It sounds like initial applications are still taking over 7 weeks.
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It sounds like initial applications are still taking over 7 weeks.
Yep, I have a buddy who just got his and it took 55 days.
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Think I can get a credit on my account for the extra wait?
So that way the next time I have a ticket to pay or some paperwork to provide, I can blow off their legally mandated deadline by an equal number of days? You know, just to square the account.
I'm sure NSP would be cool with that, right?
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My brother just got his CCW teaching certificate.. after applying in June... it was absolutely ridiculous.
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We've now hit the one-month mark. Granted, my degree is in journalism and not mathematics, but I'm pretty sure that's more than 5 days.
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Today, I inquired about my renewal. The response:
"We apologize for the delay. Renewals require the same background check that a new permit does, therefore we are significantly behind in issuing renewals. I did check on your renewal, it is on the final step, and we will get it in the mail for you tomorrow."
Breath will not be held.
Again, I ask what happens to me when I miss the statutory deadline by 20 or so days because I was "significantly behind"?
Preaching to the choir, I know. Still, griping here is less costly than therapy.
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I thought that renewals only required a NICS check
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See, the NSP was just waiting for me to make a bold prediction. Renewal showed up today.
I was amused by the "Person of Interest" background check. According to the dates, it was requested and completed yesterday, just coincidentally the same day I inquired. Imagine the the odds of that timing!
So, once the 5 minutes background check came back "no wants, no warrants," they were able to process my renewal.
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Just so were clear here are the renewal regs
011 RENEWAL OF PERMITS
011.01 Permit holders may renew a permit to carry a concealed handgun within the four (4) months prior to expiration of the initial permit at any Nebraska State Patrol Troop Headquarters or office provided by the patrol for purposes of accepting such applications.
011.02 An application for renewal must be completed by permit holder affirming that the permit holder still meets all current requirements for obtaining a permit. The application must be accompanied with the appropriate fee. All applications for renewal will be cleared through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to assure continuing compliance with statutory requirements. The permit will be renewed and reissued within five (5) working days of receipt of the application valid for a five year period from the date of expiration of the initial permit.
011.03 A current photograph will be required with the renewal application.
011.04 A permit holder letting an initial permit expire without applying for a renewal will be required to apply for another initial permit and meet all of the requirements for an initial permit
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Is it possible that they are unaware of what their procedure is supposed to be for renewal? Hard to believe but it sounds as if they are under the impression that all steps for approval of a renewal should be the same as the initial application for the permit.
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Thanks to the hard work of Chris Z., I found out that they "mistakenly filed" my renewal in the "New application" hopper. Shockingly, they admitted it was their mistake.
Of course, I have no recourse but to smile and say "Thank you, may I have another?"
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Is that happening to all renewals? Most people I have spoken to about their renewals have indicated very long wait times, and many are still waiting.
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Lincoln CID processed my renewal in late October 2011 in 4 business days
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FYI.............
As indicated earlier in this post, depending upon the NSP-stated 5-day renewal period for CHP renewals is not a good idea.
Case in Point: My $50.00 CHP renewal receipt is dated 2/28/12. As of today [3/20/12], my renewed license has not yet shown up in the mailbox. Going on a month now. Considerably longer than 5 days.
Definitely not ragging on the NSP CHP administration. Sgt. Craig Loveless is an excellent officer and is fully dedicated to his job. However, the CHP program is only part of his assignment. [Military calls it a collateral duty.]
It appears that--due to heavy demand--the CHP processing area is overloaded relative to the staff Worker Bees available to do the background checks, paper-pushing, laminating, mailing, filing, etc., etc.
The main point here is that if you have to renew your CHP, start at the four month renewal window.
sfg
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My receipt is 1/31, I called couple weeks ago and the nice lady reassured me I would receive it before the old one runs out! ::)
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How very considerate of her. Don't you ever doubt the bureaucracy, they'll take care of you. They are prompt, no matter how long it takes. ;D
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Well, at least now I know to put in as soon as the window for renewal opens up on my permit.
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I think it would be better if the legislature tries to rectify the problem of not issuing permits within the required time set forth in the law by putting the county sheriffs in charge of issuing CHP's. Having one statewide agency do all this work is quite a burden since there are only 6 locations to apply. Plus the only place that does process the background investigation is CID as I understand. I think its also a hardship on folks who live in the more remote areas of Nebraska like those who live up in Cherry County. Considering gas prices and the distance and time it would be better for each county sheriff to handle this job.
Any thoughts? Should this be a new NFOA goal in the next legislative session? I really think its important because govt bureaucracy can't be trusted to issue permits in a timely manner, especially in an "emergency".
Course the ultimate goal is to abolish permits altogether in favor of constitutional carry.
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The idea has its merits but it may create a much more daunting task to deal with dozens of jurisdictions/interpretations scattered across the state, rather than a single system/jurisdiction.
I think it would be better if the legislature tries to rectify the problem of not issuing permits within the required time set forth in the law by putting the county sheriffs in charge of issuing CHP's... Any thoughts? Should this be a new NFOA goal in the next legislative session? I really think its important because govt bureaucracy can't be trusted to issue permits in a timely manner, especially in an "emergency".
Course the ultimate goal is to abolish permits altogether in favor of constitutional carry.
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How is having 93 county governments ignoring the law better than 1?
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+1 Dan.....they can't even keep all the county roads open in Saunders County due to the bridges being in disrepair. They're certainly not going to have the bones to fund employees for CHPs.
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How is having 93 county governments ignoring the law better than 1?
The hope would be that the sheriffs would have an easier time complying with the time set forth in the law than the NSP is having right now since they wouldn't have to deal with as many applications. Although I admit there would be potential for issues in the more populous counties such as Douglas, Lancaster, and Sarpy since those three would probably be dealing with the bulk of the permits.
Well and I suppose that these problems with NSP just gives us another pointer for down the road when we will argue for constitutional carry ;-)
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Douglas Co. already has 'issues' just dealing with Permit To Purchase renewals. It may have just been the clerk behind the window when I went to renew but it took 20 minutes for a 5 minute process. When she ran the background check, she did not use my full legal name, she punched in 'initial' - 'initial' - 'last name' and got a 10 page printout which we had to go through with 20 plus names and me explaining why "I" was not that person on her sheet. I mean, come on !! A 6'2" Black male, 290#, in his late 20's..... On a good day, I'm 5'7" 180# and WHITE !!
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Here’s a CHP RENEWAL TWIST I haven’t seen anyone mention in this post. And hopefully, this situation is bogus.
The 4 month renewal window opened up for my CHP renewal on 5/24/12. On 5/29/12 I went to the NE State Patrol Troop “A” HQ in Omaha and turned in all the required notarized paperwork, check the RENEWAL box, got a new photo taken, new fingerprints taken, showed them my old renewable CHP permit, they made a copy of my driver’s license, etc., covered all the bases like a good boy.
On Friday 6/1/12, received a letter from the NSP saying, “It has been determined that your Concealed Handgun Permit Application is incomplete.” To which I thought, there must be some airhead who doesn’t have a clue trying to process my CHP RENEWAL application. Which still may be true!!!
What the NSP letter requested was that I PROVE I’ve been a NE resident for the past 180 days. That just blew my mind having been a NE resident my entire life and that request just floored me. They wanted "what" on an already established RENEWAL for CHP permit?
Anyway, the NSP letter went on to state that, “What I needed to furnish the NSP to complete my CHP application was,”
1. The original letter they sent to me saying the application was incomplete.
2. I needed to also enclose Proof of 180 day Nebraska residency by furnishing either (a Utility bill OR Paystub, OR mortgage/bank statement dating back more than 180 days.)
I had the option to either mail it in to the NSP in Lincoln, or to again go to the NSP HQ in Omaha.
So, being a nice guy and being very pleasant about the whole situation, today, 6/4/12, I made copies of my utility bills that were over six months old. Then I made copies of both the NSP letter and the utility bill, so I had a set of required paperwork for myself.
When I gave the girls in the NSP Troop "A" HQ Omaha office the required information I had them physically SIGN MY COPIES just in case the documentation would be needed somewhere down the line for future proof they did have all the required RENEWAL information.
When thinking about the situation, I asked the girls in the office WHY they didn’t ask me for proof of residency when I turned in my RENEWAL application. They told me that every once in a while the NSP randomly issues letters like the one I received (maybe they were just covering for someone). The 180 day requirement should only be on original new CHP applications IMO.
This is worth a thought, A driver’s license DOES NOT prove you have been living in NE for the last 180 days. Your CHP permit DOES NOT prove you have been living in NE for the last 180 days. I also told them to insure, that if RENEWAL applicants have to prove a they have been a resident for the past 180 days on a renewal application, they needed to start asking people for that information WHEN they apply for the RENEWAL, so the NSP wouldn’t have to write these bogus letters and waste my time and theirs.
I also asked them how long it would take for me to receive my CHP renewal. They told me it would probably be around 60 days, as that is why the NSP has a four month window established for renewals. I just said thank you and went on my way, before I said something I might regret. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to receive my CHP renewal, and I will update this post when I receive my renewal.
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Why do you need proof of residency for renewal but not initial?
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WESchultz...they have 5 WORKING days to renew your permit from the time you submit for said renewal....not "60 days" or any other random time because you renewed in the 4 month early period. I would begin calling after 5 WORKING days and insist the abide by the LAW !!!
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There must be a big problem with Nebraskans getting a CHP and then moving out of state until it's time to renew. ::)
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WESchultz...they have 5 WORKING days to renew your permit from the time you submit for said renewal....not "60 days" or any other random time because you renewed in the 4 month early period. I would begin calling after 5 WORKING days and insist the abide by the LAW !!!
I, too, found myself wondering if any of the renewal folks had tried doing what several new-permit folks have done and call to set up a time to pick up the new CHP just after day 5.
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FYI, Thanks for the advice. I did call the NSP in Lincoln today just to make sure they had everything on my CHP RENEWAL application and that it was being processed correctly.
They said YES, they had my RENEWAL application and it was right on schedule being processed as a RENEWAL, and I would definitely have it BEFORE my original CHP expires in September... Still interesting.... This is working day 5 giving them the benefit of the initial day my application was submitted 5/29/12.
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2-3 days mail time....should have it by next Monday.... at the LATEST....I think you are justified in asking for it next Tuesday.
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Received my CHP RENEWAL in the snail mail today 6/8/12. Nine days total from the time I turned in the required renewal application paperwork till I had the new renewed CHP in my hands. This includes the time spent dealing with their letter requesting proof of NE residency. I'm happy ;D, their happy ;D. Can't really complain about a nine day turnaround. All in all, I feel the NSP did a good job processing my renewal, etc.
That being said, I still wouldn't want anyone to wait until the last minute to apply for their CHP renewal.
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What the NSP letter requested was that I PROVE I’ve been a NE resident for the past 180 days. That just blew my mind havig been a NE resident my entire life and that request just floored me. They wanted "what" on an already established RENEWAL for CHP permit?
Anyway, the NSP letter went on to state that, “What I needed to furnish the NSP to complete my CHP application was,”
1. The original letter they sent to me saying the application was incomplete.
2. I needed to also enclose Proof of 180 day Nebraska residency by furnishing either (a Utility bill OR Paystub, OR mortgage/bank statement dating back more than 180 days.)
I had the option to either mail it in to the NSP in Lincoln, or to again go to the NSP HQ in Omaha.
My four month renewal period is coming up on 06/24/2012 and I was just reading through the NE state patrol website renewal info. I saw that "proof of address" part and wondered the same thing. I remember when I got my initial permit that all they wanted was my drivers license and birth certificate.
My question is: How are some of us Nebraska residents supposed to prove this if our names are not on utility bills? I live with relatives in a single family home and do not deal with those bills.
And how does a paystub prove anymore than a drivers license that I'm a Nebraska resident? I could be living in Iowa and working in Nebraska. Also: The only way to get them a paystub is to print it off from the online workpaysite. They have not mailed our paystubs in paperform for some time now.
Also: How does any of the above documents from over 180 days ago prove that I am still a Nebraska resident right now (at the time of application)? Shouldn't they demand one document from over 180 days ago and another current document?
Has this happened to anyone else? Is this just a random thing like they told WESchultz? I dont want to just turn those docs in automatically without having been asked and then have them think they can make a habit of requiring it from everyone.
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Personally I've never liked this 180 day residency requirement. Its obviously an arbitrary violation of the 2nd Amendment and many other states don't have this stupid clause. I think in Iowa you are deemed a resident as soon as you obtain an Iowa drivers license or an Iowa State ID card. Our law needs to be amended to do just that.
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Update: Well I went into the state patrol to renew the permit on Tuesday June 26th 2012. Apparently your car registration also serves as proof of address/180 day residency, however she said since its just the renewal I dont have to worry about any of that. All she needed was to see my old permit, and my drivers license. She didnt need the birth certificate or the old training certificate or anything else, just the $50 ;) . The lady told me it would be 2-3 weeks. Then Thursday morning I went camping and came back Saturday and my permit was already at home. They issued it June 27th 2012. I guess they are finally caught up and following the law too. Thanks to all of you who called, emailed, and wrote the governor and the other officials. Thanks to you the state is following state law again.
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Perhaps the NFOA should send a letter to the NSP thanking them for taking the necessary steps to correct the situation.
I know they weren't meeting the requirements of the law and it took pressure to make them comply, BUT, it would certainly further a good relationship from here on in if we would show gratitude for their response.
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Plus 1 on Metaldoc.
I was just sitting here, thinking the same thing.
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I have already formally reached out, not only to the NSP but to the ombudsmans office and Governors office to thank them for the assistance in getting things working properly. Received a reply from the Ombudsmans office that they were surprised to get the thanks for doing their job. Common courtesy is something that seems to be laking today.
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I have already formally reached out....
Thank you! ( I had a feeling you probably took care of this.)
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I have learned a few things, and this situation may have helped us for the future.
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I dropped off my renewal app yesterday in Omaha. Took about 10 mins for the new picture & fingerprints. I was prepared with proof of address/residency info and it was refused. I confirmed they did NOT require it and she said 'not on renewals'. Was also told I should have it within 2 weeks, so we'll see.
Thanks to you all who smoothed out the process for us.
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Received new permit in the mail today- 4 day turnaround including mailing time.
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I expect every 5th year between January and April or May things will get bottle necked.
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Sorry to resurrect an old post, but I have a few questions.
1) Has anyone done the renewal process in 2013?
2) If so, how long is the process taking?
3) If you renew early (for example, in the month prior to expiration) will the new permit be issued with an expiration five years from the month the renewal is issued, or five years from the original permit expiration?
Thanks,
Fly
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I renewed in 2012, and five years from the original permit expiration is the rule. Processing is by law 5 days
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An application for renewal must be completed by permit holder affirming that
the permit holder still meets all current requirements for obtaining a permit.
The application must be accompanied with the appropriate fee. All applications for renewal will be cleared through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to assure continuing compliance with statutory requirements.
The permit will be renewed and reissued within five (5) working days of receipt of the application, valid for a five year period from the date of expiration of the initial permit
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I renewed in 2012, and five years from the original permit expiration is the rule. Processing is by law 5 days
I guess I should have been more clear. I understand that the law says that the NSP has 5 days to turn a renewal, but reading other posts in this thread, I was wondering what the current ACTUAL processing time is. Is the NSP living up to the law? I'm just wondering if I need to get it done any earlier than my month of expiration.
Fly
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NSP seems to be complying with renewals within the prescribed 5 WORKING (BUSINESS) days....
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Mine Took..........
58 Days
and was buttressed by a phone call to the CID.
They musta thought it was an original application.
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Mine Took..........
58 Days
and was buttressed by a phone call to the CID.
They musta thought it was an original application.
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SFG,
How recent was that?
Fly
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Fly...........
Good idea to clarify that point.
As I recall, it was last year, maybe April-May or so.
Definitely NOT recently.
I wouldn'tna even brought it up, but that extensive delay has alway stuck w/me. Was supposed to be five (5) days. Only.
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SFG,
IIRC - you got caught in the "5 year from original license" renewal cluster as did a number of "new" applicants in the March/April/May time frame (Me for one). Took me about 70 days from application to get my card in hand. NSP had a retirement - a transfer out - and 'newbies' in the department handling the paperwork.
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I renewed mine in February - dropped off the application at the Omaha State Patrol office on a Tuesday, had my renewed permit in the mail on Saturday.
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Upcrawfish:
Guess that makes us Notch Babies...............
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I thought I remember reading someones post saying if they renewed the maximum days prior to expiration, then their new expiration month would be the month they applied for renewal.
For example: Original CHP expires in March 2013. Certificate holder applies for renewal in February. New CHP has expiration date of February 2018.
Or was that just a false rumor?
Fly
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Fly............
The timing that you describe was indeed employed on my CHP - Instructor renewal application. Basically, I lost two months. No whining here; just stating what happened.
I'll hafta do some research on the CHP cert to see what actually happened.
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That is incorrect. Renewals expire on the same day and month as the original. At least that is how they are supposed to be.
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Sorry SFG, we posted at the same time. I was replying to the post above yours.
I don't know the rule for instructor renewals.
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Husker Fan:
No Sweatsky.
BTW......Good to hear from you.
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As my dad says, "It's good to be heard from." :)
You now have a reputation with my wife akin to a drug dealer. You're the guy I go off to meet in the middle of the day to fill up my stock of brass. Then I disappear to the basement for a couple of nights to reload.
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I called the NSP and made an appointment to submit my "Nebraska CHP Application/Renewal" form and get fingerprinted. When I spoke to their office, the young lady told me I would need the completed application, driver's license, old CHP, and a form of payment (cash or check). When I asked if the form needed to be notarized, she specifically said "We have notaries in the office. Just bring the completed form, but do not sign it".
However, when I look at the NSP website How to Apply or Renew (https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/applyorrenew.aspx) page, it says to bring "Completed and notarized application form (renewal check on front)". Emphasis added.
So for those who have renewed, what has been your experience? Do you need to notarize it ahead of time, or is making sure there is a notary in the office one of the reasons they require an appointment?
Thanks,
Fly
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I called the NSP and made an appointment to submit my "Nebraska CHP Application/Renewal" form and get fingerprinted. When I spoke to their office, the young lady told me I would need the completed application, driver's license, old CHP, and a form of payment (cash or check). When I asked if the form needed to be notarized, she specifically said "We have notaries in the office. Just bring the completed form, but do not sign it".
However, when I look at the NSP website How to Apply or Renew (https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/applyorrenew.aspx) page, it says to bring "Completed and notarized application form (renewal check on front)". Emphasis added.
So for those who have renewed, what has been your experience? Do you need to notarize it ahead of time, or is making sure there is a notary in the office one of the reasons they require an appointment?
Thanks,
Fly
I haven't renewed, but I don't possibly see how having it notarized ahead of time can be detrimental. Plus, if they have someone call in sick or out on break you're covered.
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The Omaha NSP has signs on the wall saying that they don't have notaries available. I was reminded of this a few months ago when I went to renew my permit.
I'd recommend getting it notarized ahead of time.
/rl
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Good advice gents. Well taken. I would prefer to not let anyone know I have a CHP though (e.g., a notary), but it is probably sound advice.
Fly
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If you were in Omaha I'd notarize it for you, but I won't be in Lincoln any time soon.
/rl
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If you were in Omaha I'd notarize it for you, but I won't be in Lincoln any time soon.
/rl
Nice thought. Thanks for thinking of the possibilities.
Another question for the group. Did anyone NOT provide your SSN on the application? Just wondering if that delayed the process, and by how much?
Thanks again,
Fly
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I have heard from several sources that NSP will not notarize an application
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I have heard from several sources that NSP will not notarize an application
That's what I remember reading too. Maybe this young lady was just mistaken or they have had a change in policy.
I will likely get it notarized prior to my appointment and then ask again when I arrive at the NSP.
Fly
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Omaha NSP office when asked stated they Do NOT have a notary.
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Fly...we are beating "your horse" to death, but YES....get notarized prior to visit or you WILL be turned away. Also, "cover up" what your paperwork is about if you are concerned. A notary simply observes you signing and that it is indeed your signature. WHAT you are signing is not and should not be their concern. In short, they could notarize a blank piece of paper.
With regards to SSN, you may as well provide to expedite the background check. They already have it, and likely forego delays.
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Thanks everyone for the quick replies.
Fly
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Ok here is the gouge. I went to the Lincoln NSP CID office to submit my renewal form today. A few points of interest.
- Before I went in I had the form notarized for free at my bank. When I arrived at the NSP office, I asked again whether they would notarize the form. She assured me that they have 2 or 3 notaries in the office at all times and that they WOULD notarize the form. Just be sure not to sign it until you are in the office with the notary.
- They said to expect the new permit in approximately seven days, which I assume is the 5 days + a couple for mailing time.
- They said that I could destroy my old CHP when the new one arrived. No need to return it.
Hope that helps others. All-in-all a painless process, and the young ladies at the NSP are quite nice.
Fly
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They said to expect the new permit in approximately seven days, which I assume is the 5 days + a couple for mailing time.
They said that I could destroy my old CHP when the new one arrived. No need to return it.
They have 5 BUSINESS days (unlike Calender days for the original permit) so including the weekend with mail, yes 7 days most likely. Took my renewal that long. Now why would you destroy you old/original permit? Kind of like a trophy in my opinion..... :)
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I had an appointment with the NSP on Monday April 8, 2013 and my new permit was mailed four days later on Friday April 12, 2013.
Fly
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Had a 2:00PM appointment in Norfolk on 8/12/2013, received my new permit on the 8/21/2013. So 8 days from my application for renewal in Norfolk. Nice and quick might have been quicker if I would have gone to Lincoln but Norfolk was closer.
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Am I missing something here. You are making appointments with NSP offices to renew? Is this something new?
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"Am I missing something here. You are making appointments with NSP offices to renew? Is this something new?"
Yes.....as of 8 April 2013.....
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Everywhere but the Omaha office now requires an appointment.
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When I applied on June 4 in Omaha, I didnt have to make an appointment. Interesting that it changed. Their site is down right now to verify.
CAD
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Still no appt needed in Omaha. You do have to stand in line. Only about 10 mins when no line for anything else.
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My post was unclear. Omaha is the only office that does not require an appointment right now.
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Renewed my CHP August 23rd in Grand Island (Yes, I had made an appointment).
RECEIVED it today , 6 days later and this included 2 non working days.
Big surprise for me. Can't beat that for service! Thanks Troop C.
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Omaha Troop A. 4 months and 2 days out and I renewed in less than 15 minutes. Lady said I would have it in 10 days. Great service for sure!
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Wilson keep then honest. They only have 5 WORKING days......
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I recently renewed in Lincoln. Prints and picture at 11am Monday (they told me 10 days, and I reminded her it was 5, but no big deal since I have a few months before mine expires), I had the renewal in the mail on Weds same week.
Wife just went to Omaha and applied for the initial permit on Thursday March 13th, she received in on Weds April 9th..... So 28 days....
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Renewal on Monday about 1:00 pm and it was in the Saturday mail here in Ashland. :D
I am happy ;D
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Turned in renewal paperwork, pics, fingerprinting etc Friday 8/8/14.
Received my new permit today Thursday 8/14/13 postmarked 8/13.
Not too shabby
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I just called today to make an appointment in Lincoln. Their first available date was March 18th, so if you're getting close to renewal time don't wait too long. They're pretty backlogged.
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Last I saw/heard, Troop A in Omaha (108th & I Streets) was still taking walk-ins, if anyone's situation gets close to the wire.
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Just renewed mine a couple of weeks ago. Went to Troop "A". Got the form, went to bank to get it notarized, then back to HQ. Fingerprints and donations, then out the door. Got it in the mail in 3 days.
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I just called today to make an appointment in Lincoln. Their first available date was March 18th, so if you're getting close to renewal time don't wait too long. They're pretty backlogged.
I called this afternoon, February 25, first available date was March 21. The office person said they are really busy with renewals. She said that they could notarize the application for me, but I think that I'll stop at my bank and have it done ahead of time. Glad I didn't wait any longer.
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You don't have to go to the one closest to you do you? Say if you didn't want to wait for a month to get in with an appointment couldn't you just walk into the Omaha location where appointments aren't necessary and get it done immediately?
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Here’s the relevant NE State Patrol Website:
https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/ConcealedCarry.aspx
Here’s What it Sez:
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Applicants, who have completed an approved handgun training & safety course and completed a Concealed Handgun Permit Application, can present the application and necessary documentation in person to the Nebraska State Patrol location nearest them.
But the "nearest them" comment is probably just a courtesy convenience item, not a rule or regulation.
Notice that Troop A does not require an appointment. Word down below on later posts is that Troop D requires appointments, although they do not say so on the NSP website. Go figger.
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Nebraska State Patrol locations and times are listed below:
Anyone interested could simply give them a phone call and ask any questions that need to be answered.
After all, it's Your Government Agency and You are Paying for It.
Investigative Services Center
Criminal Identification Division (CID)
3800 NW 12th Street, Suite A
Lincoln, NE 68521
(402) 479-4971
Call to schedule an appointment
Monday-Friday
8:00- 4:20 p.m.
Troop A - Omaha
4411 South 108th Street
Omaha, NE 68137
No appointment necessary
(402) 331-3333
Monday - Friday
8:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Troop B - Norfolk
1401 W.Eisenhower Ave.
Norfolk, NE 68701
(402) 370-3456
Call to schedule an appointment
Monday-Thursday Only
8:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Troop C - Grand Island
3431 Old Potash Highway
Grand Island, NE 68801
(308) 385-6000
Call to schedule an appointment
Tuesday 9:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Wednesday 8:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Thursday 9:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m.
Troop D - North Platte
300 West South River Road
North Platte, NE 69103
(308) 535-6604
Monday-Thursday Only
8:00 a.m.-4:00 p.m.
Troop E- Scottsbluff
4500 Avenue I
Scottsbluff, NE 69361
(308) 632-1214
Call to schedule an appointment
Monday-Wednesday
8:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m (MT).
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On the most current application, Troop D also says an appointment is needed... although when I clicked on the 'Conceal Carry Permit Locations' on the State Patrol website it did not.
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I renewed at troop D a little over a year ago and I had to make an appointment .
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Turned in my new CHP app to Troop A 3/10/16, got fingerprinted and paid the fee. Now the waiting game begins... ::)
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I submitted my CHP on Feb 8th - still haven't received it. Is this typical for a new CHP - to take 5+ weeks to process? "up to 45 days" is what they stated for processing time, I'm close to that "up to" now.
EDIT: I submitted mine at Troop A facility, walk in and no real wait. I went in around 3pm that Monday as I remember.
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Depending on the amount of applications they are processing in Lincoln we have generally seen 4-6 weeks, usually toward the 6 weeks.
It's the waiting that makes it seem soooo long. ;D
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predictably - my CHP shows up today ;D
Feb 8 - paperwork submitted
Mar 15 - finalized and mailed
Mar 18 - in my mailbox
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Just went to the CID in Lincoln, NE for renewal last week, I called on Monday, appointment set for Wed, I had filled out the form ahead of time, the counter clerk witnessed my signature no extra fee for the Notary $50 10 minute wait photo with and without glasses on, fingerprints scanned, had my permit at home in the mail the next Tuesday. Photo on permit is without glasses.
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Just got my permit yesterday.
For those who don't know, there is now a smart phone app gov2go which has an option to set up a renewal reminder. First it will ask for zip code. Then when you pick renewal reminder from list permit number and drivers license number. It doesn't actually show the date you'll get the reminder so I don't know how far in advance it gives it. I guess I'll find out in 2023.
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For those who don't know, there is now a smart phone app gov2go which has an option to set up a renewal reminder.
Meh, I just setup a reminder in the calender on my phone. Mine renews on a January date, so I have it set to remind me in October of the preceding year. I'd rather rely on that than use some 3rd party app.
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Meh, I just setup a reminder in the calender on my phone. Mine renews on a January date, so I have it set to remind me in October of the preceding year. I'd rather rely on that than use some 3rd party app.
I did both.
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Applied for a renewal of my CCP on Christmas day, and still ... nothing. Hmmm. Any word of a backup?
Ron
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By statue they only have 5 office days to renew a CHP. I would call the Lincoln office to inquire where your permit is @ (402) 471-4545
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I stupidly let mine expire. So I’ve got to start over totally from scratch and re-take the class, right? ::)
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Yes, if your CHP has expired you have to retake the full class and pay the $100. fee.
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Yes, if your CHP has expired you have to retake the full class and pay the $100. fee.
That’s what I thought I’d seen here before. Thanks.
No worries. I need to retake it again along with my wife. It would be a good thing to do together and we really should both have the permit if we are ever traveling together in a vehicle, watch with the way Nebraska law treats passengers in proximity to a gun.
Guess I’ll be looking for a good instructor around the Lincoln area.
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That’s what I thought I’d seen here before. Thanks.
It would be a good thing to do together and we really should both have the permit if we are ever traveling together in a vehicle, watch with the way Nebraska law treats passengers in proximity to a gun.
Guess I’ll be looking for a good instructor around the Lincoln area.
Can you explain what you mean by your comment, particularly the last part?
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Well I received it on the 9th. I guess it was the holiday's and the slow mail we all experience around that time. I was planning on calling the next morning when my wife took it out of the mail. Meh, its good for another 5 years and has the correct data on it, so I'm happy.
Ron