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Title: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: JTH on September 23, 2013, 05:50:08 PM
There are a lot of police officers out there who really know how to shoot.  They know their weapons, they know how to handle them, they have safe manipulation ingrained...

...and then there are people trained like this:

Firearms Training Basic Police Class BAS 07-100 V1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eumEulfXAc8#)

Can you count the safety issues?  I ran out of numbers.  My overall favorite occurred a whopping 9 seconds into the video (well, that favorite tied with him sweeping half the room and my really-hopeful wish that they are using brass-colored dummy rounds) when he put his finger on the trigger as he discusses the tac reload with the class.

When he drops the mag, his finger is on the slide.  But it wanders into the trigger guard and onto the trigger several times during his reload presentation (he always takes it off during the reload, but it ends up back on talks and waves the gun around)---and at no time was he simulating being on target.

After that, the rest of the class---follows his lead.  Among other things.  (Hey, look at 0:48 when one guy reloads while pointing the gun at his fellow trainee!)

Has any other them actually been taught how to grip a firearm?  Anything about an effective shooting stance?  (The amazing teacup grip at 1:07 is astonishing to me.)

I initially hoped this was a spoof---but it isn't.  Then I hoped it was some private security company working the lowest common denominator.  But no---it really seems to be a police academy in Ohio.

I hope I'm wrong.

I'm posting this as a "if you handle guns anything like this, please stop" video.  Sort of as a primer on what you shouldn't do when handling guns.  Stance, grip, sighting, safety---you name it, they'll show you how not to do it.
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: dcjulie on September 23, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
OUCH!  That was a very painful minutes of my life that I'll never get back!
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: Lorimor on September 23, 2013, 08:17:57 PM
Attitude is a factor as well.  No amount of training can overcome an indifferent or lackadaisical attitude. 
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: JTH on September 23, 2013, 08:43:54 PM
Attitude is a factor as well.  No amount of training can overcome an indifferent or lackadaisical attitude. 

And if safety isn't modeled, it doesn't matter how much the instructor says "be safe".

[sigh]  That combination can be (literally) deadly.
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: NENick on September 23, 2013, 09:02:25 PM
I was waiting for him to send a round off into the ceiling above the students. I was very shocked that no shooting occurred during the filming.
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: sjwsti on September 24, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
Having had the opportunity to train beside LEOs from numerous agencies (in and outside of Ne) I can say that what I saw on the video doesnt surprise me. LE training, just like civilian training, ranges from top tier to bottom of the barrel. This overweight, lazy instructor is a great example of what the bottom looks like.


- Shawn
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: SeanN on September 27, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
Scary...
Title: Re: Safe Gun Handling---if only it were taught more...
Post by: RedDot on September 27, 2013, 05:41:07 PM
It's a conspiracy!!  :o :o :o  I can see it now.  By having LEO's train and exercise dangerous/shoddy/stupid gun handling techniques they hope to increase the number of accidental discharges, self-inflicted GSW's, and Blue on Blue incidents they can go back later and say "See?...Guns are dangerous...even in the hands of 'highly' trained individuals"  It's the same logic they used on Fast & Furious.   ::)