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General Categories => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: Aldo on January 27, 2014, 01:11:24 PM
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The next IDPA Nebraska Indoor Match will be Saturday, February 1, 2014 at Thunder Alley Indoor Shooting Range, Lincoln, NE; 8:00am-11:00am (see registration info below).
Two stages. Minimum 12-18 rounds per stage. Can't go wrong with bringing a box of 50 rounds. ;D Self defense scenarios and standard exercises are the basis for all IDPA Matches, but the layout, Course of Fire (CoF) and exercise details can differ greatly from match to match.
$10 (Thunder Alley non-members)/$5 (Thunder Alley members). Registration starts at 7:15am; "walk through" briefing at 7:45am; match starts at 8:00am.
There is a Junior Division (ages 12-17).
Results of prior matches can be viewed at: http://idpanebraska.com/match-infolocationsresults.html (http://idpanebraska.com/match-infolocationsresults.html)
IDPA Rules: http://www.idpa.com/compete/rules (http://www.idpa.com/compete/rules)
For more information on IDPA Nebraska matches: info@idpanebraska.com
IDPA Nebraska
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So who is going this time? I think I may have talked some of the USPSA shooters from up here at ENGC to come down and shoot it---so the IDPA guys better all show up because we can't let any of those USPSA gamers win!
:)
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I would really like to go, but I may have company this weekend. Whether they show up on Saturday or Sunday determines whether I get to go to the IDPA or USPSA match.
If I start shooting IDPA regularly I'm going to need to get a second holster since my USPSA one has the dropped/offset attachment and I don't want to switch it out every time.
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I plan to be there.
Fly
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because we can't let any of those USPSA gamers win!
"Bring it on !!!!" (using my best high school blonde haired valley girl voice impression)
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I would really like to go, but I may have company this weekend. Whether they show up on Saturday or Sunday determines whether I get to go to the IDPA or USPSA match.
Bring them along. :) We can find ear and eye protection for them.
If I start shooting IDPA regularly I'm going to need to get a second holster since my USPSA one has the dropped/offset attachment and I don't want to switch it out every time.
Understandable.
Blade-Tech has a great combo pack for people who want to start in IDPA. More importantly, they work well for people who have a USPSA competition rig---but 1) don't want to switch out their DOH holster, and 2) realize that their competition mag pouches aren't legal in IDPA.
One holster (suitable for IDPA), one double-mag pouch, and a training barrel because you should dryfire practice at home. Best prices I've seen for these are on Optics Planet.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/blade-tech-revolution-combo-pack.html (http://www.opticsplanet.com/blade-tech-revolution-combo-pack.html)
That being said, if your mag pouches are already fine, just getting the Revolution holster from OpticsPlanet is only about $25. Uncle Mikes work okay also, but I personally think that Blade-Tech's holsters are higher quality, and still don't cost much. Comp-Tac makes really good holsters too, but the price starts going up at that point...
We all need to get some time in shooting IDPA stages---the classifier is coming up in March!
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Understandable.
Blade-Tech has a great combo pack for people who want to start in IDPA. More importantly, they work well for people who have a USPSA competition rig---but 1) don't want to switch out their DOH holster, and 2) realize that their competition mag pouches aren't legal in IDPA.
BUUUUT...Isn't IDPA about "Defensive Pistol"? Shouldn't you be shooting what you carry? I know, I know. It is a competition. Just pointing out the dichotomy. I don't have any "competition" gear for IDPA with the exception of my double mag pouch (I only CC with a single mag pouch). For holster I just use what I carry.
Which leads me into another beef I have. I carry appendix IWB, so why would that not be allowed in IDPA as long as it is "concealed"?
Fly
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Which leads me into another beef I have. I carry appendix IWB, so why would that not be allowed in IDPA as long as it is "concealed"?
Only if it matches THEIR concept of concealed. And, you know, "realistic."
(Posted by someone who uses their carry gun for IDPA, but can't use his actual carry rig, so instead uses a belt holster and shoot-me-first vest since if I have to buy more gear that I won't actually use for carry, I might as well use the equipment that'll give me the most advantage in the game. And yes, I'd rather be using my carry gear.)
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I carry appendix IWB, so why would that not be allowed in IDPA as long as it is "concealed"?
Because being the Safety Officers, Aldo or I may give you a hug and we don't want to get the "wrong impression" from you .....
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I'm going to have to pick up that Revolution holster. That's a good deal. I'm pretty sure my existing blade tech mag pouches are ok.
I have thought about using my carry holster just to get more practice with it, though.
For dry firing I really need to just pony up and buy John's LASR system one of these days.
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Because being the Safety Officers, Aldo or I may give you a hug and we don't want to get the "wrong impression" from you .....
Creepy.....
:D
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Because being the Safety Officers, Aldo or I may give you a hug and we don't want to get the "wrong impression" from you .....
I plan to be there.
Fly
I plan to will not be there. :laugh:
Fly
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I have thought about using my carry holster just to get more practice with it, though.
I'll note that in my case, while I'm mildly annoyed that I can't use my carry rig in IDPA it doesn't bother me THAT much (though I enjoy making fun of IDPA for that reason)---because I already practice draws a'plenty with my carry holster, and and it would only get used at most once per stage in IDPA. In other words, not much.
And since I don't consider ANY of the shooting sports "self-defense practice," it isn't a big deal to me. (I'll think about changing my mind when a viable stage procedure is "run away screaming for help" without requiring any sort of shooting.) Shooting sports, to me, involve tests of shooting skills---of which the draw is only one of many.
My concealed draw is ok at the moment. It is true that my draw is faster with my carry rig than it is with an OWB holster under a vest---but I can live with that. :)
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Reviewing the official IDPA rule book, I discovered that while handheld lights are allowed, they cannot be attached to the body with a lanyard, ring, etc. Another dumb rule IMHO.
Naturally gun mounted lights aren't allowed at all.
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Reviewing the official IDPA rule book, I discovered that while handheld lights are allowed, they cannot be attached to the body with a lanyard, ring, etc. Another dumb rule IMHO.
Naturally gun mounted lights aren't allowed at all.
Yep. All the advances in science and technology, plus the intelligent changes we've made to existing tools to make them more effective----you can't use them.
I mean, seriously----you CAN'T use a lanyard on a flashlight, given a scenario in which you KNOW you are going to 1) need a flashlight, and 2) have to shoot AND reload?
Yep, realistic. ???
...so as long as you don't expect "realistic self-defense training" and instead think "fun shooting skills game" then it'll be okay.
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...so as long as you don't expect "realistic self-defense training" and instead think "fun shooting skills game" then it'll be okay.
I tend to think along the lines of "equipment proving ground." I like "O" rings on my lights. If I should, for instance, start a stage with the light in my weak hand, the ring will be on my finger. But if the stage requires me to deftly pluck the light off a tabletop, then the ring will not be used.
More "equipment race" stuff I guess. Oh well.
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Just out of curiosity as well as from having designed CoFs that have required the use of a tactical light: ...I'll go first with my answers in (), be they in the minority or majority of others' responses...
1. Of folks who carry a tactical light daily (yes, I do), how many actually have a lanyard on it (no, I don't)?... and where do you normally carry it when NOT in a situation where you feel you need to have it ready in hand (for me, either shirt pocket, pants pocket meant for the light, or jacket pocket meant for the light)?
2. Of folks who carry a tactical light daily (yes, I do) and your situational awareness suddenly has you take out your tactical light to be in a ready position for either use as a light or even as a skull punch-out tool, do you have it in your support hand ready to do either of the above with or without a lanyard (me, without since I don't use a lanyard) or do you take the time (which I would find time-consuming to do) to put the lanyard on either my support hand or around my neck in a "sudden" situation?
3. Of folks who carry a tactical light daily (yes, I do), how many of you "practice" removing it and holding/using it during dry fire and/or range fire (woops, I don't as much as I should)?
I can't speak for why IDPA has the rule as it does regarding lanyards as well as starting a stage with it in your support hand, but I can take a stab at it: 1) in our CoFs in which I have designed them for the use of a tactical light (which we have done in the past last year, but, hint hint, we will be doing in the near future in this current season), the scenario of the CoF already has you in a sudden situational awareness, i.e., not one that you can see from a mile away (hyperbole here), which basically forces the shooter at the P1 position to be at the ready with a tactical light in the support hand (since that is the IDPA sport's rule) and a hair (timer buzz) away from taking action with your handgun in a critical incident. 2) perhaps a lanyard can serve as a possible means for the perp in a close-up FoF encounter to get into a tug-of-war with your lanyard to gain control of it.
Thanks for taking the time to read this, try to make sense of what I wrote, and to answer if you so choose to do. ;D
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While digesting my prior post that has some questions for y'all about tactical lights, here's a couple thoughts regarding cover garment and IWB holsters.
1. Cover garments don't have to be a vest, unless one so chooses to wear it at the match since they choose to wear it daily anyways and that's what they want to practice with. The IDPA rule only requires that it be concealing the holstered gun when you lift your arms straight to the sides up to shoulder height. I sometimes choose to wear the vest, but I generally am wearing a shirt that I wear most everyday. At one of the matches last year, I even chose to wear a clinic lab jacket since that is what I sometimes wear at my private practice office. I've even worn my winter jacket. Granted, a couple of those clothing items may add a slight bit of time to my draw, but my approach to why I participate in IDPA may be different than others....but that is a whole other discussion. :D
2. The IWB appendix carry not being allowed by IDPA is purely for safety reasons, although bullit and I are always "happy" to see participants at IDPA Nebraska matches ::). Hopefully, folks who do elect to carry as such are careful in their draw as well as reholster so as not to blow off their privates with a negligent discharge :o, but such situation would also quickly have adverse ramifications for the host range as well as for the continuance of the IDPA sport at the host range. :(
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Did you fellas complain this much back when you were playing Dungeons and Dragons? :) Geesh.
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My .02 - every shooting sport needs rules, and every shooting sport has some rules that someone is going to consider silly, whether that's USPSA, IDPA, CMP High Power, etc. The people writing the rule book are human, and they're trying to strike a balance between keeping the sport competitive, fun, and (most importantly) safe. None of the sports are ever going to find that perfect balance, but they almost always have a reason for the rule being there. Sometimes that rule may not make sense to some people, but IMO it's not something to get all that worked up about as long as the sport is competitive, fun, and safe.
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1. Cover garments don't have to be a vest, unless one so chooses to wear it at the match since they choose to wear it daily anyways and that's what they want to practice with. The IDPA rule only requires that it be concealing the holstered gun when you lift your arms straight to the sides up to shoulder height. I sometimes choose to wear the vest, but I generally am wearing a shirt that I wear most everyday. At one of the matches last year, I even chose to wear a clinic lab jacket since that is what I sometimes wear at my private practice office. I've even worn my winter jacket. Granted, a couple of those clothing items may add a slight bit of time to my draw, but my approach to why I participate in IDPA may be different than others....but that is a whole other discussion. :D
For me, the "vest" part is simply based on the fact that since I can't use my normal carry holster, I'm not going to pay a bunch of money for another quality CCW holster that I'll never use outside of IDPA (traditional IWB prints on me in a stupidly silly fashion, and IDPA requires the holster to be at the side of the body at minimum)---so I'm going to pull out a basic range holster that I already own, which happens to fit the IDPA criteria.
And because I'm using that basic range holster, I'm not going to simply wear a shirt over it, because it prints ridiculously. If I was wearing my carry holster, I'd simply wear what I normally wear every day. But since I'm not, to conceal this holster I have to wear a significantly more voluminous cover garment.
Given that, and since I'll be shooting IDPA in all sorts of weather, it is easiest to pull out a "shoot me first" vest, since it will work in all sorts of weather and clothing, and fulfills the IDPA cover requirement, and I don't have to buy any more gear. And since this is a game (to my way of thinking, and opinions vary), I might as well use equipment that optimizes my chances of winning.
Can't use actual carry gear + not buying any more equipment + increased chances of winning -- makes my choice pretty simple. :)
2. The IWB appendix carry not being allowed by IDPA is purely for safety reasons, although bullit and I are always "happy" to see participants at IDPA Nebraska matches ::). Hopefully, folks who do elect to carry as such are careful in their draw as well as reholster so as not to blow off their privates with a negligent discharge :o, but such situation would also quickly have adverse ramifications for the host range as well as for the continuance of the IDPA sport at the host range. :(
I'm thinking that given the large number of people who carry AIWB, and the fact that we don't hear about people shooting off parts of themselves, I'm thinking that potential safety issues are overblown. That isn't to say that I haven't seen plenty of people who are scary enough already with basic OWB hip holsters---merely that the people who carry AIWB don't seem to be shooting themselves, so perhaps the risk isn't any greater than the risk of people shooting themselves in the leg while drawing or holstering IWB.
However, I understand the thought process, and I understand why IDPA doesn't want to go there. (Amusingly enough, you can run your AIWB rig from concealment in USPSA if you want to! Matter of fact, I know someone who does precisely that, though he doesn't shoot around here.) I disagree with IDPA's opinion, but I understand why they think that way.
Regarding tac lights: Yes, I normally do have a lanyard on my tac light. At the moment I don't, however, because it finally broke last week when I was practicing with it. So at the moment, I'm lanyard-less. :)
Carry position: pants pocket (I'm normally wearing a version of cargo pants, and there is a front pocket perfect for it).
Lanyard use: Never would put it around my neck. (That wouldn't even occur to me.) Have put it around my wrist a couple of times, given situations in which I was going from a light situation to a dark one in which the "dark" area was large enough that I was going to be in it for awhile. (If the "dark" part isn't that big, I'm playing the odds that with 17+1 rounds to use before I need to reload, I can get back to the light before I need that extra hand back.)
Practice: Yes, I do. In both dryfire and live fire---which is why I ALSO know that my one-handed shooting using a light (especially in dim light situations) is both slower and less accurate than two-handed shooting using a weapon-mounted light, in particular the weapon-mounted light-laser combo I currently use. (I note that I don't have that on my carry gun, that is the home gun. And lights and/versus lasers is a completely 'nother topic.)
Regarding use of lanyards and such in IDPA: My point is that for a significant number of the situations I can think of in which I'd use a handheld light, I _would_ have already placed it in my hand, and thus would have put the lanyard on. If I'm taking a long walk to my car in a parking lot that is dimly light, I know this ahead of time.
Sure, if I'm suddenly surprised when the lights go off, I wouldn't have the lanyard on---but then again, I wouldn't have the light in my hand, either. And if I'm going to be attacked in 2 seconds, I'm going for my gun and moving fast, not worrying about the light.
But in cases where I had the light in my hand, I can't think of a whole lot of situations that are realistic for my lifestyle (as such, results may vary!) in which I wouldn't have had time to stick my hand through the lanyard first. Maybe I'm not thinking of the right type of situations...?
Regarding a tug-of-war with the light/lanyard: Most handheld lights aren't big. I have a difficult time thinking of anyone trying to take it out of my hand. And tac light lanyards don't have much extra cord, so it isn't like there is going to be a loop for them to grab. That being said, if they want to tie up one of their hands attempting to grab an object that is fixed to me, they are welcome to go ahead. :)
For me though, this is a purely academic argument---mostly based on the number of people who keep telling me that IDPA is "realistic self defense training." If you think of IDPA as a shooting sport (which I do), these issues aren't important. It is only if you think of IDPA as "realistic training for self-defense" that a number of these issues crop up.
Regarding O rings and such on handheld lights---you know, when I was at the Rogers Shooting School, he showed us the Rogers method, which is really sweet if you have the right kind of tac light and an o-ring attached to it in the right way. It is a great method that enables you to have a light and still shoot two-handed with almost the same level of speed and accuracy as normal shooting. It ALSO takes a very large amount of time and practice to make it work, especially under stress. Since I had never tried it before, I completely sucked at it. :)
...I was about to go on about WML and handhelds, then I realized that really was a very different conversation. So I'm going to start a thread about that in the discussion section elsewhere, so as not to derail this thread further. :)
Bullit: didn't EVERYONE argue when playing D&D?
I note that arguing is actually a good sign, really. It means that people are thinking about what is going on. When no one is arguing or discussing, either people aren't thinking, OR things are so bad that no one wants to talk about it. :)
And healthy discussion means that people often have to support their opinions with facts, which means that sometimes, people learn something. Or at least get exposed to ideas different than their own!
Granted, it is almost impossible to get a gamer to start thinking realistically.... ;D
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Sometimes that rule may not make sense to some people, but IMO it's not something to get all that worked up about as long as the sport is competitive*, fun, and safe.
*emphasis added
You hit the nail on the head. This is a competition. While it may try to re-enforce some good defensive pistol skills, it doesn't take 2 nano seconds before people are fully exploiting every rule loophole to WIN. I would guess, once they get used to the rules/procedures, a USPSA shooter would do quite well because they will be gaming each stage and picking apart how they can save two tenths of a second here and three tenths of a second there. It is the competitive nature in many of us. Others will be interested in shooting their daily carry gun and equipment to make sure it functions for them. As jthhapkido said, if you want real practice/training in self defense, take a class.
Bottom line...it is all good fun.
Fly
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Did you fellas complain this much back when you were playing Dungeons and Dragons? Geesh.
I didn't play D&D. I was out skydiving, drinking, and chasing their girlfriends around while they were in their parent's basement playing D&D. :laugh:
Fly
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I didn't play D&D. I was out skydiving, drinking, and chasing their girlfriends around while they were in their parent's basement playing D&D. :laugh:
Fly
D&D players had girlfriends for you to chase?
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D&D players had girlfriends for you to chase?
Ok...so I went for the chicks that were easy to impress. Less effort and less rejections.
Fly
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"O" ring aficionado here; placed over the support hand index finger. Invert the hand and it falls right off (the light, not my hand.) Someone grabs it and starts tugging on it, the "O" ring breaks, even before my old bones would. After using an "O" ring, I won't go back to lanyards.
I practice with the light, dryfire wise, but not nearly enough live fire. (Still too busy trying to learn how to make the gun go "Full Zeeb" while still hitting the target.) :)
My EDC light has nothing on it, save for the fragile pocket clip. My main light does obviously have the ring on it and that's the light that's with me when I'm legally able to carry other armament. When exiting to an after dark parking lot for example, the light is already in my support hand, with the ring in battle ready position. Unobtrusive and non-threatening. Just an old gray haired guy looking for his car, if someone should notice it. (which they don't)
IDPA rules allow the light to be exposed, so I'm going to have to work on this in addition to what I've been doing. (carrying in front pocket.)
I can see where the IDPA is coming from here. What constitutes a light retention device and what constitutes a shooting aid? I guess it's not a bad thing for me to learn alternative methods of handling the light and performing administrative tasks simultaneously. Just shove the light in the belt and go.
But it's so much easier to flop the light to the outboard side of my support hand, do what I need to do and flop it back into position. Again, I don't see this method as an aid to shooting. Just a slick way to retain a light.
But I do notice that IDPA rules allow the RO to fire up their light to help the shooter find his or her light should they drop it in the dark. I seriously doubt that kind of assistance will be available IRL. More a nod to safety and expediency I 'spose. Moral of the story: Don't drop it or carry two.
More complaints forthcoming as I think of them. :)
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"O" ring aficionado here; placed over the support hand index finger. Invert the hand and it falls right off. Someone grabs it and starts tugging on it, the "O" ring breaks, even before my old bones would. After using an "O" ring, I won't go back to lanyards.
I will assume the obligatory TR trademarked "O" ring kit.....
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I will assume the obligatory TR trademarked "O" ring kit.....
Um... actually all the parts came from Ace Hardware. (But, I do have a TR logo'ed Surefire G2 LED on my AR. Exceptionally tactical.) :)
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Well, looks like my company is coming on Sunday, which means I can go to the IDPA match. Yay!
Unfortunately that means I have to miss the USPSA match. Boo.
I just remembered I was given a vest years ago that I've never worn. Guess I should dig it out of the closet. It doesn't look like a shoot me first vest, though. It's a Columbia, so I guess it's more of a "Granola eating, non-gun owning yuppie" vest. The perfect disguise!
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Bkoenig....you only need the vest if you want to. Not a requirement. Gun just has to be covered
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Yeah, I know. I just figured I might as well use a vest since I have one.
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IWB back of hip strong side holster, would IDPA pass holy water on this setup?
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Glad to see some discussion....and with civility ;)
Recently joined the IDPA group on FB, and it is incredibly trash-mouthed, and amazingly dissing of IDPA, even though it is an IDPA group. Why are they even part of the group other than to do just what I've mentioned. Sheesh.... ???
As Admin of the IDPA Nebraska FB site, I wouldn't even give a warning to an individual for disrespectfully trashing and bashing another individual for expressing their thoughts. That is one call of blocking the person out from the site that I wouldn't lose any sleep over.
Again, glad that NFOA has respectful opines...even if there are differences of opines. 8)
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IWB back of hip strong side holster, would IDPA pass holy water on this setup?
The individual who came in 3rd at the last match wore an IWB holster on the back of hip strong side, and with an everyday type polo shirt (or something like it)...and no printing. That's his EDC, too.
Bottom line: yes, such setup has the blessing of IDPA and IDPA Nebraska.
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That's good to know. My carry holster is worn at about 3:30 - 4:00 so I wasn't sure if it was ok. Now to decide whether to use it or take the DOH attachment off my other one.
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Don't know if there's any rules agin' printing. I can't find any anyway. The gun just can't be readily visible. So I think if it's covered during normal movements, you're good to go.
I could be wrong, but I can't find language that states otherwise.
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Don't know if there's any rules agin' printing. I can't find any anyway. The gun just can't be readily visible. So I think if it's covered during normal movements, you're good to go.
I could be wrong, but I can't find language that states otherwise.
You aren't wrong. It says:
"8.9.1. Legal concealment garments hide the holster, firearm, ammunition carriers, and loading devices from view.
8.9.2. The concealment garment test is for the competitor to stand with their arms straight out to the side, parallel to the ground. If the standing SO cannot see the previously listed equipment from the front, sides, or rear, then the concealment garment is legal."
It doesn't say "if the standing SO cannot see any outline or bulge or evidence of printing" --- it says "cannot see".
So I COULD wear tent-clothes instead of a vest over my OWB belt holster. Or I could wear a tight-fitting top that completely prints, as long as it covers the gun.
However, I'm just not going to do either of those things. :) Like I said, since it can't resemble my EDC, might as well be comfortable in all weather and make it easiest to get to my gear. Vest for me.
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I am looking forward to warmer weather and the return of my tent clothes t-shirts complete with clever, witty sayings. I find dark colored/camo fleece vests make excellent cover garments, but they're simply too warm for summer wear.
I don't get too worked up 'bout the whole "printing" thing. Most folk are so absorbed in their own lives that a bulge at my waistline won't be noticed. Maybe I should be more mindful of it but so far, so good. I am careful though, not to bend over at the waist and if I have to reach high on a shelf at the Scheel's Discount Emporium for a jug of Bub's Catfish Elixir, I do so with my support hand. Of course, with winter time and heavy coats it isn't so important.
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So I COULD wear tent-clothes instead of a vest over my OWB belt holster.
I think I will just wear my usual Clint Eastwood poncho. Functional AND fashionable.
(http://johngushue.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451f25369e2010536b52801970b-800wi)
Fly
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I will be there. First time shooting IDPA, should be interesting... We'll see if I can keep my feet in place while reloading. ???
I'm a little sad that Safariland raised the price back up of the holster I use for USPSA and directed a bunch of friends to buy. It was sub $20 for awhile and is a nice holster for the price. Still not too bad at $39 (http://www.holsters.com/concealment/holsters/model5198.asp (http://www.holsters.com/concealment/holsters/model5198.asp)).
I will probably end up using a Safariland ALS holster I have lying around though, since I don't want to undo the low-ride attachment I have on that holster for USPSA.
Is it legal for me to remove the active retention from a holster? I get about the same draw times either way, just curious.
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Is it legal for me to remove the active retention from a holster? I get about the same draw times either way, just curious.
8.5.1.13. All retention devices on the holster must be used.
8.5.1.14. Retention devices may be permanently removed or permanently disabled, but not temporarily disabled for a match.
:)
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I will be there. First time shooting IDPA, should be interesting... We'll see if I can keep my feet in place while reloading. ???
I can't. :) I wanna move while drawing too but haven't done that yet.
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I can't. :) I wanna move while drawing too but haven't done that yet.
As long as this time, you reload from your BELT instead of taking the half-empty magazine from your vest pocket, I'm thinking everything else work out. :)
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As long as this time, you reload from your BELT instead of taking the half-empty magazine from your vest pocket, I'm thinking everything else work out. :)
Task overload. :)
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Shot the match this morning. Good times and good people, despite the fact that a lot of them were IDPA shooters. :laugh: KIDDING
It is always good to go shoot under a little pressure. If you haven't done any action shooting (IDPA or USPSA), you SHOULD. You may think standing stationary and shooting is all you need to be proficient with a handgun, but add movement (none today, but there will be!), shooting strong or weak hand only, and the (self imposed) pressure of being on the clock will make you realize how much work your pistol skills require. Now I am NOT saying these matches will make you an operator, but you will learn a LOT about yourself, your equipment and how well the two work together.
One shooter told me today that they have never shot strong or weak hand only, which was part of one stage today. He learned a whole lot about what he needs to work on. Not busting his chops, because these matches are always revealing my deficiencies to me.
Ron and Cliff did a great job of making sure the match was safe and fun. I will definitely be back.
ARE THE SCORES POSTED YET?! ;D
Fly
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I had an altogether miserable showing.
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I had an altogether miserable showing.
You weren't the only one! (Wasn't your problem the fact that you were shooting a CZ, though? ;D )
I had great stage times----too bad my extremely poor accuracy today just about doubled my time on each stage. :/
Ron managed to design stages that pretty much perfectly required all the skills I'm weakest at, and allowed none of the match skills I'm best at.
[sigh]
But hey, as long as on the video I don't tell people what the HITS were like, it should make me look REALLY GOOD!
Ah well, tomorrow is USPSA, so I'll have to a chance to either make up for it, or, you know, keep the trend going. Hopefully it'll be the former. I'm thinking that perhaps "having trigger control" might make a difference.
Hey Ron, are the scores up yet? :P
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Yeahhhh I needed to exercise a lot more trigger control myself. I had far too many shots on the perforation that barely counted... My excuse was I'm using a gun with a different trigger spring and sights than I'm used to (THAT TOTALLY WAS ALL OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT?).
I think, overall, I did pretty okay. Wish I didn't get 5.5 seconds of time added on the match due to penalties though (down 1 on "free style" target, down 5 on the "strong hand only" target, down 5 on a missed headshot on the 2nd stage)...
I have a sneaking suspicion that Alex G. won the match, at least in SSP division... Although I didn't see Sean M. or Tom E. shoot before I left... They could also have pulled out some very nice scores too as Sean tends to be very accurate and Tom tends to be blazing fast.
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Yeahhhh I needed to exercise a lot more trigger control myself. I had far too many shots on the perforation that barely counted... My excuse was I'm using a gun with a different trigger spring and sights than I'm used to (THAT TOTALLY WAS ALL OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT?).
Right, right, because using your actual carry gun should be an excuse for poor shooting.
:P
I think, overall, I did pretty okay. Wish I didn't get 5.5 seconds of time added on the match due to penalties though (down 1 on "free style" target, down 5 on the "strong hand only" target, down 5 on a missed headshot on the 2nd stage)...
Humph. I had considerably more than that. And the non-threat target hit REALLY topped it all off.
Dang it, those hostages should know to DUCK by now!
I have a sneaking suspicion that Alex G. won the match, at least in SSP division... Although I didn't see Sean M. or Tom E. shoot before I left... They could also have pulled out some very nice scores too as Sean tends to be very accurate and Tom tends to be blazing fast.
Tom and Sean both had issues with the "all headshots" stage. From generally watching, I'm pretty sure that Alex took the match. For which we'll "congratulate" him tomorrow with a hammer, before the USPSA match.
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Thanks for coming out guys. It is fun for us putting it on seeing the numbers increase each time. I learned a lot by watching many of you "gamers" (if you want to use that tacky word i.e. USPSA folks). :D Today I threw caution to the wind and shot purely for time. My problem was shooting a Gold Cup I just had rebuilt at C&S and not shooting it prior to the match (one of my pet peeves I see others do). Alas, I got what I kind of expected. I am pretty sure Lorimor owned me today in the 1911 side match even with his smoking, choking reloads. The after action conversation at lunch was interesting for me ...... putting all the nuts and bolts together if one wants to really be competitive. In conclusion, pretty sure Alex won it and jthapkido doesn't have a Rob Pincus poster secretly hanging in his closet.
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Thanks for coming out guys. It is fun for us putting it on seeing the numbers increase each time. I learned a lot by watching many of you "gamers" (if you want to use that tacky word i.e. USPSA folks). :D Today I threw caution to the wind and shot purely for time. My problem was shooting a Gold Cup I just had rebuilt at C&S and not shooting it prior to the match (one of my pet peeves I see others do). Alas, I got what I kind of expected. I am pretty sure Lorimor owned me today in the 1911 side match even with his smoking, choking reloads. The after action conversation at lunch was interesting for me ...... putting all the nuts and bolts together if one wants to really be competitive. In conclusion, pretty sure Alex won it and jthapkido doesn't have a Rob Pincus poster secretly hanging in his closet.
Nice meeting you (I was the one sitting to Ron's left at brunch) and thanks for the work you do.
Now...are the scores posted yet? ;D
Fly
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Now...are the scores posted yet?
Fly
Take it up with management....I'm just a grunt and can't add....
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Thanks for coming out guys. It is fun for us putting it on seeing the numbers increase each time. I learned a lot by watching many of you "gamers" (if you want to use that tacky word i.e. USPSA folks). :D Today I threw caution to the wind and shot purely for time. My problem was shooting a Gold Cup I just had rebuilt at C&S and not shooting it prior to the match (one of my pet peeves I see others do). Alas, I got what I kind of expected. I am pretty sure Lorimor owned me today in the 1911 side match even with his smoking, choking reloads. The after action conversation at lunch was interesting for me ...... putting all the nuts and bolts together if one wants to really be competitive. In conclusion, pretty sure Alex won it and jthapkido doesn't have a Rob Pincus poster secretly hanging in his closet.
Choking, smoking reloads? I'll have you know I was running some of my finely crafted EPA approved plated bullet specials today. No cast bullet loads today as I thought we might be shooting in subdued lighting.
Also, it was good to see my stumblebum reloading help managed to turn out a quality product for a change. That poor guy isn't employable elsewhere so I keep him on out of pity.
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Take it up with management....I'm just a grunt and can't add....
Come on! Don't be self deprecating. You were a grunt with a timer.
Fly
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This match must have ran extra long, because no one showed up to the monthly get together in Gretna that we moved to a brunch to accommodate the IDPA shooters......
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This match must have ran extra long, because no one showed up to the monthly get together in Gretna that we moved to a brunch to accommodate the IDPA shooters......
Yes it did. GSD hung around as long as he could and left well before the match every ended.
Fly
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You weren't the only one! (Wasn't your problem the fact that you were shooting a CZ, though? ;D )
:laugh:
At first I chalked up my gun not going bang to harder than normal primers + a lightened mainspring on my competition gun, but when I switched out to my carry gun that's all factory and had the same result I was really scratching my head. What's weird is I know I've used those same primers before in my carry gun with no problems, so now I'm wondering if I somehow had a batch of bad ones mixed in. And of course the equipment problems got into my head so even when it worked I didn't shoot worth a darn.
Oh well, it was still fun. There's always next time.
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:laugh:
At first I chalked up my gun not going bang to harder than normal primers + a lightened mainspring on my competition gun, but when I switched out to my carry gun that's all factory and had the same result I was really scratching my head. What's weird is I know I've used those same primers before in my carry gun with no problems, so now I'm wondering if I somehow had a batch of bad ones mixed in. And of course the equipment problems got into my head so even when it worked I didn't shoot worth a darn.
Oh well, it was still fun. There's always next time.
Primers fully seated?
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Primers fully seated?
Yep.
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Today was only my 2nd IDPA match, and I'm still happy as long as I don't have ND or accidently shoot myself :o. OK I've got slightly higher goals, but not much. It was a fun time.
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Scores up on practiscore. That Chief Safety Officer really sucked today didn't he?
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Hmmm...should we count the number of USPSA "gamers" that are in the top 10, or should we just not pick at that scab? ;)
Fly
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Alex rocked it today.
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Alex rocked it today.
Yeah I know. What an Alpha Hotel right?!
Fly
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Today was only my 2nd IDPA match, and I'm still happy as long as I don't have ND or accidently shoot myself :o. OK I've got slightly higher goals, but not much. It was a fun time.
Good deal! Always happy to see people who are shooters, not just gun owners.
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Good deal! Always happy to see people who are shooters, not just gun owners.
Agreed. Keep it up! It doesn't matter how well you do, there is always that elusive perfection to shoot for. Welcome to action pistol.
Fly
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Ron and Cliff did a great job of making sure the match was safe and fun. I will definitely be back.
Thanks, Fly. It's really the crowd that makes or breaks it, and it was a super group today...38 shooters!! Glad to have seen everyone there today....and glad that you'll be back!! :)
Ron managed to design stages that pretty much perfectly required all the skills I'm weakest at, and allowed none of the match skills I'm best at.
[sigh]
Woops!!!!! ;)
Hey Ron, are the scores up yet? :P
Yes, results are posted on Practiscore under "IDPA Nebraska Indoor Match 02/01/14": https://www.practiscore.com/match-results/uuid?uuid=B5337411-C218-4C28-B3B3-BB5EAC7AF248 (https://www.practiscore.com/match-results/uuid?uuid=B5337411-C218-4C28-B3B3-BB5EAC7AF248) 8)
Thanks to everybody who helped out with pasting targets, loading magazines for others, picking up brass for folks, etc....I had a LOT of fun with running the target switch area because I would keep my right ear muff volume dial low but the left one up so that I could hear all the USPSA guys talking behind the line...what a hoot you guys are in jiving each other, etc. ;D
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Today was a fun match. I know running any kind of match involves a ton of work, so I'm really glad you guys have brought this to the Lincoln area. Thanks for all your hard work.
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All in all, I think now it would have been better to have hit some of those heads on stage #2. I wish I could figure this aiming thing out. :)
Good crowd as usual. Thanks for the hard work guys.
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because I would keep my right ear muff volume dial low but the left one up so that I could hear all the USPSA guys talking behind the line...what a hoot you guys are in jiving each other, etc. ;D
And they don't use big words, so they're easy to keep up with.
Snicker.
:)
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And they don't use big words, so they're easy to keep up with.
Snicker.
Ok, you just bought yourself some "background commentary" at the next match with that remark!
[sigh]
Off to dryfire so perhaps I won't miss so much next time....
...of course, I'll see you guys at the USPSA match today, right? :)
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Ok, you just bought yourself some "background commentary" at the next match with that remark!
[sigh]
Off to dryfire so perhaps I won't miss so much next time....
...of course, I'll see you guys at the USPSA match today, right? :)
I figured that was already happening.
"What's that guy doing here?" "What do you mean? He HIT something today?" "My Grandma shoots faster."
All I have to really do is fire some of my famous cast lead reloads and that gets folks all kinds of excited. :)
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My problem was shooting a Gold Cup I just had rebuilt at C&S and not shooting it prior to the match (one of my pet peeves I see others do). Alas, I got what I kind of expected. I am pretty sure Lorimor owned me today in the 1911 side match even with his smoking, choking reloads.
Usually it's the other way around. Too bad it had to happen yesterday, when it REALLY counted. You may not have been informed ahead of time but yesterday was the CDP World Championship. Yep, for all the marbles. Looks like the beautiful, ornate and highly coveted traveling SwabJockey Trophy resides with me for yet another year.
I almost feel bad now, having erased much of the C&S magic with my cordless Dremel on your Colt.
But as they say, "All's fair in love and CDP."
:)
Better luck next year!