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General Categories => Laws and Legislation => Topic started by: lefty on August 31, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
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http://www.ago.ne.gov/media/Recognition_of_State_Concealed_Handgun_Permits.pdf
Here's what we been waiting for.................
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I'm kind of confused, Texas for example recognizes our permits, but looking at the letter, it looks like they aren't... I would like to see what states we formally have agreements with posted...
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I'm kind of confused, Texas for example recognizes our permits, but looking at the letter, it looks like they aren't... I would like to see what states we formally have agreements with posted...
From what I understand from the letter, Nebraska will recognize a Texas resident's permit as long as the permit holder is 21 years of age or older. I think you can get a ccw permit in Texas if you are under 21, that is not legal here in Nebraska.
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That is a pretty good list, now there is a lot of states that will be able to recognize the Nebraska permit since we recognize theirs.
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I'm kind of confused, Texas for example recognizes our permits, but looking at the letter, it looks like they aren't... I would like to see what states we formally have agreements with posted...
From what I understand from the letter, Nebraska will recognize a Texas resident's permit as long as the permit holder is 21 years of age or older. I think you can get a ccw permit in Texas if you are under 21, that is not legal here in Nebraska.
That is exactly right. Iowa for example will issue a permit to persons 19 or older if they are security guards or have to carry for their employment.
Texas is the same. And that is why Brunning says that "only to the extent that the person is 21 or older", because those states have conditions where someone under 21 can get a permit.
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That is a pretty good list, now there is a lot of states that will be able to recognize the Nebraska permit since we recognize theirs.
Some states by default do now. Colorado be default accepts any states permit if that state recognizes theirs. Since Brunning explicitly names the states, you can now carry in Colorado. There are other states that have the same legal acceptance but I am not 100% sure of what those states are so I will not put them in here.
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I've spent some time looking and unfortunately don't have anymore time to research this... so I am going to throw it out to the rest of you.
So now (after Colorado and whatever others honor our permit) how many states does the UT and NE, Or the FL and NE or the combination of the three allow for carry in?
Just a side rant "Damn all these laws are so damn confusing. I can work on new cars even with all the damn electronics, I can build an AR, I can read blue prints for just about anything you throw at me, I can build and fix computers, but I just can't keep all the legal B$ straight." Sorry I am just venting that basically I'm not an idiot but when reading the laws sure can feel like one.
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I teach the Utah class. There is now little reason to add Utah...unless....you need coverage in some other State that only Utah (or Florida etc) cover. My guess is that more States will honor NE than honor Utah.....at least eventually.
But...if you need a particular State...then a second permit is still a good idea.
I wonder if this news will start a little uptick in NE applications....maybe it is time to schedule a class :)
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How's this for a twist on the subject...
What if, when my Nebraska CHP expires, I don't renew it. I then just renew(for only $10) my Utah permit.
Could I then carry under "affirmative defense" and/or the Utah permit?
How do you like that "gray area"?
World/Heralds story on the new list: http://www.omaha.com/article/20090901/NEWS01/709019938/0/FRONTPAGE (http://www.omaha.com/article/20090901/NEWS01/709019938/0/FRONTPAGE)
(http://www.omaha.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=OW&Date=20090901&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=709019938&Ref=AR&maxw=600&maxh=400)
LINCOLN ? Folks from Iowa, Kansas, Colorado and at least 31 other states are welcome to bring their concealed handguns into the Cornhusker State. But those from South Dakota and 11 other states are not.
Vermont, well, they await word from the Nebraska Attorney General's Office. They were omitted from the letter the prosecutor's office issued Monday and will be discussed today.
The Attorney General's Office was required by a new state law to determine which states have comparable concealed handgun permit laws to Nebraska's, and thus whose residents could legally carry concealed handguns in Nebraska, as well as their home state.
The review found that 34 states have standards equal to or greater than Nebraska's.
More at the link
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If my memory is correct, Nebraska only recognizes permits from other states for people who are citizens of the other state similar to Colorado ect. So Nebraskan's need to have the Nebraska permit.
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The good news is the World Hearald even recognizes that this means Nebraskans will soon have the ability to carry in a lot of other states. Unfortunatly they go to the NRA for a quote rather than the NFOA.
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A few points...
1) PLEASE remember Jon Bruning at election time.
2) Now the NRA speaks out????? (and yes I am an Endowment Member)
3) I would probably wait to verify CO's position prior to traveling there.
4) PLEASE remember Jon Bruning at election time (yes, I said it again.)
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I have a bad feeling that some of the states that are included in the list will be contested by those that oppose this(CHP's, reciprocity, etc.).
I will not list the reasons why here on the forum at this time. I'm waiting to see what happens in the next week or so, at this point.
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Who has the authority to contest it though? the law specifically states that the AG office gets to decide. The most people could do is
a) vote bruning out of office for someone who will change it for the worse
b) introduce legislature next year to reword it and change the decision to someone besides the AG
I am not saying we won't hear complaints in the papers or wherever, but I don't think there's much they could actually "do" at this point in time anyway.
I also don't think this is an issue that most of your average joe citizen cares about at all. (who can or can't carry in NE)
As always these are just my thoughts/opinions take with 2 grains of salt and call in the morning.
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I agree with you that most could care less about it, but there are a few very vocal members(and former members) of the Unicam that may try to raise some questions about the "equal-ness" of a few of these state's standards.
There were quite a few cities that stated they would NOT abide by the A.G.'s ruling on preemption earlier this year.
I'm just saying that I think someone will try to raise a stink about it.
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Yeah, I'd actually agree with you there. Luckily I think the chance of someone getting any traction on it is slim.
I hope someone can get us a list of states where our permit is now valid in, as in states that have reciprocal agreements.
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Colorado! YIPPPEEEEEEE! I'm goin' skiing again!
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Nice! Way to go Nebraskans, another victory for individual rights. So as a Colorado boy, I can now carry when I come to see my fianc? in Omaha. I like that. ;D
To verify some people's CO question: Pursuant to Colorado law (CRS 18-12-213), the State of Colorado will recognize a valid permit issued in another state IF the permit was issued to a resident of the state issuing the permit, and the permittee is 21 yrs of age or older, AND the other state recognizes Colorado permits as valid in their state (http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/reciprocity.asp). So yes, you can now carry here with your NE permit if you also have an NE ID. However until your AG's letter filters down to our local LEO patrols, you may want to carry a copy of that letter with you, because when you're in the field the law is often whatever the LEO believes the law to be. One final point, just take note of our areas of prohibited carry (http://www.rmgo.org/faq/#Permit%20laws).
Since I'm going to be joining your great state in a few months, I've been trying to get up to speed on the NE firearms laws - NFOA is an excellent source and seems like a great grassroots group similar to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (http://www.rmgo.org) out here. I do, however, have a question. I've been trying to get the handgun registration law within the Peoples' Republic of Omaha straight in my head. I apologize if this has been covered in other posts (likely to great extent) but does the passage of LB430 also remove the home-rule requirement for those who aren't residents of Omaha to register handguns with the Omaha PD? And don't worry, we won't be living in Occupied Territory when I move there - we're looking more toward Bellevue or Papillion... Thanks in advance guys!
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/ (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) is a great source for CC information. It looks like it was updated on August 31, 2009, but it does not appear to include the latest Nebraska changes. I will email them to get it updated.
Edit: Read a little more on the website and they said it IS updated per NE's changes. I tried the "Create License Map" and it appears to work.
Edit 2: I selected Nebraska on the "Create License Map" page and CO was not listed as a state which recognizes the NE permit.
Fly
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zombiehunter, LB 430 restricted cities from placing any firearms lws on valid CCW holders. So if you are not living in the city you should not need register it. But your comment on information filtering down to the LEO applies.
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Thanks AAllen. I may need to print out that section of LB430 and just stick it in my back pocket while I'm there.
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http://www.handgunlaw.us/ (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) is a great source for CC information. It looks like it was updated on August 31, 2009, but it does not appear to include the latest Nebraska changes. I will email them to get it updated.
Edit: Read a little more on the website and they said it IS updated per NE's changes. I tried the "Create License Map" and it appears to work.
Edit 2: I selected Nebraska on the "Create License Map" page and CO was not listed as a state which recognizes the NE permit.
Fly
Nebraska's info is updated, but not Colorado's. Be patient. Colorado hasn't officially update their site so handgunlaw really can't update there info yet.
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Since I'm going to be joining your great state in a few months, I've been trying to get up to speed on the NE firearms laws -
zombiehunter
When you due make your residence in NE that will make a temporary problem for you as you must have 6 months residency before you may apply for the NE CCP. Thus your Colorado permit will be void as I understand the reading of the current law until you have meet the NE requirements for the NE CCP.
There may be some creative ways around this, of course I am not advocating anything illegal.
Once you have gotten your NE Drivers License and or state ID card with your new address you are technically a NE residence.
Please anyone correct me if this is incorrect.
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When I put up the new NFOA alert last night, I thought that Nebraska required a permit from the reciprocal states to be a resident permit, but that is wrong.
Nebraska will accept valid non-resident permits issued by the states that the AG has approved
http://www.nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=s6924048000
69-2448 License or permit issued by other state or District of Columbia; how treated. A valid license or permit to carry a concealed handgun issued by any other state or the District of Columbia shall be recognized as valid in this state under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act if (1) the holder of the license or permit is not a resident of Nebraska and (2) the Attorney General has determined that the standards for issuance of such license or permit by such state or the District of Columbia are equal to or greater than the standards imposed by the act. The Attorney General shall maintain and publish a list of such states and the District of Columbia which he or she has determined have standards equal to or greater than the standards imposed by the act.
Source
1. Laws 2009, LB430, ? 13.
Effective Date: August 30, 2009
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Excellent! Thanks Dan.
Well gentlemen, the more I learn about your state, the more I'm looking forward to becoming a Nebraska citizen...
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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but...... have seen the tax rates?
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Don't scare him too bad right off the bat.
Oh zombiehunter start practising the phrase GO BIG RED
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/huskergun/huskers.jpg)
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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but...... have seen the tax rates?
Yeah, property taxes are a bit ridiculous. What could it all go toward? I pulled county records on half a dozen properties we're interested in and looking at all of the components of your mill levies is nuts. There needs to be some taxpayer education on the proper roll of local government. Here's a levy example:
Fund Description Levy
1 COUNTY LEVY 0.296264
127 PAPILLION SCHOOL 1.057455
128 PAPILLION SPEC SCH 0.015858
180 SCHL DIST 27 BOND 1 0.013472
183 SCHL DIST 27 BOND 2 0.018719
185 SCHL DIST 27 BOND 3 0.094597
186 SCHL DIST 27 BOND 4 0.027892
305 PAPILLION RURAL FIRE 0.085893
313 PAPILLION FIRE BOND 0.016
501 PAPIO NATURAL RESRCE 0.03375
701 MUD 0
801 METRO COMMUNITY COLL 0.0674
901 AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY 0.001092
1003 ED SERVICE UNIT 3 0.01624
2180 SID 180 0.4
4001 COMMUNICATIONS BOND 0.003636
23180 SID 180 BOND 0.35
Total Levy 2008 2.498268
An effing 2.5% Property Tax?!?! Per year??? What the hell is a SID 180 at 0.4% lefy rate anyway? I'm no government bureaucrat, but I reckon that if the County and City ledgers were put online where the taxpayers could monitor frivolous spending from bonded initiatives, a number of initiatives would be rejected by taxpayers and there wouldn't be such high property taxes. Somehow, out here in Colorado, we get by just fine with about a 0.5% Property Tax. Though each year during the special elections some special interest group is whining that we need another 0.02% levy... you know, for the children. Add up enough of those subsidy handouts and before you know it, you're paying $6K/year on a $250K house. Damn Looters.
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Don't scare him too bad right off the bat.
Oh zombiehunter start practising the phrase GO BIG RED
Do I have to cheer for the Huskers or is it sufficient that I don't root for whoever they're playing? >:D
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AAllen said: "The good news is the World Hearald even recognizes that this means Nebraskans will soon have the ability to carry in a lot of other states. Unfortunatly they go to the NRA for a quote rather than the NFOA."
This may be a topic for a new thread...
If we want the press to seek us out for comment, we need to enable them to do so. Who is our official spokesperson? What is his/her contact information? I don't think that NFOA is visible enough to be on the press's radar. If we truly want to adopt this kind of focus, we need to issue press releases on topics that we have a position on and we need to demonstrate our credibility to the public.
Interested in what others think...
Dan - if you think this should be a new thread, please feel free to move the post....
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Yes, new topic. I think it is time we started releasing information to the press. We are a show away from the 2000 members mark, and if I am not mistaken, the largest gun rights group made up entirely of Nebraskans.
There are probably more NRA members in Nebraska than NFOA members, but give me a little more time and we will change that. It is time we take center stage, no longer a side show. Of course, it is going to take someone to write press releases, and they would need to be approved by a consensus of the board, and someone would have to donate their time to get it done.
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ACCEPTED PERMITS
ALASKA
ARIZONA
ARKANSAS
CALIFORNIA OVER 21 ONLY
COLORADO
CONNECTICUT
FLORIDA
IDAHO
IOWA OVER 21 ONLY
HAWAII
KANSAS
KENTUCKY
LOUISIANA
MAINE OVER 21 ONLY
MICHIGAN
MINNESOTA
MISSOURI
MONTANA OVER 21 ONLY
NEVADA
NEW JERSEY
NEW MEXICO
NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH DAKOTA (CLASS 1)
NORTH DAKOTA (CLASS 2) OVER 21 ONLY
OHIO
OKLAHOMA
OREGON
RHODE ISLAND
SOUTH CAROLINA
TENNESSEE
TEXAS OVER 21 ONLY
UTAH
VIRGINIA
WEST VIRGINIA
WYOMING
WASHINGTON D.C.
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Roper and LitlRat you guys are right on the mark as far as I'm concerned. If we want that kind on attention we have to go and let them know we are here.
Who ever does this needs to be a good speaker and a good comunicator.
And Zombiehunter..... You must become a Husker fan. You'll notice it is on our Conceal carry permit when you get yours. You could root against the Buffalos and that might be ok. I'll have to check the rule book.
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AAllen said: "The good news is the World Hearald even recognizes that this means Nebraskans will soon have the ability to carry in a lot of other states. Unfortunatly they go to the NRA for a quote rather than the NFOA."
This may be a topic for a new thread...
If we want the press to seek us out for comment, we need to enable them to do so. Who is our official spokesperson? What is his/her contact information? I don't think that NFOA is visible enough to be on the press's radar. If we truly want to adopt this kind of focus, we need to issue press releases on topics that we have a position on and we need to demonstrate our credibility to the public.
Interested in what others think...
Chris Z is the president and the Official spokesperson. His contact info is posted on the NFOA website.
Can anyone name the NRA spokesperson for Nebraska? I can't... It is also probably listed somewhere
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There may be too many topics in this thread, and the CU Buffaloes are
the real reason space is a vacuum not my favorite team >:D
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By rooting for anyone but NE you may be putting yourself at risk for being disavowed around these parts. Just buy yourself a husker t-shirt and don't cheer too loudly for anyone else you'll be fine. Cheer too loud and you may risk the disavowing. >:D
And don't get me started on the property tax thing. Last year we won one vote to defeat a tax levy increase of (don't quote me on this) 60 cents. shortly thereafter we had another vote for a raise of 55 cents. which passed. I know the 55 to be accurate not the first one it may have been a touch higher. However. It was later found out that some people (who were no longer residents of the area) who had not registered to vote at their new places came back just to vote in this one special election. It was a major point of disrest amoung members of the community. and I believe that someone told me we were one of the higher rates in the state.
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But looking at handgunlaw, what states can we now carry in that we couldn't carry before...
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So far I am not aware of any other states that NEBRASKA residents can now carry in that we couldn't before..... But more should come in the near future.
This helped OTHER STATES residents, so they are now able to carry here.
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By rooting for anyone but NE you may be putting yourself at risk for being disavowed around these parts. Just buy yourself a husker t-shirt and don't cheer too loudly for anyone else you'll be fine. Cheer too loud and you may risk the disavowing. >:D
I'm not sure why but this made me laugh because if any of you guys are gambling men... I have a weakness for Craps and I always play "the dark side." Basically, when everyone else is losing, you're making money so you have to kinda cover your mouth and keep your evil bastard grin to yourself and not cheer too loud or you'll get some pretty angry people in your face. :)
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Copy of this might help until they get their list updated.
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18-12-213
Source: Colorado Statutes : Colorado Revised Statutes : TITLE 18 CRIMINAL CODE : ARTICLE 12 OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS : PART 2 PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS : 18-12-213. Reciprocity.
18-12-213. Reciprocity.
(1) A permit to carry a concealed handgun or a concealed weapon that is issued by a state that recognizes the validity of permits issued pursuant to this part 2 shall be valid in this state in all respects as a permit issued pursuant to this part 2 if the permit is issued to a person who is:
(a) Twenty-one years of age or older; and
(b) (I) A resident of the state that issued the permit, as demonstrated by the address stated on a valid picture identification that is issued by the state that issued the permit and is carried by the permit holder; or
(II) A resident of Colorado for no more than ninety days, as determined by the date of issuance on a valid picture identification issued by Colorado and carried by the permit holder.
(2) For purposes of this section, a "valid picture identification" means a driver's license or a state identification issued in lieu of a driver's license.
History
Source: L. 2003: Entire part added, p. 646, ? 1, effective May 17. L. 2007: Entire section amended, p. 956, ? 1, effective May 17.
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So far I am not aware of any other states that NEBRASKA residents can now carry in that we couldn't before..... But more should come in the near future.
This helped OTHER STATES residents, so they are now able to carry here.
That would be Colorado, Chris.
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So far I am not aware of any other states that NEBRASKA residents can now carry in that we couldn't before..... But more should come in the near future.
This helped OTHER STATES residents, so they are now able to carry here.
That would be Colorado, Chris.
While we might be within what the law says....... I personally wouldn't do it until their list is updated to reflect Nebraska
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The only place I'm really worried about is Metro Denver- they have been known to confiscate Elk hunters' rifles just passing through..... totally illegal. Didn't stop them.
I'll just keep driving through and get gas and such in Fort Morgan or Castle Rock......
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The only place I'm really worried about is Metro Denver.
Stay out of Denver County. Seriously, it's considered occupied territory. If you have to pass through make sure you've got a hammer and sickle sticker back window. Or maybe just wear a red shirt to show your commie party affiliation. Hey, wait a sec... aren't Husker shirts RED??? >:D
[ducking!]
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ACCEPTED PERMITS
ALASKA
ARIZONA
ARKANSAS
CALIFORNIA OVER 21 ONLY
COLORADO
CONNECTICUT
FLORIDA
IDAHO
IOWA OVER 21 ONLY
HAWAII
KANSAS
KENTUCKY
LOUISIANA
MAINE OVER 21 ONLY
MICHIGAN
MINNESOTA
MISSOURI
MONTANA OVER 21 ONLY
NEVADA
NEW JERSEY
NEW MEXICO
NORTH CAROLINA
NORTH DAKOTA (CLASS 1)
NORTH DAKOTA (CLASS 2) OVER 21 ONLY
OHIO
OKLAHOMA
OREGON
RHODE ISLAND
SOUTH CAROLINA
TENNESSEE
TEXAS OVER 21 ONLY
UTAH
WEST VIRGINIA
WYOMING
WASHINGTON D.C.
Excuse me but is Virginia missing from your list ? ? ?
Concerned since my CCP is from Virginia
Thanks
BB
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Virginia is on the list here: http://www.ago.ne.gov/media/Recognition_of_State_Concealed_Handgun_Permits.pdf (http://www.ago.ne.gov/media/Recognition_of_State_Concealed_Handgun_Permits.pdf)
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My mistake Bay Bob...sorry. Virginia is on the accepted list.
I fixed it now.
Any others I missed?