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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: grumpy old man on October 11, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
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I would like to know what kind of weapon is in the photo. In the near future I am going to be looking for a semi auto military style weapon. Not interested in an AR-15 as I am looking for something that the barrel is a little shorter and could be used when the SHTF. something that could reach out and touch its target at 200 yds but be nimble enough to carry without a four foot long rifle strapped to me. would eventually put a good laser optic on it with a fore-grip. Any ideas. I know a lot about pistols but I haven't been around military style rifles even during my time in the military as I was in the M60A3 combat tanks.
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That's an SBR. (Short barreled rifle.) looks like a 7 inch barrel.
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That's an SBR. (Short barreled rifle.) looks like a 7 inch barrel.
Thanks but what is the make and model? I should have put that in there. My bad. thanks for that info though. its more than I knew before!
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That is an AR-15 with a short barrel. That's the great thing about AR-15s, you can mix and match a lot of different parts to make it what you want. Keep in mind short barrels such as this will require a $200 tax, paperwork, background check, and a wait while everything is processed, etc. In regards to what you are looking for, specifically a rifle that can reach out to 200 yards, well you may be looking at the wrong barrel length in the photo. Even a 16" or longer AR doesn't do that great out to 200 yards if you are talking shooting through body armor.
An AR-10 (.308) or AR-15 in .300AAC might be more capable out to 200 yards.
Fly
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Thanks but what is the make and model? I should have put that in there. My bad. thanks for that info though. its more than I knew before!
I can't quite make out the brand on the lower, but it looks to me like this is a combination of several manufacturer's parts. It really doesn't matter what the brand is, you can probably find all the parts and put it together and/or have someone help you put it together. It is fun, a learning experience, and rewarding to build one.
Fly
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That is an AR-15 with a short barrel. That's the great thing about AR-15s, you can mix and match a lot of different parts to make it what you want. Keep in mind short barrels such as this will require a $200 tax, paperwork, background check, and a wait while everything is processed, etc. In regards to what you are looking for, specifically a rifle that can reach out to 200 yards, well you may be looking at the wrong barrel length in the photo. Even a 16" or longer AR doesn't do that great out to 200 yards if you are talking shooting through body armor.
An AR-10 (.308) or AR-15 in .300AAC might be more capable out to 200 yards.
Fly
thanks, you can tell I dont know much about these weapons. Ok I will have to change my style of thinking. Any ideas on a weapon that would be good when the SHTF? can you find one that shoots 7.62 nato round? what round would be best? any websites that would help me?
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I can't quite make out the brand on the lower, but it looks to me like this is a combination of several manufacturer's parts. It really doesn't matter what the brand is, you can probably find all the parts and put it together and/or have someone help you put it together. It is fun, a learning experience, and rewarding to build one.
Fly
since a person could build one I would assume the $200 tax and reporting such an item is not mandated by law? how could i start a project like this?
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Creating an SBR without the tax stamp is a federal felony.
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Creating an SBR without the tax stamp is a federal felony.
Good to know!!!
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Get one of these at Cabelas and you don't need the Federal paperwork....
Add a Sig brace and a magpul angled foregrip (can't have a vert grip) a sight and voila...
(http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/43131-DEFAULT-L.jpg)
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You still have to pay the $200 tax, fill out an ATF Form 1, get your lower receiver engraved with the manufacturer info (you) and wait for approval. The only difference if you buy vs build is that buying one is a Form 4 and it's already engraved.
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DO NOT start building a SBR before you get your tax stamp, extreme Illegal,
now as far as a SHTF rifle. Im building one now,
a H&K 53, this has a 8.5 inch barrel, 25, 30, and 40 round mags,
im waiting on my tax stamp so I can put a stock on it,
Heckler & Koch HK53 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iShkCNCJf14#)
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Good to know!!!
Let me clarify a few things...
If you want a short barrel rifle (SBR) regardless of whether you buy it already built or buy the parts to build it, you MUST fill out the paperwork as bkoenig stated, pay your $200 tax stamp, etc.
Regarding building the rest of the rifle, or a non-SBR rifle, you can buy all the parts pre-made. The "lower" is the portion of the gun with the trigger guard, magazine well, pistol grip, etc. THIS is what is considered the firearm by the ATF. The rest of the parts are just...well...parts. You can buy a stripped (no parts, just an empty shell that you add parts to) from MANY manufacturers. So by "building" your own firearm, I was referring to the act of purchasing the pre-made parts and putting them together.
Regarding what "would be best for a SHTF" rifle. There is no perfect rifle and/or caliber. You have to do some reading and make that determination for yourself. Be aware, when you build one, they will start to pro-create and the next thing you know you have six "SHTF rifles". One SBR for close quarters. One 20" barrel for long range. One in .300AAC. One AR-10 (7.62/.308). etc. etc. They are like rabbits or Tribbles.
Check out AR15.com (a.k.a. ARFCOM). Read and be cautious about asking newb questions without doing a COMPLETE search because there are many web commandos that will rip off your head and $hit down your neck for asking a question that they have seen before. Better yet, read on AR15.com, then come back here to get a friendly answer.
I personally am largely inexperienced in the AR-15, or most rifles for that matter, but there are many hear with great amounts of knowledge on the subject.
Fly
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That is an AR-15 with a short barrel. That's the great thing about AR-15s, you can mix and match a lot of different parts to make it what you want. Keep in mind short barrels such as this will require a $200 tax, paperwork, background check, and a wait while everything is processed, etc. In regards to what you are looking for, specifically a rifle that can reach out to 200 yards, well you may be looking at the wrong barrel length in the photo. Even a 16" or longer AR doesn't do that great out to 200 yards if you are talking shooting through body armor.
An AR-10 (.308) or AR-15 in .300AAC might be more capable out to 200 yards.
Fly
300BO was designed for CQB 200 yds is pushing things.... 6.8spc with a short barrel has a lot more reach.
Just like any firearm bullet selection and shot placement is key. If you shoot someone at 200 yes with a fmj reload compared to a M855 you are going to have a big performance difference.
My rifle is a 14.5" barrel blind pinned and welded to 16". This saves about 1.5" of overall length. This is a legal way to get a slightly shorter over all length.
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Also if you want to a SHTF rifle I would pick one that is a NATO 5.56 7.62. This will make ammo replenishment a lot more likely compared to any other "Wildcat" calibers.
Oh yes and BRD Black Rifle Disease is hard to kick.
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A lot of good info about starting a FORM1
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/257740_Complete_Guide_of_how_to_complete_a_Form_1.html
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You still have to pay the $200 tax, fill out an ATF Form 1, get your lower receiver engraved with the manufacturer info (you) and wait for approval. The only difference if you buy vs build is that buying one is a Form 4 and it's already engraved.
No, that is not correct. The weapon shown is an AR pistol with a Sig wrist brace. It is NOT a rifle and does NOT require any tax stamp. It is completely legal in the configuration shown. The part appearing to be a stock is not actually a stock. It is designed to wrap around the forearm and act as a support brace when firing the pistol.
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No, that is not correct. The weapon shown is an AR pistol with a Sig wrist brace. It is NOT a rifle and does NOT require any tax stamp. It is completely legal in the configuration shown. The part appearing to be a stock is not actually a stock. It is designed to wrap around the forearm and act as a support brace when firing the pistol.
the first pic that Brandonhein posted is a SBR<
the second pic in line that DenmanShooter posted is a sig brace pistol,
Brandonhein asked about is a SBR,
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The one with the arm brace is the one bk responded to saying he would "still" need the tax stamp.
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I meant a sbr - I was slow posting and didn't see the sig brace. That would not require a tax stamp.
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Disregard. Thought you were talking about my post. Carry on.
Fly
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300BO was designed for CQB 200 yds is pushing things.... 6.8spc with a short barrel has a lot more reach.
200 yards is not pushing things for 300blk.
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x432/jcooney10311/Zombie%20Apocolypse/Slide2a_zps7044366a.jpg)
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200 yards is not pushing things for 300blk.
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x432/jcooney10311/Zombie%20Apocolypse/Slide2a_zps7044366a.jpg)
Jon any idea on how many inch barrel that is? It would be interesting to see one for all three with say a 12.5" barrel.
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Why not avoid the $200 stamp and all the AFT interaction and buy a bullpup class rilfe:
http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw (http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw)
You can get one with legal barrel lengths of 18" to 32".
Here are the pros and cons (http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html). More recent bullpups eliminate the problems of gas and cartridge ejection near the face, as the video above demonstrates.
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Why not avoid the $200 stamp and all the AFT interaction and buy a bullpup class rilfe:
http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw (http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw)
You can get one with legal barrel lengths of 18" to 32".
Here are the pros and cons (http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html). More recent bullpups eliminate the problems of gas and cartridge ejection near the face, as the video above demonstrates.
Thats what I am looking for! I love the Fs2000 but you cant find one. Finding that weapon I have found out is liking finding a blonde with 38-24-36 that isnt stupid and loves men without a 7 figure salary. in short, you aint going to find one! Thanks for this info. exactly what i was looking for.
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here is about 20 of them,
http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=fs2000 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=fs2000)
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here is about 20 of them,
http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=fs2000 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=fs2000)
You Sir are my HERO!
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Jon any idea on how many inch barrel that is? It would be interesting to see one for all three with say a 12.5" barrel.
In a sbr, 300blk craps all over 5.56
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/jim-barrett/comparing-sbr-calibers-5-56-223-versus-300-blk/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/jim-barrett/comparing-sbr-calibers-5-56-223-versus-300-blk/)
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If you are serious about getting an SBR started or building an AR in any form come see us out at American Reaper Arms. We would be happy to get you pointed in the right direction.
It should also be noted that for SHTF you also really need a suppressor. Zombies are attracted to noise after all, as is the case with most other predators. We can help you out with this too.
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Why not avoid the $200 stamp and all the AFT interaction and buy a bullpup class rilfe:
http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw (http://youtu.be/cNKvlV1oxfw)
You can get one with legal barrel lengths of 18" to 32".
Here are the pros and cons (http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html). More recent bullpups eliminate the problems of gas and cartridge ejection near the face, as the video above demonstrates.
Not to get into any kind of lengthy debate here, but if the OP is really looking to build a genuine SHTF rifle I wouldn't look at bull-pups since parts availability will be very difficult in that situation. AR parts will be everywhere.
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Not to get into any kind of lengthy debate here, but if the OP is really looking to build a genuine SHTF rifle I wouldn't look at bull-pups since parts availability will be very difficult in that situation. AR parts will be everywhere.
True, but if he builds it he can also build replacement parts for it.
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You Sir are my HERO!
Have you looked into a Tavor? I dont have any experience with them but I hear its a good bull-pup style rifle. They are usually in the 1700.00 range.