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Title: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: NE Bull on April 13, 2015, 03:05:16 PM: You read that right. I've been holding my tongue for too long now, and now that it has been made official.....
Our very own Dick Clark (aka citizenclark) has announced his bid for District 27's open seat in 2016!
I am super excited about this. Having worked with Mr. Clark the last year or so on the NFOA BoD and seeing him at work in the hall of the Capitol, I can truly say, I feel he would be the best man for the job. He his not only respected within our little community, but the level of respect the man has earned around the state capital is commended. His unwavering devotion to his family and his faith is nothing short of Heroic!
I ask of you all, in the coming months, PLEASE join me in supporting
Dick Clark for Nebraska Legislature!

Stay tuned here and with the NFOA PAF, as I'm fairly certain we will be going all out to back this candidate.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: AAllen on April 13, 2015, 04:02:40 PM: Yes I am already looking into how and what the NFOA-PAF will be able to do to support Dicks canadacy. I also have a couple of other supportive candidates in tough districts that could use our support. At my discount a candidate getting business cards stationary some stickers etc. to really get started costs about $3,500. Dick could most likely tell you, through the normal candidates purchase things it could cost $20-25,000 for the same items. I get great pricing from a supporter of the NFOA, yes we have members that are helping out this way, providing goods and services at their cost and when possible donated. Consider making a donation so we can get some candidates going.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: tstuart34 on April 13, 2015, 08:39:30 PM: Great news I joined a group on Facebook that was trying to get Dick to run.

Congrats Dis. 27.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: DanClrk51 on April 14, 2015, 06:44:14 AM: Wow! This is exciting. It would be nice to see him on the judiciary committee :)
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: NENick on April 14, 2015, 08:45:38 AM: Let us know when help is needed with the campaign.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: Lmbass14 on April 15, 2015, 09:01:32 AM: Quote from: DanClrk51 on April 14, 2015, 06:44:14 AM
Wow! This is exciting. It would be nice to see him on the judiciary committee :)

Was extremely impressed with Dick Clark during the resent hearing where he was testifying. Very articulate to say the least. To bad he's not in my District, and like Nick, I'll help with the campaign.

Is it possible that Dick can replace Ernie on the Judiciary committee? How does that selection work?
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: Mali on April 15, 2015, 01:30:19 PM: Here's hoping he wins! We need as many friends in there as we can get.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: CitizenClark on April 15, 2015, 01:35:59 PM: I will definitely take all of you up on offers of campaign support! Right now I am in the very early stages of the campaign: filling out my roster with campaign mgr. and treasurer, opening bank account, early fundraising, etc. Financial contributions will be certainly be needed, but so will volunteer time working phones, stuffing envelopes, and knocking on doors.

Thanks for everyone's interest, and of course I will do my best to keep you guys posted as things progress.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: AAllen on April 23, 2015, 12:31:40 PM: The NFOA-PAF is kicking off a special fundraiser, all proceeds will be used to elect Dick Clark to the Nebraska Legislature:

https://secure.piryx.com/donate/aKjH1KXH/NFOA-PAF/patriots
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: gigabelly on May 21, 2015, 09:32:46 PM: That's my district. Super excited after speaking with him yesterday. You obviously will have my vote and I would help beyond that if you need anything.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: sjwsti on May 22, 2015, 10:05:49 AM: I havent forgot about this exchange between myself and Mr Clark. It gives the impression that if Mr Clark were elected to public office his support for public safety personnel would be lacking.

Quote from: CitizenClark on December 01, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
The whole point of the right to keep and bear arms is to be able to defend yourself against tyranny. I can't imagine an emptier legal right to keep and bear arms than one that allows for any armed agent of the state or other "emergency responder" to arbitrarily disarm you.

If you dont like the law, work to change it. Using emergency responder and "tyrannical agent of the state" in the same sentence is so ridiculous that you made me laugh.

Quote from: CitizenClark on December 01, 2012, 12:27:14 PM
I shouldn't have to sign anything to be left alone. If you lay your hands on me against my will, you are committing a battery. My right to keep and bear arms should not be dependent on your ego.

A refusal of treatment form is simply a release of legal liability for the responder if you are advised to seek treatment and refuse to do so. If you suffer further injury or illness later its not our fault. Your free to refuse treatment and free to not sign. I will simply document your refusal in my report. You wont be "forced" to sign and if you believe this you are mistaken.

Quote from: CitizenClark on December 01, 2012, 12:30:43 PM
If you choose to be some sort of emergency responder, as far as I am concerned you are assuming the risks that come along with that choice. Your choice doesn't give you any right to abridge my liberty.

I gladly assume the risks that come with my job. Every day I do what I can to reduce and manage those risks so I and my crew go home in one piece. If that means hurting your feelings so be it.

To insinuate that you are being victimized by emergency responders, simply by having your weapon temporarily secured for safety reasons, is BS and insulting.

There are a number of risks that we as CCW holders assume by carrying a weapon. Being involved in a medical or traumatic emergency while armed and having to have that weapon secured is one of them.

- Shawn
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 10:51:02 AM: I personally agree 100% with Mr. Clark, we must fight for our 2nd. Amendment rights without any hesitations or give, "shall not be infringed" doesn't allow for any wiggle room and we have lost so much as far as being infringed upon already.

If we say it's ok for emergency responders to disarm us, we have to agree with law enforcement disarmament and no guns in hospitals and agree that in times of emergency, we would have to agree that, the military should be able to disarm us and seize our guns because their safety is as important as a firefighters or an ambulance crews, do you see how the slippery slope works and how we can't give an inch, we have given far too much already.

What we need to come to a conclusion about is, LAWFULLY CARRIED GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: sjwsti on May 22, 2015, 11:09:51 AM: Quote from: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
I personally agree 100% with Mr. Clark, we must fight fight for our 2nd. Amendment rights without any hesitations or give, "shall not be infringed" doesn't allow for any wiggle room and we have lost so much as far as being infringed upon already.

If we say it's ok for emergency responders to disarm us, we have to agree with law enforcement disarmament and no guns in hospitals and agree that in times of emergency we would have to agree that the military should be able to disarm us and seize our guns because their safety is as important as a firefighters or ambulance crew, do you see how the slippery slope works and how we can give an inch, and we have given far too much.

You are obviously under the same delusion as Mr Clark. Im not going to debate this again. You can read the entire thread that I quoted from above were all of the reasons for disarming an injured or sick person are listed. If you really believe that securing a dangerous weapon from someone that may be in shock from trauma or suffering a medical emergency that directly effects the ability of their brain to function is a violation of the 2nd amendment...well thats just nuts. Like Mr Clark you have no real idea what our jobs entail and have no business making or unmaking laws that directly effect our safety.

- Shawn (Agent of the State)
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 11:19:05 AM: And than in times of emergency I'm sure you can see why it would be necessary to disarm the people, I'm just saying, safety and all, and I don't want to argue either.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: sjwsti on May 22, 2015, 12:30:10 PM: Quote from: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 11:19:05 AM
And than in times of emergency I'm sure you can see why it would be necessary to disarm the people, I'm just saying, safety and all, and I don't want to argue either.

Thats not what I said and you know it. I have never, nor would I ever, voice support for "disarming the people". Nice try though. Good luck with the campaign and have a nice day.

- Shawn
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 12:35:48 PM: You have a nice day also :D
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: ILoveCats on May 22, 2015, 02:06:23 PM: I'll have to go back and read the thread. It would seem pretty common sense to me......

- Scenario One: Guy is at Chipotle taking selfies with his AR-15 to post on Facebook when he has a diabetic seizure. Paramedics arrive on the scene and make sure rifle is secure. Good thing! :)

- Scenerio Two: Hurricane hits New Orleans. Little old ladies' .38 specials are taken away “for their own safety.” Bad thing! :(
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: farmerbob on May 22, 2015, 05:41:35 PM: Maybe my main issue is, we don't need the law saying they have the right to disarm a law abiding citizen, obviously there are circumstances when this would be necessary, we don't need a law stating emergency personnel can destroy private property, you know when they may cut off one of your pant legs or rip open your shirt, it goes with out needing a law, common sense shows it's necessity.

I guess what I would like to get back to is, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed", everything else infringes.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: AAllen on May 22, 2015, 06:13:40 PM: Quote from: sjwsti on May 22, 2015, 10:05:49 AM
I havent forgot about this exchange between myself and Mr Clark. It gives the impression that if Mr Clark were elected to public office his support for public safety personnel would be lacking.

Shawn when I read your posting here about an "exchange" with Mr. Clark and looking at your post I thought the two of you had some type of discussion, going back to the thread and looking at it Mr. Clark made some statements that I would agree with you do not sound all that inviting, to which you replied (and pasted that reply here) and he had no further response. In fact his initial comments were not directed at you or anything you said.

While I agree things could have been said better, some things may have also been taken out of context or misinterpreted, just as one could take the language you are using here describing an exchange. While I do not agree with everything either of you say you both can bring valued comments to a discussion and I personally often find these discussions causing me to question my thoughts on some subjects.

If you are concerned that Mr. Clark has a problem with first responders could I recommend that you reach out to him and have a discussion. You two will not always agree on everything but I bet that if you spoke you would find that you agree far more than disagree. I think that you would find that one sided discussions do nothing to sway or educate the other.

Edit to add: I would love to get a note from one or both of you as to how that discussion turns out if you have it, I understand that publically here on the forum may not be the best place for that (its too easy for things said this way to not be understood when parties do not always have a common reference point). But the PAF is interested in candidates that are supportive of first responders missions, we may not always agree on how some things should be done but there is a general support.
Title: Re: ONE OF OUR OWN IN THE UNICAMERAL?
Post by: Famous556 on May 23, 2015, 01:34:04 AM: I too was part of that exchange. And in keeping with the spirit of keeping the thread clean, I'll just say it left a bad taste in my mouth as well.