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General Categories => Laws and Legislation => Topic started by: Wymore Wrangler on August 05, 2010, 09:20:55 PM
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I was in the Lincoln Scheels today, they have a sign up stating that since the BATF has not formally approved the CCW permit being used in lieu of the hand gun purchase permit, they will not sell anyone a handgun without a purchase permit. I asked the salesman why this policy, We discussed that you could still use your CCW, but they could still call in for NCIS check. While he agreed that would be legal, Corporate Offices are setting this policy. He lost out today, I was in the mood to buy a gun, but I'll take my gun business elsewhere...
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Oh and I forgot, no more folding stock AR's, Corporate policy...
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I guess I can understand the policy of not accepting the CCW permit for permit to purchase, if it really hasnt been formally approved by the BATFE, being as they are a big corporation they're just practicing the old CYA. But the no more collapsible stock (assuming thats what you meant) thing is a joke. I have never bought any firearms from Scheels, and now will certainly not. IMO, either you support gun rights, or you don't. If a business who is in the business of selling firearms refuses to stock/sell certain guns because of "scary" features like a collapsible stock (assuming this is their reasoning), then they ought to just stick to selling tents and bicycles. just my $.02...
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Sounds like I'll be writing a letter to Scheels explaining why I won't be buying any more guns from them.
Edit that, I just emailed inquiring about the policy inquiring whether it was true and the reasoning if so. If it is true, this is going on AR15.com, The High Road, The Firing Line, etc. The last thing we need is a previously good retailer betraying us.
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Pretty sure the one in Omaha will let you walk out without registering if you have a CC permit. Last I heard that was the case anyway.
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I talked to a few dealers in Omaha and if the BATF wont accept the CCW as a background check then they have to do the call in to NICS. I dont think it is Scheels or any other dealer rather the BATF taking their sweet time approving this.
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When Scheels first came to Omaha, they had NO black rifles. Then, they had some varmint-style(and camo Remington) AR's for a year or 2, then after the 2008 election buying craze is when they finally started carrying regular and tactical styled AR's.
It could be that sales are just down enough to stop carrying certain styles again.
Plenty of places have better deals on guns than they have. I saw a standard 91/30 there for $300 last year, Sol's had nicer ones for just over $100.
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The BATFE has to approve the CCW law, and the BATFE has no director yet. It is not Scheels fault they can not accept a CCW. Call the BATFE and complain, ask why they are dragging their feet.
Who in their right mind would want to be the director of the BATFE under Obama? 1.5 years into his only presidency, and he can't fill that post. I nominate DanW.
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I don't have a problem with the CCW issue if they're trying to make sure they're covered legally. I also don't have a problem with them not selling collapsible stocks if there's a good business reason (which I find hard to believe since M4geries are the best selling AR out there). What I do have a problem with is if they stop selling collapsible stocks because they're afraid they're too "evil" looking. It's they're right as a business, but it's also my right to take my business elsewhere and let others know about it.
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I was in there back in March and was told they dont sell them because the general public thinks they are too evil. (at least that was my take on it) I do think they sell the collapsible stock as an add on that you can buy and take home to put on.Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Well, here was the response from Scheels when I inquired about the collapsible stocks. Sounds like their Customer Service department didn't feel like answering this question and decided to punt:
Thank you for contacting Scheels. The best way for us to answer your
question and assist you is for you to contact the Scheels Store closest to
you. In this case, we do not have any information to determine your
location. For store locations and contact information, please visit
www.scheels.com and click on the ?Locations? link at the top of the page.
Thank you,
Scheels Customer Service
customerservice@scheelssports.com
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Who in their right mind would want to be the director of the BATFE under Obama? 1.5 years into his only presidency, and he can't fill that post. I nominate DanW.
Hmmmm. . . what did Dan do to you Scott to wish that on him? :)
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Who in their right mind would want to be the director of the BATFE under Obama? 1.5 years into his only presidency, and he can't fill that post. I nominate DanW.
Hmmmm. . . what did Dan do to you Scott to wish that on him? :)
Well for one , I am not in my right mind
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Oh, Dan. . . I know you're qualified. :)
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They also have stopped selling the silhouette targets as well. Several years ago, I bought the last of them the Lincoln Scheels store was going to sell..
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They also have stopped selling the silhouette targets as well. Several years ago, I bought the last of them the Lincoln Scheels store was going to sell..
The still have a silhouette cardboard backer, or something like that, i was in there this week looking at targets, but none of the paper silhouettes anymore... i think they only have that one because it is in a package and is more expensive LOL
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I was told by a Lincoln dealer they don't sell AR's w/collapsible stocks because they only sell certain models and get better pricing by purchasing in bulk, thus less options. Why not, then they can sell you one.
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The Nebraska Concealed Handgun Permit has not yet been approved by the BATFE as an exemption to a NICS background check, only the Handgun/Firearm Puchase Certificate has been approved. So if a dealer attempts to call in a NICS background check for an individual wishing to purchase a handgun, the ATF will not proceed with the check since a NE Handgun/Firearm purchase certificate is required in order for that individual to complete the purchase. Therefore, an individual with a valid CHP who does not also possess a valid FPC cannot legally purchase a handgun from Scheels or any other FFL gun dealer until the BATFE approves the NE CHP as an exemption to a NICS check.
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The Nebraska Concealed Handgun Permit has not yet been approved by the BATFE as an exemption to a NICS background check, only the Handgun/Firearm Puchase Certificate has been approved.
You are correct with this part of your post. We are still waiting for the ATF to review and accept the CHP.
So if a dealer attempts to call in a NICS background check for an individual wishing to purchase a handgun, the ATF will not proceed with the check since a NE Handgun/Firearm purchase certificate is required in order for that individual to complete the purchase.
Where did you get this information? The ATF does not do the check, the NICS check is an FBI service. Which credentials were presented by the customer is documention on the ATF Form 4473 and kept on file by the dealer. That information is not provided as part of the NICS check.
Both the CHP and the Nebraska FPC are valid forms of "permission" by the State of Nebraska to purchase a handgun, as granted by the State of Nebraska. Having "permission" from the State of Nebraska and having passed a background check are separate.
Therefore, an individual with a valid CHP who does not also possess a valid FPC cannot legally purchase a handgun from Scheels or any other FFL gun dealer until the BATFE approves the NE CHP as an exemption to a NICS check.
According to the ATF agent I work with, this is incorrect. A person with a CHP has the permission from the State but until the BATFE approves the CHP as an exemption to a NICS check the dealer must perform a NICS check.
The confusing this about this is that there are at least three functions these certificates/permits serve. First is "permission" from the State of Nebraska for you to purchase a handgun. Second is the NICS check requirement (or exemption of). Third is the Omaha registration aspect. Been covered here before and I won't get into that aspect. My shop is in LaVista so my business is not involved in the Omaha registration mess.
If you have sources for your statement, please provide them. I need to know about any conflicting information from what I have been provided by my ATF agent. If Scheels, or any other dealer, makes a decision to not accept the CHP permit that is their choice and not a legal restriction.
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I bought a handgun on the 17th from a dealer in Omaha. They told me no HPP required with a CHP, but they would have to do a NICS check. If you have both documents you skip the check and the registration with the city. Once BATFE approves the CHP as a waiver for the NICS check, you can skip both with a CHP.
I'm not going to hold it against any dealer in Omaha who hadn't changed policies the second the law went into effect. I think they are all on the same page now.
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Quote from RLM5150:
Both the CHP and the Nebraska FPC are valid forms of "permission" by the State of Nebraska to purchase a handgun, as granted by the State of Nebraska. Having "permission" from the State of Nebraska and having passed a background check are separate
This is correct, both are forms of permission to purchase a handgun. When a call is made to FBI NICS (thanks, it was late last night) the operator asks if the firearm being transferred is a long gun or a handgun. If you state "Handgun" the NICS operator will not proceed with the check since the state of residence of the purchaser stated by the dealer earlier in the NICS call is "Nebraska" and a Handgun Purchase Certificate is needed in order to transfer in Nebraska. The HPC serves as the background check. Until approved by the ATF, a CHP does not.
Please e-mail me directly and we can compare ATF sources.
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Well that could be the difference. I don't use the phone, I do it all online with e-NICS.
Interesting. I will be in touch.
Thanks
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I haven't looked at AR stuff at Scheel's Omaha (other than ammo) for awhile, but I'm pretty sure they had collapsible stocks in the glass case near the rifle cases with the magazines and flashlight mounts and such.
In all honesty, Scheel's Omaha has been pretty good to me. They will keep getting my business.
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Jack is the manager in Omaha and has been very helpful to me.
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After going to both the Omaha and Lincoln Scheels in the past week I'm thinking the salesman must have been full of it. Both stores had AR's with folding stocks, in fact the Lincoln one had a JP rifle with a Magpul PRS stock. Most of their AR's are DPMS but it's pretty cool that they're carrying some higher end stuff.
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As some of you probably know, I was banned from the forum some time ago. Apparently, the ban has expired. I'm not posting here to argue with anyone or create unnecessary conflict. I wouldn't be here at all but for the fact that NFOA still sends me email alerts. I was curious about the legislation that NFOA is supporting regarding the so called castle doctrine. It was unclear to me in the letter posted by Mr. Allen, apparently from the Omaha World Herald, whether the legislation being supported included the right to defend oneself anywhere one has a legal right to be, or exclusively in ones' own home.
As for Lincoln law, the topic of this thread, I don't have documentation at hand. However, I seem to recall after doing some research in the past that the special misdemeanor crimes that prohibit possession of a firearm in Lincoln and preclude one from getting a permit to purchase will not be enforced against those with a concealed handgun permit. On an additional note, I believe possession includes ownership, not simply have the firearm on or near you at any given time. Therefore, taking guns to your father's house, or some other friend or relative, would not prevent prosectution for this offense unless the place of storage was outside the city limits. Just an FYI for anyone caught in this situation.
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They never used to sell any evil firearms, then Cabelas came to town selling anything.
Now that Cabelas is under new corporate style management don't expect gun counter men who know anything.
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If you talking about Jack Prewitt, he's about as classy as a person can be, I once saw him draw himself the winning ticket for a 1500 dollar Colt single action, he was president of the club then, and threw it in the fire and said draw again...
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Jack is the manager in Omaha and has been very helpful to me.
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Bought a Walter P22 today at Cabelas, they have changed their policy somewhat from the past with no gripes from me, they took my CCW permit, but did do a NIC check on me... Now if Scheels would get smart and do the same thing...
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Wish I had a surefire way to move the BATFE into action.
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was at scheels tonight, the have ars in.223 with the collapsible stocks now.