General Categories => Firearms Training and Education => Topic started by: sjwsti on March 24, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Title: Couple new training videos
Post by: sjwsti on March 24, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
We see this happen all the time in training. Drawing from concealment, under pressure with the threat at bad breath distance, and you get a handfull of your shirt as well as the gun. So what do you do?
In the first video we were going to let the gun go dry to simulate a malfunction when I inadvertently got my shirt entangled with the slide (exactly what we were training for)
The gun fires once and then stops. The response is to immediately strike with the pistol to scramble the BGs OODA loop. Identify the problem and if it can be fixed quickly, move off line and get the gun back into action. In this case the slide was closed with no obstruction so a TRB fixes it quickly.
So now we take that same scenario, but now we have a catastrophic malfunction of the gun, something that will take more than a couple of seconds to fix. The quicker response now is to transition to another weapon. In this case it will be a knife.
The gun fires once and stops. Immediately strike the BG. I see the action open with an obstruction and know this will take too much time to fix. In this video we experimented with moving the pistol to the support hand and then drawing the knife. This seemed slow and it would be nice to be able to use that hand to defend or control the BG.
So in the second video I simply drop the pistol to the ground. This gave me both hands to work with and seemed the better response.
In the last video we try a technique that I read about on warriortalk. If your gun is completely entangled in your shirt, they advise you to shoot through it and then thrust forward ripping the gun past the shirt.
We tried this with three different shooters, three different guns and two calibers. We couldn't get it to work even once.
What we learned- The gun will fire through he shirt. How many times? Who knows. We emptied entire mags and other times only got off a couple of shots before the gun malfunctioned. And then it was a matter of moving off line, disentangling the gun from your shirt and fixing the malfunction.
- Shawn
Title: Re: Couple new training videos
Post by: SeanN on April 26, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
Interesting videos. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Couple new training videos
Post by: bkoenig on April 26, 2011, 09:12:56 PM
Or carry a wheelgun that doesn't have a slide to jam up ;D
Seriously, though, these were good videos. I've thought about how to deal with that problem a lot. I usually carry a snubby so it's not as big of a deal, but I do occasionally carry an autoloader and can see how it would be a problem. It's good to have a plan for dealing with things like this.
Title: Re: Couple new training videos
Post by: Dan W on April 26, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
My thought about the last one shooting through the shirt was this.
If you did not extend the arm to force the muzzle through the cloth, you might have a better chance at avoiding the failure that results when the fabric blocks the extraction port of the slide. It is bound to cause a stoppage when the brass gets stuck in the port.
Title: Re: Couple new training videos
Post by: altheman2 on April 26, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
Thank you for the videos...gives me something to think about... might carry my revolver a little more after thinking about all the possibilites
Title: Re: Couple new training videos
Post by: Mudinyeri on April 27, 2011, 07:37:03 AM
Good videos.
Seems to me, if you carry a revolver, you're simply going to end up with different issues if your weapon gets caught up in your shirt on draw. The shirt could get caught between the hammer and the frame, for example. Getting hung up in your shirt is not a semi-auto-specific issue.