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General Categories => Carry Issues => Topic started by: jakub on March 03, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
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For those interested, first time application for chp took 55 days. Turned in paper work Jan. 9th.
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Congratulations! A year ago they were taking about 4-5 weeks. The Nebraska Code says they have 45 calendar days to process. Perhaps a representative from here can stop the delays if a pattern starts. One of the ways to fight legislation that is disagreed with,is to underfund the implementation. "We're doing the best that we can. But,the budget,outdated equipment,all these applications,the law is unreasonable in regards to the time constraints,etc." All are intended to harass,annoy, delay,and just plain disrupt and discourage. I'm not saying this is the case,just that it's a possibility. Thanks for the heads-up, Jakub. Hopefully other recent ccw appliers will chime in. RJ
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Yet another reason for constitutional carry..............government incapability.
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For those interested, first time application for chp took 55 days. Turned in paper work Jan. 9th.
For future reference, others who encounter an unlawful delay in the issuance of their concealed carry permit should do something about it. The cheapest, easiest way to "do something" is to call the governor's office and inform the person that you talk to that an executive branch agency is not complying with a statutory obligation. You may think this is pointless, but I assure you that this is taken very seriously.
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Yet another reason for constitutional carry..............government incapability.
Yes, there is no question that constitutional carry is best and should be the ultimate goal of gun activists in Nebraska. People have a natural and constitutional right to keep and bear arms. No one should have to pay a state agency in order to exercise a fundamental right.
In the meantime, though, one thing that could be done to improve the permit wait time significantly is to remove the requirement for a full FBI criminal background check. Doing away with that check and replacing it with a NICS check would also do away with a significant portion of the cost to State Patrol of processing permit applications.
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I turned in my application on Feb 28 in North Platte. The lady told me 45 to 90 days
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JumpStart....I would contact Tom Hanson who since you mention North Platte I assume is your Senator. I would contact his office should you not receive you permit in 45 CALENDER days (not business, skipping holidays and weekends, etc), but a true 45 days and ask them to inquire with NSP what the delay is. By LAW, NSP is to complete the process. This is becoming more of an issue. Yes, NSP is undermanned, so leads me to think the Unicameral needs to provide more resources to them to comply with the LAW.
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I turned my application on jan 27th. received it yesterday. paperwork says it was done on the 13th. If I can I count right, that is 46 days.
I also used the north platte nsp. lady told me 90 days. on march 9th I emailed the governor. i have not heard back from gov. office but maybe it did help get it done sooner.
also emailing Tom Hansen does no good. I have sent several emails and never hear back. I know a few other people that never hear back after emailing. I have emailed other senators and they have replied.
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JumpStart....I would contact Tom Hanson who since you mention North Platte I assume is your Senator. I would contact his office should you not receive you permit in 45 CALENDER days (not business, skipping holidays and weekends, etc), but a true 45 days and ask them to inquire with NSP what the delay is. By LAW, NSP is to complete the process. This is becoming more of an issue. Yes, NSP is undermanned, so leads me to think the Unicameral needs to provide more resources to them to comply with the LAW.
When I got mine, I called several times for the status and was told at one point that it was 45 BUSINESS days. I was under the impression that it was calendar days as well but the lady insisted that it wasn't. Is there something documented one way or the other?
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http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/forms/ccw/CCWRegs.pdf (http://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/forms/ccw/CCWRegs.pdf)
009 PERMIT ISSUANCE PROCESS
009.01 If the application for a permit to carry a concealed handgun is complete and all accompanying documentation is submitted, a permit will be issued to the applicant by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five (45) calendar days so long as the record check reveals no disqualifying information and applicant meets all of the requirements of the Act and these regulations. If the record check can not be completed within the forty-five (45) calendar day limitation, a permit will be issued but is subject to cancellation if information is received that disqualifies the applicant.
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Also: http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2430 (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2430)
69-2430 (3)(b) Beginning January 1, 2010, the permit to carry a concealed handgun shall be issued by the Nebraska State Patrol within forty-five days after the date an application for the permit has been made by the applicant if the applicant has complied with this section and has met all the requirements of section 69-2433.
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Never attribute to Evil that which you can chalk up to incompetence. -- Harlan Ellison.
Same end result I know but in this case, I'll go with simple indifference, not malicious intent on the NSP's part.
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Did the unicam up NSPs budget at all when we started with concealed carry?
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This is an interesting thread... I submitted my application at Lincoln on Feb. 28th. Asked what kind of turn-around time to expect and was told "with all the renewals coming in, they've pretty much been taking the full 45-days." She added "the ones that went out yesterday were at 44 days." So, they're apparently tracking and know where they are on the time line.
I'm only on day 22 and April 13th will be 45 days -- we'll see!
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This is an interesting thread... I submitted my application at Lincoln on Feb. 28th. Asked what kind of turn-around time to expect and was told "with all the renewals coming in, they've pretty much been taking the full 45-days." She added "the ones that went out yesterday were at 44 days." So, they're apparently tracking and know where they are on the time line.
I'm only on day 22 and April 13th will be 45 days -- we'll see!
Is she saying renewals are taking 45 days, they have only 5 days that means they would be running 6 weeks behind.
If it is for first time permits they have 45 days though, and that is calendar days not business days.
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Is she saying renewals are taking 45 days, they have only 5 days that means they would be running 6 weeks behind.
If it is for first time permits they have 45 days though, and that is calendar days not business days.
She was responding to my question about my first time application, so I took it that she was referring to my situation (first time permits that went out previous day were at 44 days), and using the flood of renewals as an excuse for it taking the maximum time alotted.
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Thanks Alan that means they are getting back on schedual, not as fast as the person waiting wants but within the law.
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Anyone recall how long a training class is good for before you would have to take a new one for a first time permit?
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Anyone recall how long a training class is good for before you would have to take a new one for a first time permit?
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2433 (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=69-2433)
This doesn't specify how recent the training must be, I would take that to mean once in a lifetime is enough,heheh. Hopefully an instructor will confirm. I have a Utah permit also, and that one must be applied for within a year.
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022.02 To be approved, the training course must have been conducted:
022.02 A by an instructor certified by the Nebraska State Patrol;
022.02 B utilizing a lesson plan approved by the Nebraska State Patrol; and
022.02 C after the instructor has been certified by the Nebraska State Patrol. Courses which were taught by instructors before they became certified to teach this course under the provisions of these regulations will not meet the training requirement for a permit.
022.02 D within the three (3) years immediately preceding the date of application.
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Ah-hah. Better info than I could find.. ;D
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Thanks Dan,
I have a friend that lived in Nebraska, moved out of state, then came back in January. She left for a job. Can she take an approved class now, wait until the 180 days is up for her to establish residency, then complete the application process?
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Thanks Dan,
I have a friend that lived in Nebraska, moved out of state, then came back in January. She left for a job. Can she take an approved class now, wait until the 180 days is up for her to establish residency, then complete the application process?
Yes, I think that would be well within the regulations
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Thanks again Dan!
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Dan, is the new avatar an indication of the level of love you've been feeling on the board lately? :)
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Thanks Dan,
I have a friend that lived in Nebraska, moved out of state, then came back in January. She left for a job. Can she take an approved class now, wait until the 180 days is up for her to establish residency, then complete the application process?
the REAL question is; "Why, on God's green earth, did she come back? " ::) :P
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Obviously, it's The Good Life.
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Dan, is the new avatar an indication of the level of love you've been feeling on the board lately? :)
You noticed that... I thought it was funny, but I have very strange sense of humor.
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You noticed that... I thought it was funny, but I have very strange sense of humor.
Dan I like it, in fact I was considering stealing it.
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You noticed that... I thought it was funny, but I have very strange sense of humor.
**** storms *are* funny.
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Well today is day 45 for me I called the NSP to check the status of my permit was told to wait 1 to 2 more weeks. The lady I talked to was very understanding and knew about the law. I just emailed the governors office and did a complaint thru the ombudsman office. Not sure what else to do besides call again on monday and see where things are at.
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Yes JumpStart withing the next week or so they will start sending out permits to everyone who is at or over the 45 day time line, They are standing things up to do this at this time but they do need to keep track of who they do this for so they continue the processing.
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Andy.........
Heard anything about the CID Office working on CHP renewals?
I hit 45 days today, no renewal CHP in the mailbox yet. As we all know, it's supposed to be 5 days turnaround time on CHP renewals. Good thing to start Very Early in the four month window.
Anyhow, back to the issue of getting on schedule w/CHP renewals.
Any news there??
sfg
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http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,5365.0.html (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,5365.0.html)
I added updates here, they are hoping to get things caught up over the next couple of weeks, they are brining in so temporary part time people to help get them out and trying to address the issues.
Personally I hope this is the truth and we are about to see a lot of permits coming out. I think we need to look at this as a learning experience for the SP and try to work with them to help them avoid these problems in the future. If you are not in danger of your old permit expiring I would request being a little more pateint before making to many calls. The same person that talks to folks on the phone and responds to emails is working on issuing permits, which would we rather have them do send out a permit or apologize for the permit not being out yet.
Lets give them a couple more weeks and see if they are getting caught up. If there is not an improvement soon then we need to readdress this in a firmer way.
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Thanks, Andy............
Your suggestion about patience will be respectfully heeded.
Whether (a) more squeaking wheel would help to spur the CID to great efforts or (b) some watchful waiting might be in order at this time was the issue for me.
As it happened, I applied for renewal at the very beginning of the four month window. Present CHP won't expire until June.
So there's a bit more time on my permit. I'll give the situation until the end of April and see what happens. And will post that info on this Forum as it unfolds.
sfg
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Thanks SFG, right now the best thing we can do is recognize that they are trying to fix this and give them the chance. I recommend to anyone whose permit is coming due to take advantage of that four month period and get their apps in early. Hopefully by the time they get them in this will be straitened out and will no longer be a problem.
The Lt. Colonel I spoke with specifically stated they do not want anyone put into a position where their permit expires before a new one is issued, if someone gets into that position they should make the call to the CID and they will make them their priority.
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Finally, after 61 days it's here. There oughta be a law against that.........oh wait, there is. :laugh:
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Finally, after 61 days it's here. There oughta be a law against that.........oh wait, there is. :laugh:
Wow, 61 days!
I called last Thursday - my day 44 - (before Andy's request for patience above) was told they are taking "close to 60 days" ... I acted so surprised and disappointed, politely asked "so, you guys really don't issue by day 45 as the statute and regulation requires??"... The immediate response was "no, we don't do that very often, would you like to talk to my supervisor?"
I just continued to whine about how disappointed I was, "was REALLY counting on being able to carry during a camping trip to Yellowstone in a couple of weeks... sure thought that I had done everything I needed to do to get it in plenty of time, thought I understood the time-frames." She offered, "well maybe I can do something" ... "can you??" .. "yes, I think so" ... looked up my app, confirmed it was received Feb 28, and said "I'm gonna pull your application and see what I can do to get it out to you." So, I am hopeful (especially after Andy's great work on our behalf) that maybe the mailman will bring me something soon!
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Got it today! 50 days (letter says it was mailed two days ago).
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AlanS ---- Very Good ;D - I think everyone who is over the 45 day mark will soon be seeing their permits showing up also --- Neal