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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: Neeco on October 23, 2012, 03:56:29 PM
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Hey all!
New to the .org and the forums, and proud to contribute when and where I can!
Couple of quick questions:
1) Is there a thread anyone can point me to that goes over the Clubs and Ranges near by? If not, can anyone give me a brief synopsis? I am looking for both the ability to take a short trip for basic practice/training, and also for full day excursions of plinking and friendly competitions with friends.
2) Are there any local 'smiths that are preferred? I am having an issue with a recent new acquire (Sig Mosquito) and if I can't get it fixed, would like an expert opinion on it (besides "Sell it fast and never look back!") - There is a bit of reasoning behind my purchase against my better judgement. The "skeeter" has a couple of functions for a "90%" type trainer. One being the de-cocker. My wife is just starting to join me at the family land to plink around and this one was bought with her in mind. Another reason for the Sig was the manual thumb safety and its size and heft.
3) Who should I start researching for basic through advanced classes? Plan on the CCW sometime soon, and also would love to learn to shoot 3 Gun. Or any type of friendly competitions for that matter, if I can get better that is! Ha!
Thanks for reading my book! Glad to be here and looking forward to talking with some local people for a change!!!
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Hey all!
New to the .org and the forums, and proud to contribute when and where I can!
Couple of quick questions:
1) Is there a thread anyone can point me to that goes over the Clubs and Ranges near by? If not, can anyone give me a brief synopsis? I am looking for both the ability to take a short trip for basic practice/training, and also for full day excursions of plinking and friendly competitions with friends.
2) Are there any local 'smiths that are preferred? I am having an issue with a recent new acquire (Sig Mosquito) and if I can't get it fixed, would like an expert opinion on it (besides "Sell it fast and never look back!") - There is a bit of reasoning behind my purchase against my better judgement. The "skeeter" has a couple of functions for a "90%" type trainer. One being the de-cocker. My wife is just starting to join me at the family land to plink around and this one was bought with her in mind. Another reason for the Sig was the manual thumb safety and its size and heft.
3) Who should I start researching for basic through advanced classes? Plan on the CCW sometime soon, and also would love to learn to shoot 3 Gun. Or any type of friendly competitions for that matter, if I can get better that is! Ha!
Thanks for reading my book! Glad to be here and looking forward to talking with some local people for a change!!!
Where are you located?
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www.NebraskaConcealedCarry.com (http://www.NebraskaConcealedCarry.com) for Concealed Carry Training
www.precisionresponse.4t.com (http://www.precisionresponse.4t.com) for advanced training
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For Ranges:
www.engc.us (http://www.engc.us) (outdoor by Louisville south of Omaha)
www.lincolnikes.org (http://www.lincolnikes.org) (outdoor by Lincoln)
www.thunderalley.us (http://www.thunderalley.us) (indoor in Lincoln)
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Try this for ranges.
http://wheretoshoot.org/index2.cfm (http://wheretoshoot.org/index2.cfm)
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Where are you located?
Lincoln.
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Thanks for the links!
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For competitions:
www.rockyourglock.tripod.com (http://www.rockyourglock.tripod.com) (at Lincoln Ike's range, patterned after GSSF matches, but open to all brands of firearms)
Indoor matches in the winter Rock 'N Thunder at Thunder Alley
3-gun, steel challenge and USPSA at Louisville. www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com (http://www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com)
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The Bullet Hole in LaVista Ne offers CCW, beginner and advanced training, all done indoors and year round.
www.thebh.com (http://www.thebh.com)
88 Tactical in Tekemah Ne. also offers novice, CCW and advanced classes.
www.88tactical.com (http://www.88tactical.com)
I work as an Instructor for both companies and if you have any specific questions I am glad to assist.
- Shawn
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I had a Sig Mosquito for a couple years before I sold it. I loved the way it felt in my hand, and because I work in Tool & Die I was able to keep it running for the most part (otherwise it only good for a malfunction drill pistol :laugh:). It had a LOT of problems, and I recently sold it a couple months ago because I was sick of fixing it constantly. Just out of curiosity, what problems were you having with it? I might be able to give some advice... However, if you're going to spend any money at a gunsmith on the Mosquito, I would sell it and buy an M&P 22 or a Ruger SR22. They are much better and have the same features as the Mosquito, and they are within its price range as well.
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i have a mosquito and have had only a few FTE problems...mostly from weak 22 ammo. CCI works really good in mine. maybe contact Sig and see if they can fix it for you for free or cheaply.
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i have a mosquito and have had only a few FTE problems...mostly from weak 22 ammo. CCI works really good in mine. maybe contact Sig and see if they can fix it for you for free or cheaply.
CCI worked great for my Mosquito, until the gun had problems with light primer strikes...then it would only work around 70% of the time. Other than that, Mosquitos seem to have good luck with CCI.
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Neeco:
If you live in Lincoln and want CCW instruction, the Very Modest Chris Zeeb is about the Best You Can Get around those parts........Chris and his partner, Roger Terrell. You won't do any better.
So you might want to back up a few posts, send a PM to Chris and find out when his next class is forming, assuming that you are pretty much ready for it. His classes shoot at Thunder Alley, right on the east side of Lincoln.
If you need to practice your shooting before taking a CCW class [which is always highly recommended], zip over to Thunder Alley and meet Randy Lauer, the range owner. Practice shooting until you're ready.
Welcome to the NFOA Forum.
sfg
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I think that was meant for Neeco haha
also, as a coincidence, I took my CCW class with Chris and really enjoyed it. I would definitely recommend him as well.
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Ineuke:
I was just trying to pull an endorsement out of you.
Thank you,
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ps-correction made.
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Neeco:
If you live in Lincoln and want CCW instruction, the Very Modest Chris Zeeb is about the Best You Can Get around those parts........Chris and his partner, Roger Terrell. You won't do any better.
So you might want to back up a few posts, send a PM to Chris and find out when his next class is forming, assuming that you are pretty much ready for it. His classes shoot at Thunder Alley, right on the east side of Lincoln.
If you need to practice your shooting before taking a CCW class [which is always highly recommended], zip over to Thunder Alley and meet Randy Lauer, the range owner. Practice shooting until you're ready.
Welcome to the NFOA Forum.
sfg
SemperFiGuy~
Thanks for the info! I look to complete my CCW relatively soon, but am currently crunched for time. I work full time in IT at a plastics manufacturer, go to class full time in the evenings for a degree in CIT, and what little extra time I have left is reserved for my beautiful wife and 3 boys (4,2,.5). An hour at the range is a once a week deal IF I am lucky. Any time for an extra class would have to be worked into the family time, and the wife is particularly greedy with that time. ;D
I work within throwing distance of Thunder Alley and have met both Randy and his son. As a matter of fact, I am taking the Mosquito there today to see if the polish and grease work will help fire NON-CCI rounds. I picked up some Rem 333 and of course a few more boxes of CCI-Standard (So I can at least get some time in).
Is there a source for Mini-Mags in Lincoln? DEGuns, ThunderAlley, nor the box stores have any on hand. I can always order some up but would like some for today's session.
To everyone else who posted: I will try and answer any questions you had.
First off, Thank you Chris Z and sjwsti for the links!!!
Ineuke - I am beginning to understand your frustration! The most common issue I am having is a FTE/FTL combination. Either the expended casing won't eject fully, or the slide doesn't go far enough to pick up the next round. To me this would point directly to weak rounds and/or lack of lubrication.
The main reasons for this purchase were the de-cocker and size (90%). I wanted something that felt like the real deal and would be safe (most importantly) and cheap to shoot. It seems that I should have completed my research before having an all to common "impulse" buy. As to the weapon itself, it shot CCI Standards without a hitch, but would FTE/FTL almost every round of Federal Bulk. So I learned right away, the "cheap" part of my list would be out the door, if I can not get it broke in for the bulk ammo.
After my first session, I brought it home, re-read the manual and noticed a couple things I missed in my "glance" the first time. Specifically that it comes with VERY LITTLE lubrication. Also, that the Mini's are a recommended ammunition for at least 500 rounds of "Break in". Well, that brings me back to not being able to find Mini-Mag's locally. I am part of a few forums and most are suggesting that I try the Rem 333 ( 36gr 1280 velocity) and continue shooting the CCI Standards (that work well) until I can get the Mini's.
Another thing I realized I missed on my first session: The mosquito had enough trouble early on that they started sending it with a second spring. This was found nicely tucked beneath the padded foam of the case. Per the instructions, the weapon is shipped with the "HV" spring and that the second spring is for "SV". I assume that it may be beneficial to use the standard velocity spring with standard velocity loads.... So that will be another part of the session today.
Overall, I really like the feel and the weight of this particular .22 and hope that I can get it to chew some cheaper rounds... If not, and it remains functional, I will just use the slightly more expensive loads and deal with it.
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Try putting some Remington Golden Bullets or Remington Thunderbolt through it. The Mosquito ate those up almost as reliably as the CCI stuff.
One thing I did to combat the FTE malfunctions was I made a precision brass lap on a lathe, and used some very fine expensive diamond lapping compound and polished the interior of the chamber. That seemed to help noticeably with a lot of the malfunctions (this is something only a gunsmith should perform, unless you know what you're doing). However, I was never able to get Federal or Winchester to work hardly at all in the gun, with the exception of one trick...if you spray down the ammo in the box with a little Rem-oil aerosol before you load it...I wouldn't recommend doing this with anything else, but it actually worked if nothing else was available.
I also never did get the weak extra spring working correctly. It always seemed to create more problems than the higher strength one.
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Try putting some Remington Golden Bullets or Remington Thunderbolt through it. The Mosquito ate those up almost as reliably as the CCI stuff.
One thing I did to combat the FTE malfunctions was I made a precision brass lap on a lathe, and used some very fine expensive diamond lapping compound and polished the interior of the chamber. That seemed to help noticeably with a lot of the malfunctions (this is something only a gunsmith should perform, unless you know what you're doing). However, I was never able to get Federal or Winchester to work hardly at all in the gun, with the exception of one trick...if you spray down the ammo in the box with a little Rem-oil aerosol before you load it...I wouldn't recommend doing this with anything else, but it actually worked if nothing else was available.
I also never did get the weak extra spring working correctly. It always seemed to create more problems than the higher strength one.
I did pick up some Goldens yesterday in prep for todays trials. We shall see!
Last night I polished up the feed ramp a bit and cleaned greased the slide. Hopefully it handles the Golden's...
I don't pretend to know ANYTHING about gunsmithing so I will leave that type of stuff to the pro's (until I learn of course!)
Thanks again for your input!
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Range session 2:
Didn't have the same luck with the second box of CCI Standards. Had 40ish failures out of 80. The Winchester 333 pack was even worse with something like 50 failures out of 70. The star of the day was the Golden Bullets from Remington. I had 99/100 successful. The one that failed was a FTE and I am almost positive it was a lemon round.
Unfortunately, the Mosquito is just not liking much of anything other than high priced, HV type ammo.
I still need to find some mini-mags. Both Walmarts, DEGuns and Thunder were out.
On the good side, I was getting >1" Groups at 15' with the Golden Bullets. Not to bad for a noob.
Looks like more polishing/cleaning this week.
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For competitions:
www.rockyourglock.tripod.com (http://www.rockyourglock.tripod.com) (at Lincoln Ike's range, patterned after GSSF matches, but open to all brands of firearms)
Indoor matches in the winter Rock 'N Thunder at Thunder Alley
3-gun, steel challenge and USPSA at Louisville. www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com (http://www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com)
The Weeping Water Gun Club also hosts a number of competitions each year. Their Team Rifle, Heavy Metal, and their unique 3-gun matches are a lot of fun.
http://www.weepingwatergunclub.com/ (http://www.weepingwatergunclub.com/)
People also hold bowling pin shoots throughout the year (well, at least while it is warm) that are supposed to be fun. I still haven't made it out to one, but I hear it is a seriously good time. You'll have to do a search for those, however.
Zeeb used to have a site up that pulled all the bowling pin info together, but it hasn't been updated since 2008. (!) If nothing else, though, you can use it to get information about pin shoot rules and divisions.
http://nebraskapinshooters.tripod.com/index.html (http://nebraskapinshooters.tripod.com/index.html)
I'll put in another plug for the competitions at ENGC. We have a lot of fun down there shooting USPSA Action Pistol, Steel Challenge, and Multigun matches. As Chris said, http://easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com (http://easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com)
...and we have a Zombie Match this Sunday! http://precisionresponse.4t.com/Zombie1/ZombieMatch.html (http://precisionresponse.4t.com/Zombie1/ZombieMatch.html)
If nothing else, come on out to see what action pistol competitions can look like. The Zombie Match is held using mostly-USPSA rules.
If you are interested in rifle competitions, ENGC hosts a LOT of those also. http://www.engc.us (http://www.engc.us)
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Oh, one last comment---Chris Zeeb teaches "Legal Aspects of Using Lethal Force" class that is excellent. He has one scheduled now, which is listed in the "Firearms Training and Instruction" subforum.
Strongly suggested for everyone who carries a concealed weapon.
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Thank you guys for all the great replies! I will certainly visit a Match out at ENGC. I will also be checking into classes. Thanks again for all of your input.
~Nick
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I got my wife a pink squito. Found it sad that sig recommends only cci minis right in the manual. Also came with a rebate for cci ammo.
After shooting it. Only minis work properly. It came with 2 springs. Both have issues unless using minis. It usually wont eject.
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I got my wife a pink squito. Found it sad that sig recommends only cci minis right in the manual. Also came with a rebate for cci ammo.
After shooting it. Only minis work properly. It came with 2 springs. Both have issues unless using minis. It usually wont eject.
Had great success with Remington's Golden Bullets. In either HP or Round nose. Put 500 through this weekend without a single Failure. Finally found a round it will eat that doesn't eat at my wallet.
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Walmart on 27th should have the Mini Mags, if not I have been substituting the Winchester Super Speed HP (red box next to CCI Mini Mags) =1330fps with 37 grain bullets ) with good results and sometimes a few cents cheaper.
Also you might try the CCI AR 22 tactical- was loved by my Chippea 1911-22, (1200 fps-40gr with a different bullet shape for more reliable feeding) or the Federal (ugg) Auto Match (1200fps/40gr) (which my old Marlin 60s just adore)
you might stay away from the Winchester XPERT HV (unfortunately a company I usually prefer) bulk. Last time out with the rifles, the lead seems to be a shade larger than the brass, or maybe just soft, but occasionally the lead would push back over the brass and lodge in the chamber. ( A bad batch, maybe I hope).
If you Really need some Mini-Mags, I could sell ya a box (I have some stockpiled in both Hollow Point and Round Nose)
Side note- the Mini Mags seem to be the preferred ammo for the Walther P22 also. Only thing my mom will run in hers.
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Walmart on 27th should have the Mini Mags, if not I have been substituting the Winchester Super Speed HP (red box next to CCI Mini Mags) =1330fps with 37 grain bullets ) with good results and sometimes a few cents cheaper.
Also you might try the CCI AR 22 tactical- was loved by my Chippea 1911-22, (1200 fps-40gr with a different bullet shape for more reliable feeding) or the Federal (ugg) Auto Match (1200fps/40gr) (which my old Marlin 60s just adore)
you might stay away from the Winchester XPERT HV (unfortunately a company I usually prefer) bulk. Last time out with the rifles, the lead seems to be a shade larger than the brass, or maybe just soft, but occasionally the lead would push back over the brass and lodge in the chamber. ( A bad batch, maybe I hope).
If you Really need some Mini-Mags, I could sell ya a box (I have some stockpiled in both Hollow Point and Round Nose)
Side note- the Mini Mags seem to be the preferred ammo for the Walther P22 also. Only thing my mom will run in hers.
I will have to try out the Winchesters, but for right now the Bulk Golden bullets are flawless. Can't beet the $10/225 price tag either. I talked with a rep at Walmart and the Mini-Mag's are on backorder because the factory is out of them. They had no idea when they would get anymore.
Put 500 rounds of the Gold's through Saturday without a single failure. Switched to the CCI SV, failed every round, the Target Match from Federal? Failed every single round. The Winchester 333 box? FTL Every round. Put Gold's back in, and ran flawlessly again. Its crazy that the weapon can be that picky. But I think I have boiled it down a bit. The Golden Bullets are slightly shorter overall. I mean by 1/16 - 1/32 of an inch... Barely noticeable.
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Did you switch to the lighter recoil spring? If so, try switching back to the stiffer one. I had HORRIBLE luck with the lighter spring, it wouldn't even work with the ammo that was working previously in the gun.
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Did you switch to the lighter recoil spring? If so, try switching back to the stiffer one. I had HORRIBLE luck with the lighter spring, it wouldn't even work with the ammo that was working previously in the gun.
I gave up on the lighter spring the second day of testing. The original is in and the Goldens are working well.
Ha, I don't suppose you would care to fondle the skeeter now that I have put two and two together! Disregard that comment in the PM! Hahaha.
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try cci stinger in my p220 conversion to 22lr they work 100% of the time