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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: Chuck Matson on November 12, 2012, 07:12:21 AM
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From what I can tell, citizens of these two states have started petitions to peacefully secede. As of this morning, I believe more than twenty states have citizens who have started petitions also. My name is on a petition for Nebraska as of yesterday. The person who started the petition from the columbus area and I were texting on Veterans day. We felt the celebration day for veterans would be appropriate in getting this ball rolling from here. Please feel free to sign your name and ask others to participate also. Thanks C
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Do you have a link?
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How do you sign it?
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Sent to admin NFOA. Didnt want to post without their approval.
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It was actually 15 States IIRC. Last night upon checking, signature counts were very very low. Basically it's a bunch of ppl doing typical very-pissed response, but far from critical mass.
Depending on how you interpret the Civil War, the rights of the States to leave the federal contract that is the Constitution is met by force / denied.
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yahoo.com has an article on it right on there homepage. Article said TX has 23000 signatures
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Post away Chuck...I think the idea is kinda out there, but what the hell have we got to lose
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Try this from the Whitehouse.gov site
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
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Try this from the Whitehouse.gov site
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
Yeah, and I noted that, say, Georgia has two petitions there. One with a capital G and one with a lower case :). They make'em smart down there (note, spent my teens in the South, got nothing bad to say about'em for the most part).
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Try this from the Whitehouse.gov site
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
I'm not seeing Nebraska on the list yet
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How about a petition to remove California, New York, Washington DC, New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maine, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maryland, Virginia, Illinois, Nevada and Hawaii from the United States, withdraw citizenship from all the territories (like Puerto Rico, Guam, etc) and let the real United States become great again. Of course, Red counties have the option to join a close state or start a new state that doesn't give Gov't handouts.
We would have to trade Omaha to Iowa, of course.
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How about a petition to remove California, New York, Washington DC, New Jersey, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, Florida, New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maine, Delaware, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maryland, Virginia, Illinois, Nevada and Hawaii from the United States, withdraw citizenship from all the territories (like Puerto Rico, Guam, etc) and let the real United States become great again. Of course, Red counties have the option to join a close state or start a new state that doesn't give Gov't handouts.
We would have to trade Omaha to Iowa, of course.
They can have Omaha, don't even need anything back in trade. ;)
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I would have to move then, I don't like Omaha but I'm definitely not living in Iowa..
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I would have to move then, I don't like Omaha but I'm definitely not living in Iowa..
Another need for that like button, where did it go.
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Texas has more than twentyfive thousand signatures. And Louisiana has Eighteen thousand. Nebraska now has Twentyseven. Am I counting on this making a difference? No. Is it a first time in history item that is note worthy? Yes.
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Petition for Texas to secede from US reaches threshold for White House response...
An online petition that calls for the State of Texas to withdraw from the U.S. and create its own government on Monday reached the required signature threshold to receive an official response from The White House. The petition on WhiteHouse.gov asks the Obama administration to "peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government." The petition had surpassed 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite)
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Just my .02, I don't think the time is right to be talking secession. Is it a possibility down the road? Yes, maybe, as a last resort. But I don't think the country is lost yet. Things will probably get worse before they get better, but I believe we can still right the ship. I'm not ready to give up and write off a large chunk of America. Secession would be a disaster for both sides.
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Just my .02, I don't think the time is right to be talking secession. Is it a possibility down the road? Yes, maybe, as a last resort. But I don't think the country is lost yet. Things will probably get worse before they get better, but I believe we can still right the ship. I'm not ready to give up and write off a large chunk of America. Secession would be a disaster for both sides.
I truly doudt enough signatures from a opinion petition will have any serious cause or affect. That being said, I will quote actor Barry Corbin and say, "I would p..s on a spark plug right now if I thought it would make a difference" ! And it has the media talking about it. Are the progressives calling us a bunch of loons like they do for everything they don`t like? Yes! But these are the same people who embraced the occupy pukes that caused so much distruction. Last I`d read, 7500 of those idiots had been arrested.I just refuse to let that nitwit John Boehner assume that the current president has my ok to cave to him.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/state-nebraska-wishes-seceded-union-and-form-its-own-sovereign-state/vtLjnkVM
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This ought to fan the fire a little. If this site is real, which do you think our fearless leader would pay more attention to? Keep in mind the NDAA.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
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Yes, whitehouse.gov is real.
The petitions from average citizens to secede their state is ultimately pointless however. Sure, it expresses gripes with the current state of affairs, but it has no legal power.
The state gov'ts are the ones that need to do the action. They are the parties named in the Contract (Constitution), not the people.
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Oh, another note.
I'm pissed and jumping without thinking and saying we should secede!
So... what form of gov't do you have planned ? Are you going to keep the Constitution or attempt to draw up something better ? Do you have any idea how smart the founding fathers mother****ers were ? :)
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Most likely a monarchy with Coach Tom as the first king.
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The petitions from average citizens to secede their state is ultimately pointless however. Sure, it expresses gripes with the current state of affairs, but it has no legal power
I believe I pointed that out. This IS a form of protest.So... what form of gov't do you have planned ?
The one we are supposed to have.
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Are you going to keep the Constitution or attempt to draw up something better ? Do you have any idea how smart the founding fathers motherbuggerers were ? :)
The idea behind these secessions is that the federal government no longer abides by the constitution.
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The idea behind these secessions is that the federal government no longer abides by the constitution.
They haven't for a long, loooong time.
I hold little hope that anything short of an all-out civil war will return us to anything resembling the Representative Republic as it was envisioned to be. :(
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Some of those petitions are a riot.....one of my favories so far is endorsing "Johnny Football" from A&M for the Heisman.....great use of out tax dollars and resources.....oh well back to the Gulag.....
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The folks that signed these petitions gave the government their personal information. I'm worried that they'll all be at the top of the list for IRS audits/harassment.
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Thanks for your concern, but I`d bet a shiny silver dollar I`m already on a few lists.
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I'd be very wary about signing one of these things, with Obama's attack on Second Amendment rights, they might twist this issue as renouncing your citizenship, which means you won't legally be able to buy a gun!!!!
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Peacefully grant the State of Nebraska to withdraw from the United States and create its own NEW government
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS)
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Thanks for your concern, but I`d bet a shiny silver dollar I`m already on a few lists.
I know of at least one list you are on.... ;)
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I'd be very wary about signing one of these things, with Obama's attack on Second Amendment rights, they might twist this issue as renouncing your citizenship, which means you won't legally be able to buy a gun!!!!
They are actually making it a lot more difficult to effectively renounce your citizenship. I don't think that these petition signatures would qualify.
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Peacefully grant the State of Nebraska to withdraw from the United States and create its own NEW government
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nebraska-withdraw-united-states-and-create-its-own-new-government/Jf5xVXrS)
This petition was started a day after the one I note. Yes they have more signatures than ours, however I do have a problem that the guy who started it is from ND. Also, many who have signed it are from out of state. We have a guy from MI who signed ours also. Hoping that he is in the military or something which would allow him to maintain his state of res.
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This petition was started a day after the one I note. Yes they have more signatures than ours, however I do have a problem that the guy who started it is from ND. Also, many who have signed it are from out of state. We have a guy from MI who signed ours also. Hoping that he is in the military or something which would allow him to maintain his state of res.
From what I've heard anyone can sign any of the petitions.
All of them are a collasal waste of time, IMHO.
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The petitions are only there to warrant an official response from the "Obama Administration." No way in hell would they actually allow any of the states to secede in such a manner. I signed because it shows that we are unhappy with the current state of affairs, and many of us would likely support a secession if it came to that. They are not a waste of time, and I'm definitely curious how the administration will respond...although I'm sure it'll be some B.S. answer.
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Don't like MA or NY ?
Sign the petition to remove them from the Union !*%^)@!*$_)@!%*!_@)%*!@_)%*(
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Just my .02, I don't think the time is right to be talking secession. Is it a possibility down the road? Yes, maybe, as a last resort. But I don't think the country is lost yet. Things will probably get worse before they get better, but I believe we can still right the ship. I'm not ready to give up and write off a large chunk of America. Secession would be a disaster for both sides.
I hope you're right.....but have my doubts. 'We the People' ain't what we used to be. I now have something in common with the First Sasquatch (aka Michelle Obama)- I am now ashamed of America.
I also think online petitions are as effective as online polls, that is to say less then zero.
Omaha is no paradise but things will have to get pretty ugly before I resort to moving to Iowa.
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I hope you're right.....but have my doubts. 'We the People' ain't what we used to be. I now have something in common with the First Sasquatch (aka Michelle Obama)- I am now ashamed of America.
I also think online petitions are as effective as online polls, that is to say less then zero.
Omaha is no paradise but things will have to get pretty ugly before I resort to moving to Iowa.
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj196/dogbone27/NotSureIfSerious.jpg)
Pretty much my thought on this whole thing.
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Losing U.S. citizenship is more difficult than most think. As citizenship constitutes a right of birth, the law ensures that nothing short of court-tried treason and self-renunciation can result in the loss of citizenship. To lose citizenship, you must self-renounce voluntarily in a formal ceremony, in writing or in a self-aware act. Most cases of renunciation will prohibit you from regaining your citizenship in the future.
Read more: How to Lose Citizenship in the U.S. | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_5663456_lose-citizenship-u_s_.html#ixzz2CaXe9Zku (http://www.ehow.com/how_5663456_lose-citizenship-u_s_.html#ixzz2CaXe9Zku)
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All of them are a collasal waste of time, IMHO.
Okay. Duly noted