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General Categories => Laws and Legislation => Topic started by: wallace11bravo on December 17, 2012, 05:37:54 PM
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/feinstein-to-introduce-assault-weapons-ban-bill/comment-page-8/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/feinstein-to-introduce-assault-weapons-ban-bill/comment-page-8/)
"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation, and the possession. Not retroactively, but prospectively. It will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets," she said. "There will be a bill."
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Well let us pray & hope that it does not go through.
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I'd say there is no way that it'll get through the House.... but I also thought there was no way that Obamacare would make it past the supreme court, and that Obama would get reelected.
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What I don't understand is how any ban of a particular type of firearm could hold up in court - the Heller decision made it plain that it was unconstitutional to ban an entire class of gun.
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Constitution? Whats that?
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Here's something different than the standard doom and gloom... kind of a glass-is-half-full view point, I guess.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/martin-albright/albright-awb-unlikely/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/martin-albright/albright-awb-unlikely/)
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I am pretty sure that Ms Fienstien introduces that bill every session
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I am pretty sure that Ms Fienstien introduces that bill every session
She stated she'd had it sitting on the shelf for the past year. Just waiting for the right opportunity to introduce it. What a vulture.
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buying panic must be setting in....I cant find much for in-stock 30rd mags......anywhere :-[
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You can't find anything in stock. I just spent the last hour searching for an LPK. BCM had a couple DPMS kits left, so i bought one.
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Picked up 3 Sabre Defense stripped lowers this evening. I'm debating whether or not to get mags, as I already have about 20.
Report of my brother-in-law, who called me in a panic, is that the Walmart in Beatrice and all three in Lincoln are sold out. As well as Scheels, save for a few very high $$ ones. I told him he could have one of the lowers.
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buying panic must be setting in....I cant find much for in-stock 30rd mags......anywhere :-[
Check here http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-m16-pmag-polymer-magazine-10-pak-prod42583.aspx (http://www.brownells.com/magazines/rifle-magazines/magazines/ar-15-m16-pmag-polymer-magazine-10-pak-prod42583.aspx)
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i saw her on the PBS Newshour.... unbelievable, all i could do is laugh at the crap she spewed.
i think a good way to oppose this bill is to tell all of our representatives that if they ban "assault weapons" then they are putting out thousands of workers out of work. the gun industry would suffer, no civilian money = no jobs, especially with the high probability of .mil spending cuts. also, focus on the mental health issue.
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Dangit Dan, i didn't need to do that! :)
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So much ignorance. And lies.
Dianne Feinstein to Reintroduce Expired Assault Weapons Ban (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6gqGDN9rw0#ws)
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The time is now 11:30. Pure amateur market speculation:
Everything has about doubled. The only in-stock Pmags are nearing $30, and you can't be picky.
USGI mags are around $24.
Only in stock lowers, stripped, are going for nearly $300.
There is a rumor that an OA stripped lower went for $900 on arfcom, have not been able to verify.
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She stated she'd had it sitting on the shelf for the past year. Just waiting for the right opportunity to introduce it. What a vulture.
"you never want a serious crisis to go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel
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Been looking for stripped lowers all night and can't find any decent ones at a reasonable price. And every major gun website has been down or extremely slow.
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The time is now 11:30. Pure amateur market speculation:
Everything has about doubled. The only in-stock Pmags are nearing $30, and you can't be picky.
USGI mags are around $24.
Only in stock lowers, stripped, are going for nearly $300.
There is a rumor that an OA stripped lower went for $900 on arfcom, have not been able to verify.
There are some out there - but google is very limiting. Hmmmm
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This bill is a feel good bill. It only bans the future. Not the ones you already own. So it does nothing but create panic and job loss.
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There are some out there - but google is very limiting. Hmmmm
Google is definitely anti gun and removed firearms search or is going to according to GunsAmerica
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Been looking for stripped lowers all night and can't find any decent ones at a reasonable price. And every major gun website has been down or extremely slow.
I'd call Derek at DE guns, he may have a couple left. Also Rod at Moeller Arms.
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Thank goodness I don't own any guns that utilize "big clips" or "drums".
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PMAG UPDATE!!!
Cheaper than Gold Plated Platinum is up to their old tricks again... ::)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-074?ingb=Y (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-074?ingb=Y)
Pmags are up to $59.95 each now. THIS is why I will NEVER buy anything from them. Ef-um.
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http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/18/cerberus-we-want-out-of-gun-biz/?source=yahoo_quote (http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/18/cerberus-we-want-out-of-gun-biz/?source=yahoo_quote)
The owner of bushmaster, dpms, Remington, AAC, etc... Wants to sell Freedom Group.
"It is apparent that the Sandy Hook tragedy was a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level..... Our role is to make investments on behalf of our clients who are comprised of the pension plans of firemen, teachers, policemen and other municipal workers and unions, endowments, and other institutions and individuals. It is not our role to take positions, or attempt to shape or influence the gun control policy debate.... There are, however, actions that we as a firm can take. Accordingly, we have determined to immediately engage in a formal process to sell our investment in Freedom Group."
My purpose here is not to generate fear and panic, my purpose is to show the membership that this is indeed a real threat we are facing. So maybe, just maybe, ya'll might do something as radical as say, writing your legislators.
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i would buy them in a second...... if i had millions.
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Or renew your NRA membership.
"Yes - if it took him more time to shoot, he might have shot fewer people. If one of those children had lived, it's worth losing a little personal liberty."
"You being able to play soldier at the local shooting range does not make assault rifles and high capacity amo clips something that we as a society cannot live without."
"I'm president of a sportsmen club and an owner of firearms. We banned assault wepons on our property because they are just toys with no practical use."
"Personally, I'd love to see a ban on all handguns and long guns with detachable magazines. I'd also like to see guns taxed to the point of it becoming an elitist activity. I'd like to see all firing ranges closed and I'd like to see a big government buy-back program with incentive pricing."
The above is just some of the commentary I've heard from folks claiming to support the Second Amendment.
The storm is on the horizon. If you dare oppose it you want to "kill beautiful, innocent babies."
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Chin-up everyone. Let's just plan on spiking that bill back into the ground before it even crosses the net! Write your representatives, donate to the NRA-ILA (https://nraila.org/get-involved-locally/secure/donate.aspx) and do something, if you're concerned.
It's been proven that measures like she's suggesting don't do anyone any good. Let's express that calmly and politely to those in power. Emotion is raging, right now -- calm down and take action... get off the "X." ;D
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CTD now has 1000 rounds of M855 for $899, or over double what it was a week ago.
100 round Surefire mags are $289, a little over double the former price.
they have also announced that they have suspended all firearms sales. Idiots.
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PMAG UPDATE!!!
Cheaper than Gold Plated Platinum is up to their old tricks again... ::)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-074?ingb=Y (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-074?ingb=Y)
Pmags are up to $59.95 each now. THIS is why I will NEVER buy anything from them. Ef-um.
...because you don't like the operation of the law of supply and demand?
I don't get it. All things being equal, when demand spikes, prices rise. Any businessperson who refuses to acknowledge this and act accordingly is foolish and will very likely have his resources allocated to better and more efficient uses by the people who were not so foolish.
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I think for the most part people don't have a clue what the second amendment really means or its purpose. Its not there to protect a "shooting hobby."
And thanks Dan for that link...hopefully they are on the way...
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Oh, believe me, I do understand supply and demand, Capitolism, free markets,etc. and applaud that system.
I also understand you don't bite the hand that feeds you. They have a track record of opportunism and when it comes to situations like these. This is why they have one of the worst reputations in the gun biz.
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$99 lowers w/ free shipping. http://www.ar15news.com/2012/12/18/aero-precision-ar-15-lowers-in-stock-free-shipping-99/ (http://www.ar15news.com/2012/12/18/aero-precision-ar-15-lowers-in-stock-free-shipping-99/)
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...because you don't like the operation of the law of supply and demand?
I don't get it. All things being equal, when demand spikes, prices rise. Any businessperson who refuses to acknowledge this and act accordingly is foolish and will very likely have his resources allocated to better and more efficient uses by the people who were not so foolish.
We're not even in the the realm of supply and demand here. There's a boatload and a half of PMAGs floating around for less than $15/each. CTD has a history of this crap.
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Tactical Solutions Gear in Fremont has em in stock for 14.95 if anyone is interested/needs some and can't find em.
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Oh, believe me, I do understand supply and demand, Capitolism, free markets,etc. and applaud that system.
I also understand you don't bite the hand that feeds you. They have a track record of opportunism and when it comes to situations like these. This is why they have one of the worst reputations in the gun biz.
I agree.
Businesses can charge whatever they want, and I don't have to buy it. That doesn't mean that they're not scumbags when they try to profit off something like this. It's their right to do it, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.
If I were to make a disparaging comment about your mother's morals it would be within my rights. But it also means I'm being a jerk. Cheaper Than Dirt are being jerks.
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Did I run into anyone here that I wouldn't recognize in person at DE in Lincoln today (from 1:00-2:30ish)?
I'm the asshole that got the last of the windowed Pmags.
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Did I run into anyone here that I wouldn't recognize in person at DE in Lincoln today (from 1:00-2:30ish)?
I'm the asshole that got the last of the windowed Pmags.
I was in there. Snagged a BSA red-dot and a holster.
And brownell's cancelled my order dammit.
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I had an order in with Midway for a Del-Ton upper. Originally, it was back ordered until January 2, 2013. Now it's July 2, 2013.
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So much ignorance. And lies.
IIRC Diane is also one of the privileged few to have CCW in CA.
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Another market report:
Almost everything is sold out. Everything online and brick and mortar stores.
What is left, based from armslist, gunbroker, ebay, a few others:
Pmags: $95-120 ~800% inflation
USGI mags: $40-80 ~%500 inflation
Stripped lowers: $600-$1000 ~600% inflation
Complete Rifles: Prices vary wildly, nothing cheap lasts long, Id guess average of about 400% inflation
Lower parts kits, uppers, etc can be found, but not easily.
And yes, items are selling at the prices listed above.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/mcmillanman5/88239917.jpg)
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In other news, NRA membership grows by record setting pace:
http://www.inquisitr.com/447898/nra-membership-increasing-8000-a-day-after-sandy-hook-shooting/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/447898/nra-membership-increasing-8000-a-day-after-sandy-hook-shooting/)
Leaks of NRAs intentions:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/nra-newtown-shooting-response/60124/ (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/nra-newtown-shooting-response/60124/)
Also, unconfirmed report of a guy in TN selling his personal stockpile of 100 pmags, at gouge prices... but wait for it... wait..... ALL PROCEEDS GO TO THE NRA... supposedly. What do you guys think? Moral behavior or not?
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A customer of mine that sells lots of mags at gun shows (in another state) called me the other day and asked if he should double his prices on this mags..........
I told him that is surely not what I would do, but he can do whatever he wants.... But remember, when you start f'ing people, when this all settles down, those people that you f'd are going to remember that and likely won't be your customers any more.
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A customer of mine that sells lots of mags at gun shows (in another state) called me the other day and asked if he should double his prices on this mags..........
I told him that is surely not what I would do, but he can do whatever he wants.... But remember, when you start f'ing people, when this all settles down, those people that you f'd are going to remember that and likely won't be your customers any more.
we do have to remember that someone will buy his whole supply at the normal price, walk across the room and start selling the for a profit. I just don't want your friend to get shafted either
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Where are you seeing stripped lowers at $600 - $1000, John?
Edit: Never mind. Just went to Gun Broker and did a completed item search. PSA lower sold for $355 yesterday - buy it now. Others are going higher at auction.
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A customer of mine that sells lots of mags at gun shows (in another state) called me the other day and asked if he should double his prices on this mags..........
I told him that is surely not what I would do, but he can do whatever he wants.... But remember, when you start f'ing people, when this all settles down, those people that you f'd are going to remember that and likely won't be your customers any more.
Got any of those $18 Glock mags left? I would take a few... ;D
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I am pretty sure that Ms Fienstien introduces that bill every session
She has, since before 1995, when she was outed as a concealed weapon carrier. The poor dear was walking each day to the hospital to see her sick husband and she was walking through a "bad" part of town, so that qualified her, in her eyes and for her only, to carry a gun. Too bad for the rest of us.
Here is an article about her latest attempt to introduce an "assault weapon" ban following Obama's re-election but before Sandy Hook. Notice in the picture heading up the article that she isn't watching her muzzle sweep and she has her finger on the trigger.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/11/foghorn/details-of-dianne-feinsteins-upcoming-assault-weapons-ban-proposal-begin-leaking/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/11/foghorn/details-of-dianne-feinsteins-upcoming-assault-weapons-ban-proposal-begin-leaking/)
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here."
The good news is that this has exactly 0% chance of passing right now. None. At all.
But, since Sandy Hook, Repub Congressmen are showing the strength or absence of their backbone and principals. A complete ban on weapons would be impossible to get through the SCOTUS until the Left can stuff the SCOTUS a majority of Leftists. In the end, probably a "feel good" measure will be passed, but will have absolutely no effect on the ability of thugs or the mentally defective to get guns, it will just put more hurdles in the path of those law abiding citizens wanting to protect themselves, and raise the height of the existing hurdles, like adding waiting periods at each step of the process, and increasing fees, so that it would take a year and several hundred more dollars to obtain a CHP, and taxes on weapons and ammo that would triple or quadruple their costs, putting them out of reach of all except the weathly and, or course, the thugs.
I had to laugh at one claim Pres. Obama made in yesterday's announcement: "... more regulations to keep the criminals from getting guns...". Here's a clue, Mr. President: Criminals are called such because they don't care about the laws. The most restrictive guns laws are in the areas with the highest gun crimes, showing those laws are worthless. Besides, when the Federal government is feeding guns to thugs using programs like "Fast and Furious" what good are gun laws anyway?
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I lived in the Bay Area in the 1970's and very distinctly remember then Mayor Feinstein ordering all San Francisco residents to turn in their handguns. She started with her own (a meaningless gesture, the SFPD had her guarded 24x7 in part because her predecessor had been murdered). It was BIG news at the time, but after spending some time searching for a news story on her handgun ban I have been unable to find one.
If anyone has access to LexisNexis and can find an article about her gun ban in the 70’s I’d appreciate getting a look at that.
Ron
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I found this interesting.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038391_gun_confiscation_executive_orders_cops.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/038391_gun_confiscation_executive_orders_cops.html)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Dianne_Feinstein#Gun_politics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Dianne_Feinstein#Gun_politics)
Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."[24]
In July 2006, Feinstein voted against the Vitter Amendment to prohibit Federal funds being used for the confiscation of lawfully owned firearms during a disaster.[25] [26]
Feinstein possessed a concealed handgun permit in the early 70's "And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me." -- 27 April 1995
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I found this interesting.
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Indeed!
Most of the gun violence in our city is drug addicts raiding the homes of other drug addicts. The statistics might appear to show a lot of armed robberies and shootings, but it's really just a small subset of homes or apartments getting raided over and over again by the same people, the drug dealers." When I asked what the real drug problem was, he answered without hesitation. "Meth." Not pot, not marijuana, not even heroin. Meth is the drug that drives violent crime in America's cities.
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Without a doubt meth is the major issue. I'd assume a large percentage of police calls are directly or indirectly related to meth.
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Koz, I would like to take some comfort in that link, but the folks polled were "contacts" of the author ..... probably a self selecting group.
The shenanigans during and after Hurricane Katrina in NOLA tell me that if the .gov sez it is an emergency of some sort, the .mil and LE WILL go out and pick up the guns.
They usually need some kind of cover to stomp on citizens' rights ...... if they don't have an emergency, they'll use the compliant press to manufacture one ...... watch ......
They'll demonize the target (you go talking about "Natural Laws" and they'll tag you as a "domestic terrorist"!), and the dumb masses will eat it up..........
The only things that gives me hope are the thousands of previously apathetic people signing up for the NRA every day now, and the guns and ammo flying off the shelves.
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Drudge report today links to this with a headline: Senate to go for handguns
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119 (http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119)
Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons Legislation
Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
*120 specifically-named firearms
*Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a
detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
* Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept
more than 10 rounds
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
* Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
* Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from
the characteristics test
* Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address
attempts to “work around” prior bans
*Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than
10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
* Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
* Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or
sporting purposes and exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National FirearmsAct, to include:
o Background check of owner and any transferee;
o Type and serial number of the firearm;
o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
o Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that
possession would not violate State or local law; and
o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
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When I read this I get the following...
We can't afford to run our own government, but we can afford to dedicate funding to the ATF in order to make sure our guns are legally registered?
Some old saying about a fart in church comes to mind...
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I dont really see much difference between this proposal and the one in 1994. What is a "Military Characteristic"? Anything she chooses it to be? All guns have "Military Characteristic"s dont they? And are there not more than 900 different types of firearms already sold in this country? Is she actually wanting to list the one's that are "Government Approved"?
Does she realize that smoking crack is illegal? Maybe she should lay off the stuff.
Ron
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I dont know about the rest of you but i am not registering ****
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I dont really see much difference between this proposal and the one in 1994.
Are you F'in joking?? NFA registration of all semi auto firearms capable of holding more than 10 rounds is absolute tyranny, not to mention the total ban on millions of existing magazines over 10 rounds
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Wow Dan you sure feel strongly about this one! Good for you. When you say total ban of the mags, does that also ban existing mags?
Can someone tell me, during the last ban, was transfer also banned or is that a new thing in the new proposed ban? Transfer I assume means you cannot even sell a banned gun, but if I remember you could sell banned before just could not manufacter them.
Sorry the ban was before my time in guns so I dont fully understand what I am looking at.
One thing I can tell you that banning something I own is equivalent to forcefully siezing property which is against the very grain, and original purpose, of the constitution.
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no the last one was just feel good cosmetic b.s. and yes they are talking about all current mags. F*c* you Feinstien
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Good for me? Ha, one might think the rest of "you" have nothing to lose in this fight...It is time to WAKE UP!
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Ok good for US!
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I hate to say this, and I feel that there is a huge amount of people that think this, but, if they pass this bill as written, things will get bloody. >:D
This IS the "LINE IN THE SAND" that could turn this country into chaos.
Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest of them don't matter, cause they will no longer exist.
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I hate to say this, and I feel that there is a huge amount of people that think this, but, if they pass this bill as written, things will get bloody. >:D
This IS the "LINE IN THE SAND" that could turn this country into chaos.
Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest of them don't matter, cause they will no longer exist.
Even if 1 out of every 10,000 gun owners resists it will be a bloodbath the likes of which this country has never seen outside of an all out war.
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If the government turns you into a criminal be the best criminal you can be.
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I am actually surprised she went this far- I expected her to ram through the same 94 AWB, "for now, until we can do something more." That same law would have had a very good chance of passing. Of course, this one may be watered down so much that it will be essentially the same as the old one.
Edited to add: here is the NRA-ILA's analysis of the supposed bill
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx)
However- I read what was on her website (felt bad about actually accessing her site...but I felt I had to...) but it seems the NRA is assuming that semi-autos in the registry can't be transferred, and have to be surrendered to the GOV on the owners death. I don't see that anywhere in her summary.
Does the NRA-ILA have some access to something we haven't seen yet?
NRA's assumption:
"Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government."
I will let you find Feinsteins bill summary on your own, I really don't want to link to it from here. I feel dirty enough after looking at her site.
Also- what the hell is the "one military feature" that will make the firearm an "evil assault weapon"? Guess we won't know for sure until the bill is officially introduced.
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dkarp, see the first item on Feinstein's list bans the SALE, TRANSFER, or manufacture. So by banning all sales or transfers of all "assault weapons" their would not be the ability to do so with one on the registry.
One military feature: Pistol Grip, flash suppressor or muzzle brake, adjustable or folding stock, bayonet mount, that shoulder thing that goes up, etc. The last "assault weapon's" ban allowed two items from the list.
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dkarp, see the first item on Feinstein's list bans the SALE, TRANSFER, or manufacture. So by banning all sales or transfers of all "assault weapons" their would not be the ability to do so with one on the registry.
One military feature: Pistol Grip, flash suppressor or muzzle brake, adjustable or folding stock, bayonet mount, that shoulder thing that goes up, etc. The last "assault weapon's" ban allowed two items from the list.
Just to clarify, it seems that flash hiders and bayonet lugs are no longer "evil features." I am thinking that now the "military feature" will be the pistol grip/thumbhole stock or any variation thereof.
Text from the summary on her page:
"Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and"
Also, later on in her summary in the ATF registry section it mentions a "background check of any owner and any transferee", I'm confused. If they can't be transferred, why a background check on any transferee?
Maybe it's a case of someone in her office cutting and pasting the ATF regulations relating to machine guns, and the text of the actual bill will address this for "assault weapons"?
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I am actually surprised she went this far- I expected her to ram through the same 94 AWB, "for now, until we can do something more." That same law would have had a very good chance of passing. Of course, this one may be watered down so much that it will be essentially the same as the old one.
Edited to add: here is the NRA-ILA's analysis of the supposed bill
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx)
However- I read what was on her website (felt bad about actually accessing her site...but I felt I had to...) but it seems the NRA is assuming that semi-autos in the registry can't be transferred, and have to be surrendered to the GOV on the owners death. I don't see that anywhere in her summary.
Does the NRA-ILA have some access to something we haven't seen yet?
NRA's assumption:
"Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government."
I will let you find Feinsteins bill summary on your own, I really don't want to link to it from here. I feel dirty enough after looking at her site.
Also- what the hell is the "one military feature" that will make the firearm an "evil assault weapon"? Guess we won't know for sure until the bill is officially introduced.
Is there a source for the information about turning in weapons upon death?
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Not that I have seen- the only info I have seen is from Feinstein's website, (shudder) that has a page with a "summary of 2013 legislation" here:
h t t p://w w w.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons ( I just can't bring myself to hotlink to her site, hence the spaces in the URL). :'(
There is also a link to a PDF with exactly the same information:
h t tp://w w w.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119
None of this has anything about forfeiture upon the owner's death......not to say she won't have it in the actual language of the bill...it's just not in the summary.
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Are you F'in joking?? NFA registration of all semi auto firearms capable of holding more than 10 rounds is absolute tyranny, not to mention the total ban on millions of existing magazines over 10 rounds
Hmmm, seems I didn't make myself clear.
I see nothing in this proposed idea of legislation that will make one bit of difference about crime. Not one thing. All I see here is an opportunity to again make law abiding citizens into criminals. Not one bit of substance.
Ron
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Hmmm, seems I didn't make myself clear.
I see nothing in this proposed idea of legislation that will make one bit of difference about crime. Not one thing. All I see here is an opportunity to again make law abiding citizens into criminals. Not one bit of substance.
Ron
I take it as a given that all gun control is lacking substance ... I apologize for reacting with such vitriol.
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Not that I have seen- the only info I have seen is from Feinstein's website, (shudder) that has a page with a "summary of 2013 legislation" here:
h t t p://w w w.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons ( I just can't bring myself to hotlink to her site, hence the spaces in the URL). :'(
There is also a link to a PDF with exactly the same information:
h t tp://w w w.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119
None of this has anything about forfeiture upon the owner's death......not to say she won't have it in the actual language of the bill...it's just not in the summary.
I wonder what, if anything, they have planned for all those NFA Trusts that have multiple owners with equal rights of ownership?
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I wonder what, if anything, they have planned for all those NFA Trusts that have multiple owners with equal rights of ownership?
I also was wondering if there would be some profit for the lawyers......
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anyone have a link to contact Fisher?
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http://debfischer2012.com/contact/ (http://debfischer2012.com/contact/)
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found that, Didn't know if that would get read by a staffer or campaign helper.
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found that, Didn't know if that would get read by a staffer or campaign helper.
I sent her a private message on her personal facebook page.
She didn't de-friend me so hopefully that's a good sign. lol
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Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest of them don't matter, cause they will no longer exist.
For all practical purposes the Bill of Rights has already been eviscerated, for security reasons of course. The PATRIOT Act, the RICCO Act, the NSA letters and a host of Presidential Executive Orders have essentially nullified the following amendments to the Bill of Rights:
!A -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
2A -- A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
4A -- The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
5A -- No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
6A -- In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.
8A -- Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
9A -- The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10A -- The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
11A -- The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.
It is amazing to me considering that the oath of office for the President is:
Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
and our Federal civil "servants" must swear this oath:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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For all practical purposes the Bill of Rights has already been eviscerated, for security reasons of course. The PATRIOT Act, the RICCO Act, the NSA letters and a host of Presidential Executive Orders have essentially nullified the following all amendments to the Bill of Rights:
Excellent post GreyGeek.
Here is another look into world history. I really hope everyone understands what could become of the Country that we love.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/back-to-the-future-what-history-teaches-about-gun-confiscations_122012 (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/back-to-the-future-what-history-teaches-about-gun-confiscations_122012)
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I wonder what, if anything, they have planned for all those NFA Trusts that have multiple owners with equal rights of ownership?
i would put my AR15's in my trust as SBR's not assault weapons. at least you can keep your SBR and pass it on after you die (Form 5). that is unless something stupid changes.
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I really don't think anyone has thought through the total collapse of the NFA registry that this addition of semi-auto rifles will cause.
Literally millions of new applications in a few days would crash the system, and effectively make it impossible to register a firearm, and since the unregistered firearm is already in your possession, probably creates millions of instant felons
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I really don't think anyone has thought through the total collapse of the NFA registry that this addition of semi-auto rifles will cause.
Literally millions of new applications in a few days would crash the system, and effectively make it impossible to register a firearm, and since the unregistered firearm is already in your possession, probably creates millions of instant felons
+1,000,000
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Or it could be a tactic?
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Colorado CBI overwhelmed.... 11,000 background checks backlog as of Friday - want more money/help to process application..
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22277119/colorados-crush-gun-checks-requires-more-money-officials?source=pkg (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22277119/colorados-crush-gun-checks-requires-more-money-officials?source=pkg)
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"'A tasty venison burger being necessary for the quality of a good cookout, the right of the people to keep and bear hunting/sporting weapons (that aren't too scary and that we say are ok despite our lack of actual knowledge) shall not be infringed.' Said no constitutional amendment... Ever." --TGS
Apologies, I hit modify instead of quote. Other than this I left it all the same :)
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"'A tasty venison burger being necessary for the quality of a good cookout, the right of the people to keep and bear hunting/sporting weapons (that aren't too scary and that we say are ok despite our lack of actual knowledge) shall not be infringed.' Said no constitutional amendment... Ever." --TGS
That is funny sh*t right there.
Anywho, thought this was a good read.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/this-is-not-1994/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/this-is-not-1994/)
Wondering if the old hands on here could lend an opinion as to its accuracy. I'm a bit to young to remember (I was 7).
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I found nothing in that article I could dispute ... Good read
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I just read this awhile ago.
http://www.infowars.com/high-school-student-suspended-for-writing-poem-about-sandy-hook-massacre/ (http://www.infowars.com/high-school-student-suspended-for-writing-poem-about-sandy-hook-massacre/)
Her poem spoke about the possible motivations that could have inspired Adam Lanza’s murderous rampage, but apparently that was ground not to be treaded on as the school suspended her for it and is threatening to permanently expel her.
Her school, the Life Learning Academy on Treasure Island in San Franscisco, Cali., saw the poem as a threat and said it violated their zero tolerance policy on violence.
That school is part of the San Francisco Unified School District. It is a public school with a fancy name.
Consider this. By allowing Christian students to read their Bibles on school buses, classrooms, or other school property, or pray at school functions like games or graduation, etc..., the SCOTUS ruled that, in affect, school board policies which "allowed" such activities were, effectively no different from Congress passing a law establishing or creating a state religion. Got that? You aren't smart enough to tell the difference between Congress and a School board. Therefore, such activities are "unconstitutional".
Now, it seems, these quasi-congressional bodies CAN suspend the 1st Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,..."
So, now it's a "twofer". both the free exercise of religion and freedom of speech are now illegal in public schools, if the rulings of school boards and principals mean anything. Both clauses have been turned onto their heads, making them mean the exact opposite of the meaning of the plain text.
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Freedom of Speech hasn't existed in schools for quite some time... either by students or by staff.
http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx (http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx)
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Freedom of Speech hasn't existed in schools for quite some time... either by students or by staff.
http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx (http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx)
Just another reason why my kids won't be going to public schools. They won't be entered into the system for processing.
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Freedom of Speech hasn't existed in schools for quite some time... either by students or by staff.
http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx (http://www.uscourts.gov/EducationalResources/ConstitutionResources/LegalLandmarks/LandmarkSupremeCourtCasesAboutStudents.aspx)
Oh I dunno, I guess it depends on which "side" you are on - there is an English Lit teacher back where I grew up that started a "Black Wednesday" to protest our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. He and his groupie students dress in black every Wednesday. Too bad I don't have kids and live back there - I'd have my kid lead a "Camo Wednesday" to show support for our troops.