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General Categories => Firearms Training and Education => Topic started by: SemperFiGuy on February 01, 2013, 10:27:00 AM
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9mm Reloading Clinic
Day/Date: Monday, 11February2013
Time: 6:00pm to 9:30pm [more or less]
Location: Paragon Firearms Training Center
713 N. Frontier Road
Papillion, NE
Cost: $20 [Incredibly Low Token Payment/Instructional Bargain of All Time]
#Attendees: 5 [maximum] First Come, First Signed Up [Sign Up Following This Post]
Instructors: Semperfiguy and Unfy
We have limited space for this activity. Therefore, only sign up if you Absolutely Will Be There. We don't want anyone to reserve a spot and then do the Infamous Last Minute Dropout Caper. You sign up; you be there. Even if the Wife and Girlfriend Both Go Into Labor That Evening.
Unfy's Soon-to-be-Famous Lee C-Shape Reloading Press Spent Primer Catcher Modification, Mark I will be unveiled that evening.
unfy
sfg
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I am in. Anyone from Lincoln who wants to carpool, let me know. No labor expected. Ever again.
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OK........We now have Gigabelly signed up
[Who I happen to know for a fact doesn't even shoot 9mm. He just wants to work the handle on the Big Green Honker RCBS Supreme Reloading Press.]
1) Gigabelly
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Some small informational details will be provided after we have our group established.
sfg
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Sure, I'll stick the needle in, I'm good for another obsessive hobby..... :-[
Count me in.
BYOB or is it supplied?
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Looking forward to it.
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What you need to bring:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
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Clinic is taking shape:
1) Gigabelly
2) ckspeed
3)
4)
5)
Unfy's Details:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
ckspeed:
Yes....You do indeed Buy Your Own Beer.....and then take it home to enjoy.
unfy
sfg
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ckspeed:
Yes....You do indeed Buy Your Own Beer.....and then take it home to enjoy.
unfy
sfg
Bring Your Own BRASS.....geeez, :o HaHaHa
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The brass doesn't need to be prepped, right. We will be learning how to prep the brass there (cleaning etc..).
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The brass doesn't need to be prepped, right. We will be learning how to prep the brass there (cleaning etc..).
We won't actually clean it... you can reload ammo without cleaning brass, and given that we'll be using a very safe load it's not a concern. In normal operation you would very want to clean it.
But it should be just as you picked it up off the range floor. No mud cakes please :)
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I'll bring my vibrating tumbler to show Gigabelly how it works. [I don't have any brass to put in it, however. It's all loaded up right now.]
And--[Gigabelly......May I call you Gig??]--we will discuss brass cleaning methods so that you can get some insights about this step in the reloading process.
sfg
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Hello
I would like to be apart of your class. I am just getting started reloading. I have all parts but projectiles. Please count me in
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Clinic is taking shape in leaps and bounds:
1) Gigabelly
2) ckspeed
3) iamjlira
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iamjira: We will supply the paltry number of projectiles that you will need for this class. And the primers.........and the Win231. All you need to bring are the 10-15 pieces of 9mm spent brass.
Unfy's Details:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
We move onward.............
sfg
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Hey, is this an NRA course? I want to get all the credentials I can muster. Will we get NRA certificates or something? Also, how can I get more certifications? Do you train individually on other stuff or do we need a class. Specifically, I am trying to get RSO and a few others.
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Do you think you would ever offer the class using 40 S&W? If not I would like to register for the class as I can get some empty cases from a friend. I am planning on purchasing reloading equipment in the near future and am sure I can learn something.
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Markk, I only shoot 40. The concepts will be the same, but differences in dies and plates. Go to the range and ask around for some 9mm brass. I got mine at Ikes today. If you explain why you need only a handful, people will give you the ones they were planning to reload themselves, just to help you get into it. Im not sure I got enough, but I think it will have to work.
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I picked up a few handfuls of extra brass at the range yesterday. I can bring some extra if need be.
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That would be great.
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There's no NRA cert that comes with the class or anything like that.
And for $20 ? Really ? heh, no.
This is a couple reloaders getting more shooters into reloading by getting others feet wet, providing fundamental information, and stressing safety.
As far as 40S&W, we keep it to 9mm due to being a popular round. While I have no complaints with offering a 40s&w class (it'd be identical to 9mm)... we will not offer a single clinic with students reloading both types of ammo, just to avoid any mistakes (safety issues). Also, the equipment that's already been bought for the clinic (so we don't have to tear apart our own reloading bench) was 9mm.
The only reason I chose to address the 40s&w question is that I understand that some people don't shot 9mm (i am one of them, none of my firearms are chambered for the round).... thus making some 9mm ammo is a bit moot for me :).
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Gig:
NOT an NRA course. I could teach one, but the NRA course will cost you $25 additional bucks for their reloading book, which you must have to get NRA certified, but which you don't really need to become a pistol cartridge reloader. NRA's book is a rather nice little book, but it doesn't have reloading data like the hardcover reloading manuals. Instead, spend that money on a real hardcover reloading book like Speer, Hornady, Lee.
No certificates. Instead, you will receive far more than your money's worth in reloading process technology in this class. Better than a certificate.
Let's discuss RSO: Get yourself and five other guys, I'll run an NRA RSO course for you for a nominal fee. An RSO credential does have some significant value for you.
Markk:
Sure. I'll run a .40S&W class. Running a .40S&W course is about as easy as a 9mm. Same process. Different dies and components. Actually, might be better for Gigabelly to drop out of the 9mm class, set up a .40S&W class that you and Gig could attend, plus other folks. Think about it. But I think the 9mm class will be entirely adequate to prep you for .40S&W. Not a nickel's worth of difference, really.
sfg
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One Thing for Sure:
Unfy, Gigabelly, and Markk are clearly not the culprits who are causing this current Incredible Shortage of 9mm ammo.
BTW......Won't kill youse guys to load a few rounds of 9mm, then go straight home, set up your .40S&W dies and start reloading .40S&W.
And--everything unfy said up above about not mixing calibers on the bench is Pure Reloading Gospel and could be set to Organ Music.
sfg
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SemperFiGuy,
Leave me off of the list for the 9mm clinic, I don't want to take a spot someone else could use. I will follow this thread and if there is still an opening right before the class I will sign up. I will keep an eye out for a 40 S&W in the future.
Thanks,
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I know of 6 guys, including myself, who want the RSO course ASAP. We all are looking for any credentials we can get, NRA or otherwise.
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if space is available I would like to attend.
thank you
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Clinic is taking shape as follows:
1) Gigabelly
2) ckspeed
3) iamjlira
4) kevins7189
5)
Unfy's Details:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
Sfg's Stipulations
We have limited space for this activity. Therefore, only sign up if you Absolutely Will Be There. We don't want anyone to reserve a spot and then do the Infamous Last Minute Dropout Caper. You sign up; you be there. Then unfy and I will come and hold the clinic. Our mutual contract.
We move onward.............
sfg
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SemperFiGuy, hoping you guys do another reload class....just can't make Monday evenings. I would be very interested in taking a NRA RSO class if you offer one.
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SFG, I talked to you during the CHP class, but put me down for tentative (if a 9mm user would take the spot). Monday the 25th would be a great day for me to do a 40S&W class 8)
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Jutty....
If you're a .40S&W guy and don't shoot 9mm, then we should set up a .40S&W class for you and others of the same situation. Markk has indicated interest in such, as well.
Now---as it happens, Monday, February 25 would work out quite well for a .40S&W reloading clinic/class so let's start moving in that direction. The main action needed now is for you and others to recruit wannabe .40S&W reloaders for the class.
We'll have to see if unfy wants to be involved that evening, since he--too--is of your particular fraternity. [What's going on?? Everybody has Big Fat Fingers??.....can't handle those little bitty .3555 diameter 9mm bullets??? (Actually, I use tweezers for 9mm.)]
Anyhow, the ball is rolling. I'll figger you for 25Feb instead of Monday, 11Feb unless you say otherwise.
And---an RSO course is in the works in the near future.
sfg
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I'll gladly help out with a class on the 25th as well as the already scheduled one on the 11th :).
Do note that the only tangible reason to attend a 9mm or 40s&w class over the other is if you don't happen to own a firearm in one caliber. IE: if you don't own a 9mm... then you kind of lack the joy of running down the range and firing off your freshly made ammo if ya attend the 9mm clinic.
The clinics will be *IDENTICAL* between 9mm/40s&w.
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I can't make a Monday night in Papillion, but I would be willing to donate 50 or so once fired cases, if there is a need.
UNFY- We still need to meet up for the great primer exchange, that is if you're still interested.
SFG or anyone, shoot me a PM if you need a few casings for this fine class. I am in Lincoln/Waverly and could meet up during the lunch hour (12-1) or before class (5pm) on weekdays.
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Well, I would rather do 40. I don't really care which one I do. If you need me in one to make the class a go, let me know. Otherwise, give my slot to someone who wants to do 9mm. I want to get the NRA paper anyway so I am likely to repeat the course. I would rather just take it once but since I signed up for it, I will be there if you need me, just let me know.
Man, that is confusing.
Take me off the list unless you need me to take the course for the class to go. There.
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Sign me up as well. I don't have 9mm now but plan on getting one. In any circumstance it's the procedures of reloading I want to learn... Gigabelly, i'd be willing to split gas with you and share a ride.
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SFG, ok, my fault, I forgot (good thing I have a lady to remind me) that I will be out of town the last week in February. :( Sorry if I threw a wrench into the mix there.
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Time for Reloading Team Substitutions:
Gigabelly is Out for now, temporarily. Goes on the Bench. But.....Gig gets to play on 25Feb13 in the .40S&W game.
Oleshome goes in the 9mm clinic for Gigabelly. Jutty gets Red-shirted for a game until his schedule clears.
Neeco backs up the Team w/9mm brass. We'll have to figger out how to connect. And in due time we will suit up Neeco and play him. Maybe in the Reloading Quarterfinals.
If the Lights Stay On, we've got a Winner.
Clinic is taking shape as follows:
1) Gigabelly Oleshome
2) ckspeed
3) iamjlira
4) kevins7189
5) lilong
Unfy's Details:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
Sfg's Stipulations
We have limited space for this activity. Therefore, only sign up if you Absolutely Will Be There. We don't want anyone to reserve a spot and then do the Infamous Last Minute Dropout Caper. You sign up; you be there. Then unfy and I will come and hold the clinic. Our mutual contract.
We move onward.............
[I ordered 10 NRA RSO training packets today.]
sfg & unfy
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If you have a Lincolnite in the group, I would be willing to meet up and hand over some brass. If not, I am trying to get to Cabelas this weekend to meet up with UNFY to have a primer swap, so I could also drop off the brass then (wife permitting, of course).
If you are in Lincoln or Waverly and are planning on attending this seminar, shoot me a pm and we can arrange the details.
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Neeco..........
If you are meeting up w/unfy this weekend, the easiest thing to do is just hand over the brass to hm.
He'll be there Monday evening. He can just bring it to the clinic.
And thanks for your support of the program.
sfg
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Neeco..........
If you are meeting up w/unfy this weekend, the easiest thing to do is just hand over the brass to hm.
He'll be there Monday evening. He can just bring it to the clinic.
And thanks for your support of the program.
sfg
That's just it, it's a tentative plan so far. I'll know more closer to this weekend.
Thank YOU for helping those in search of training.
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Clinic is Now Fully Booked, as follows:
1) Oleshome
2) ckspeed
3) iamjlira
4) kevins7189
5) lilong
Unfy's Details:
* Safety glasses or sturdy prescription glasses
* 10-15 empty / fired 9mm cases
* note taking materials if you're the note taking type
* $20
Sfg's Stipulations
We have limited space for this activity. Therefore, only sign up if you Absolutely Will Be There. We don't want anyone to reserve a spot and then do the Infamous Last Minute Dropout Caper. You sign up; you be there. Then unfy and I will come and hold the clinic. Our mutual contract.
More Later.
sfg
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It was a pleasure fellas.
Remember, students, if ya got any questions, feel free to ask here in the forum (preferably the reloading section) or via a PM or similar.
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Five (5) Brannew Metallic Pistol Cartridge Reloaders............
Went out the door of the Paragon Firearms Training Center late last night. We covered the entire 9mm reloading process from tumbling the brass all the way through to seating the bullets and measuring cartridge overall length.
The final step will be when the New Grads go out and shoot their finished cartridges to check the final results. We expect they will now be able to approach their own reloading activities with confidence. We'll leave it up to the New Grads to provide their impressions here on the Forum, should they wish to do so.
Very Special Expressions of Thanks Go Out to Three Active, Involved NFOA Forum Members:
Unfy: His Steady, Solid, Excellent technical assistance is a strong asset to the Reloading Clinic.
Altheman2: He voluntarily made a very valuable contribution to the Reloading Clinic program and drove in a considerable distance from outside Omaha to do so.
Neeco: He donated some very scarce 9mm brass to the effort, which we used last night all through the demonstrations.
My thanks go out to all three of these Reloading Clinic Boosters. They make it work.
Now----on to organizing the .40S&W Reloading Clinic to be held on February 25 at the Paragon Firearms Training Center. [Separate post.]
Thanks again to unfy, Altheman2, and Neeco.
sfg
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It was my pleasure.
I also feel the need to say, I am in no way responsible for anything that happens from here on out. I will NOT take responsibility for the decrease in reserve cash, the lightening of your wallet/checkbook, or the look on your SO's face after a trip to Cabelas/GU/Scheels (for the third time this week). You must understand that this is a curse, and now that it has you, you are fully engulfed for the foreseeable future.
Most importantly, Have fun and be safe. DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. Better to redo something than lose that booger picker or worse...
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Thank you very much for the awesome class. I've been a little nervous getting started at this, but now that I've seen the process in person, and been schooled on the dangers, all concerns have been removed. Training was hands on, informative, and very professional.
I recommend anyone considering reloading to take one of these classes, especially like me if you don't know anyone that can give you then a demo.
Unfortunately at this time it's a PITA to get started, but it'll happen.
thanks again
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When leaving the house to purchase Reloading Supplies, I always tell my wife,
"Honey, I'm leaving now. I'm going down to the local bar to meet up with some Floozies......."
She says,
"OK with me. Just don't you go over to Cabelas or Guns Unlimited and buy a whole bunch more of that shooting stuff!!!!"
sfg
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Hey guys, just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the class. It was informative and I feel like I got a lot from it. Really looking forward to the rifle reloading class too! Absolutely worth my time and the little bit of cash asked for. Thanks again! Ole
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Thank you both very much for your time, knowledge and patience.
All my questions and concerns were addressed and my confidence boosted towards my new endeavor.
I know at one point a rifle cartridge clinic was discussed tentatively for March 4th 2013.
If that is the case I have arranged to be available on that evening and would like to be considered confirmed if such a clinic were to take place.
Thank you again
Joel
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Joel.........
I just posted the .223 Metallic Rifle Cartridge Clinic for 4Mar13.
You have been added to the list.
Lookin' forward to it.
sfg
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I wish I would have seen this earlier. I would have loved to take this class.
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khawes:
That particular reloading clinic will not be the last such clinic that unfy and I ever hold.
Now......If you could scoop up a coupla more attendees to save us the marketing effort, since we've both got Other Stuff going on, we could probably be persuaded to schedule one sooooooner rather than later.
Unfy and I like this stuff so much, when there are quiet times, we teach it to
Each Other. And.....He's Rather Good at It.
sfg
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Unfy and I like this stuff so much, when there are quiet times, we teach it to
Each Other. And.....He's Rather Good at It.
And I've learned from SFG and picked up a few tricks as well.
Love the machinist's square from Menards for less than $4. That thing is so frickin' handy for a variety of things.