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General Categories => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: JTH on March 05, 2013, 12:16:30 PM
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The first ENPS Multigun match of the year is coming up in a couple of weeks---and I know some of you want to have plenty of time to scrounge some ammo and make sure your dots are all sighted in!
March 17th, ENGC, registration starts at 7:15am, registration CLOSES at 8:40am (hey, I got the time right this time!) and the shooter's meeting starts at 9am, with shooting occurring shortly thereafter.
4 stages, with a combination of pistol, rifle, and shotgun. Make sure you can carry plenty of ammo---don't know the stages yet, but I'm sure there will be a lot of shooting!
USPSA has just come out with a full set of Multigun rules, and we will be following them.
Rules: http://uspsa.org/RifleShotgunMultigun%20Rules%201-1-2013final.pdf (http://uspsa.org/RifleShotgunMultigun%20Rules%201-1-2013final.pdf)
Some things that are new this year (and hopefully they'll quit changing things on us!)
1) "Limited" division used to mean "iron sights only" --- NOW, however, you can have an unmagnified dot on your rifle if you wish.
2) Flying clays MAY be denoted (on the stage briefing) as disappearing targets. If they are, you do not have to shoot at them, and you won't get any miss or failure to engage penalties for doing so. (If you do shoot at and hit them, you get time taken off your run.) HOWEVER, if they aren't listed as disappearing targets, then you MUST shoot at them (and hit them) to not receive penalties. So, read the stage briefing carefully.
3) Unless otherwise listed in the stage briefing, the official ready positions are listed in the rulebook (just like in USPSA pistol). Make sure you know them!
4) Empty chamber indicators are now required. If you don't have any and are too cheap to buy some, an orange plastic wire tie with a flag on it sticking out of the (locked open) chamber is an acceptable empty chamber indicator.
5) No shotgun shells with shot larger than #7. Basic target loads only. (No steel, tungsten, etc.) This is an ENGC range safety rule, and as it is a safety rule, breaking it will result in a match disqualification---so, basic target loads (like the Walmart bulk packs) only.
Multigun is a good time, folks. C'mon out and shoot!
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use weedwhacker trimmer string in a knot for the chamber flags. also there are 4x4 shotshell caddys at cabelas so no excuses
are chamber flags for all 3 types of firearm? or just rifle/shotgun?
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use weedwhacker trimmer string in a knot for the chamber flags. also there are 4x4 shotshell caddys at cabelas so no excuses
are chamber flags for all 3 types of firearm? or just rifle/shotgun?
Just rifle/shotgun. Pistol should be in a holster.
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Any idea what we'll be looking at for a round count?
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Any idea what we'll be looking at for a round count?
See: http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,8293.msg58874.html#msg58874 (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,8293.msg58874.html#msg58874)
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Are the empty chamber indicators a ENGC rule or a three gun rule, because I've shot SASS matches at ENGC and never heard of such a stupid rule... We need to get the lawyers out of our shooting sports...
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Are the empty chamber indicators a ENGC rule or a three gun rule, because I've shot SASS matches at ENGC and never heard of such a stupid rule... We need to get the lawyers out of our shooting sports...
That is a national USPSA rule.
Considering that previous rules had you wander around with empty chambers and actions open, placing a $1.00 piece of visibly-obvious plastic (that makes it obvious that it is a cleared weapon) into it isn't really supposed to actually be a serious problem.
(I note that several other sports require their use, too. For example, all NRA and CMP sanctioned matches require the use of devices to indicate when a firearm is not ready to fire. This isn't a new thing to the shooting sports.)
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All matches at the Izaak Walton League in Lincoln require empty chamber indicators.
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See you all at the match tomorrow!
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I was going through round counts for each firearms in my head, I don't have an exact number but I wanna say it was around 50 for rifle and pistol each and around 30 for shotgun (birdshot only) no slugs today.
anyone have an exact number? am I crazy? did we actually shoot more than I think?
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I was going through round counts for each firearms in my head, I don't have an exact number but I wanna say it was around 50 for rifle and pistol each and around 30 for shotgun (birdshot only) no slugs today.
anyone have an exact number? am I crazy? did we actually shoot more than I think?
Official Round Count:
Pistol: 30 (24 on bay 7, only 6 on 100-yard)
Shotgun: 24 (12 on bay 5, 12 on bay 6)
Rifle: 22 (12 on 100-yard, 20 on bay 5)
Actual shots taken: LOTS MORE for most people. :)
Good to see all 44 shooters out there today!
Match results are up:
http://www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com/2013/2013.htm (http://www.easternnebraskapracticalshooters.com/2013/2013.htm)
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I really stunk it up today. There were a few major mental mistakes that really cost me. As always it was still a bunch of fun, though.
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I need to figure out what's up with my mossberg500. The shells were getting caught on the mouth of the chamber.
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We need to have all NFOA members wear nametags with their screen names and avatars so I can figure out who's who at these events. ;D
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There was an error on one person's score, so the scores have been re-calculated, and sent to Terry to put on the website. When he has a chance, he'll post them.
Apparently, some scorer hit the checkbox for "stage not fired" on one poor shooter's run, which added an extra 500 seconds to his time. Unsurprisingly, this rather lowered him in the standings.
It's been fixed, and when Terry has a chance, he'll update the ENPS website. Limited division is the only one that'll see a change.
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There was an error on one person's score, so the scores have been re-calculated, and sent to Terry to put on the website. When he has a chance, he'll post them.
Apparently, some scorer hit the checkbox for "stage not fired" on one poor shooter's run, which added an extra 500 seconds to his time. Unsurprisingly, this rather lowered him in the standings.
It's been fixed, and when Terry has a chance, he'll update the ENPS website. Limited division is the only one that'll see a change.
Hey, we have to beat you somehow.
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I had lots of fun today.
Time to start looking for a shotgun and practice everything
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Hey, we have to beat you somehow.
Oh, it wasn't me. My ammo killed me all by itself in bay 5---nobody had to add anything at all to make that stage ridiculously bad for me.
[sigh] Before that last stage of the day, I was actually 25 points up on Betsworth. So much for that!
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Oh, it wasn't me. My ammo killed me all by itself in bay 5---nobody had to add anything at all to make that stage ridiculously bad for me.
[sigh] Before that last stage of the day, I was actually 25 points up on Betsworth. So much for that!
The goofy part is that stage 5 was super simple...yet it still got us all. Many of us all became no-shoot slayers.
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how high of a hold do you guys use for rifle in that close. I stayed after the match and tried to find my poi/poa for up close 1-7 yd range. prior to the match I assumed a little under 3" would be ok but during verification it was around 4" @ 5 yds. my optic is zerod at 100.
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At that range, with my rifle if I aim at the top of the IPSC head I'll pretty much hit in the middle of the A zone. Unfortunately I was stupid and aimed at the middle of the A zone, even though I knew better, and just clipped the no-shoot.
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how high of a hold do you guys use for rifle in that close. I stayed after the match and tried to find my poi/poa for up close 1-7 yd range. prior to the match I assumed a little under 3" would be ok but during verification it was around 4" @ 5 yds. my optic is zerod at 100.
For the Multigun we shoot, I already know the longest shot isn't going to be over 125 yards (and that is only if we shoot diagonally across the 100-yard bay, so mostly it is just 100 yards), with most of the targets going to be from 5 to 40 yards. As such---I simply put my optic dead-on at 25 yards.
I'm using a Burris TAC30 (and I love it for our matches) and the reticle looks like this:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8522/8579247092_4a50afe6be.jpg)
As such, at the 1x power from about 15 yards to 35 yards the center of the middle dot is right on, and at 50 yards the top of the middle dot is right on. So for anything from 10 to 50. I just put the dot on it and I'm happy.
From 3-5 yards the second dot down from the middle is right on. :)
At 100 yards, at 4x, I put the center of the "T" (above the middle dot) in the center of the target, and it hits. When I was checking my scope last September to make sure I hadn't shifted the zero when I bashed it around, I did this:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8507/8579247164_2ff08b0e62_c.jpg)
3x5 card, 5 shots at 100 yards, 4x red dot scope, only using the mag as a monopod, rapid fire. (That's multigun rapid, not bullseye rapid). Professional shooters would laugh, but I'm perfectly happy with it.
So---your mileage may vary. Since I only use this rifle for our Multigun (and it would work exactly the same for home defense, if I needed it in that capacity), that 25-yard zero works really well.
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I really would like one of those TAC 30's. I was very impressed when I looked through yours a while back. It's a lot of scope for the money.
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I know that you're all dieing to know what was wrong with my Mossberg 500. It was failing to elevate the shell high enough when feeding. The main cause - the nut that holds the pump on was extremely loose. I also completely broke it down and cleaned/lubed everything.
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as much as 930s are ragged on the ones ppl use at our matches have been running great
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as much as 930s are ragged on the ones ppl use at our matches have been running great
Once mine got broken in it has run almost flawlessly. It eats everything from 3" magnum slugs to light 2 3/4" trap loads without a hiccup. The only problem I've had after the first 100 rounds was a single stovepipe, but that was after it had been sitting in the rain all day long. I'm guessing having all the lube washed out of it didn't help.
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I don't lube my gas piston anymore, just keep it clean.it wouldn't cycle superlight shotshells. i felt like the lube would just cake the carbon. my piston is chromed though (JM model) so ymmv.
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I don't lube my gas piston anymore, just keep it clean.it wouldn't cycle superlight shotshells. i felt like the lube would just cake the carbon. my piston is chromed though (JM model) so ymmv.
Whoa, people clean shotguns? Huh. What an idea. You mean I can't just stuff it back in the case after I shoot a match, and not touch it again until the next match?
Because that's what I've been doing for quite awhile now....I cleaned it once about two months after I bought it after I went to the range and shot a couple of hundred shells on steel and flipped clay targets. Haven't cleaned it since. Hm. I should probably do that sometime.
It still feeds better than Sean's gun. :)
And Nick's too. :) (Buy yourself a Mossberg 930 JM Pro, Nick. Best don't-have-to-mess-with-it semi-auto 3-gun shotgun out there.)