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Title: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Mudinyeri on March 12, 2013, 08:35:45 AM
Just saw Mayor Suttle's first TV ad this morning.  Of all things, he's focused on an assault weapons ban: http://watchdog.org/74082/exclusive-suttle-ad-targets-assault-weapons-revisits-von-maur/ (http://watchdog.org/74082/exclusive-suttle-ad-targets-assault-weapons-revisits-von-maur/)

Suttle believes that an AWB would prevent a mass shooting from ever happening again.  ::)
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Rodney Moorhead on March 12, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
I don't see how any law would pass the state preemption.  It would be thrown out just like the Omaha MG ban.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: AAllen on March 12, 2013, 08:44:07 AM
Lamont we do not have a state premption in Nebraska.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: bullit on March 12, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
Preaching to the choir moment......One thing this boils down to time and again is semantics..... "assault weapon".  Even when the NRA, et al. address this moniker, they (NFOA?) define it as a machine gun i.e. M4, etc.  In MY opinion, even this is wrong and should be challenged.  "Assault weapon" can be a VERY broad definition.  We gun owners hear it all of the time and even use our own comparisons....cars, bottles, knives, hammers, bare hands, etc.  Yet, we still allow the moonbats to argue with their made up definition of guns.  Yes, I am well aware of the history of the term "assault weapon". 
Breaking down the dictionary definitions of both "assault" and "weapon" have NOTHING to do with machine guns or firearms in context  to how the anti 2A folks are using them..  ANYTHING can be used a a weapon and assault with such can be prosecuted as such.  Personally, I don't let the term play a role in my conversations, nor do I fall into the "modern sporting rifle" terminology.  The conversation for me ends when they bring to it made up words/definitions.    My rant for the day... and for what its worth Omaha is a lost cause no matter who the Mayor is .....
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Husker_Fan on March 12, 2013, 09:25:51 AM
Another reason to have a CHP.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Lorimor on March 12, 2013, 10:06:03 AM
Why do these guys want the bad guys better armed than the good guys?
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: lightem up on March 12, 2013, 10:16:33 AM
Yeah I saw it to, "pretty disappointing" I agree I don't see it going anywhere here either, we are a pro gun state, we are red in politics and sports.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: tscgg13 on March 12, 2013, 10:22:45 AM
Saw that this morning.

What a freaking tool.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: lightem up on March 12, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
The ar-15 is not an assault weapon it is a defensive weapon please quote me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Bucket on March 12, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
The ar-15 is not an assault weapon it is a defensive weapon please quote me if I'm wrong.
It's black and looks scary.  Many of them have pistol grips and collapsible stocks which make them exceedingly dangerous.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: FarmerRick on March 12, 2013, 12:10:30 PM
Don't forget, Ashford introduced an "assault weapon ban" in the Unicam back in 2008.  (NRA testified neutral in the hearing, btw).
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: GreyGeek on March 12, 2013, 12:30:30 PM
The ar-15 is not an assault weapon it is a defensive weapon please quote me if I'm wrong.

You are not wrong.  The June 7th 2012 DHS requisition order for 2,700 AR-15s was titled "Personal Defense Weapons"
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=1be5e1d8f3fda9b850cc3ba58393bcd3&tab=core&_cview=1 (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=1be5e1d8f3fda9b850cc3ba58393bcd3&tab=core&_cview=1)
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Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation
Solicitation Number: HSCEMS-12-R-00011
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Immigration & Customs Enforcement
Location: ICE-OAQ-MS
...
This announcement is being placed in accordance with the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) paragraph 5.207.  It is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items.  5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense.  This announcement constitutes the only solicitation and proposals are being requested.  See attachments for complete details.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: 00BUCK on March 12, 2013, 01:22:50 PM
(NRA testified neutral in the hearing, btw).

And yet so many people think the NRA is 100% behind us.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: jengel2000 on March 12, 2013, 03:01:02 PM
You already cannot purchase a handgun in Omaha without registering with the police first thanks to Suttle in his eagerness to please Bloomberg. This makes it prohibitive for out of towners to shop for handguns in Omaha. Thank God Cabela's had the good sense to build in Papillion.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: bullit on March 12, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
You already cannot purchase a handgun in Omaha without registering with the police first thanks to Suttle in his eagerness to please Bloomberg.

This Omaha ordinance was in place long before Suttle became Mayor and if you have a NE CHP you do NOT have to go through the hassle of going to OPD and registering your purchase first.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Husker_Fan on March 12, 2013, 05:10:46 PM
It's not like Stothert has tried to repeal registration while on the city council. On this issue, I don't think there is much difference between any of them.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: HuskerXDM on March 12, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
The ar-15 is not an assault weapon it is a defensive weapon please quote me if I'm wrong.

It doesn't matter that you are right. What matters is the misinformation works on the sheeple.  Every time some says "assault weapon" to me I politely ask which militaries in the world use an AR?  Never have had an answer yet.  The problem is these jokers get TV time and we don't. 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Chris C on March 12, 2013, 06:58:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/MayorSuttle?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/MayorSuttle?fref=ts)  For those of you who are on there voice your opinions. 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Bucket on March 12, 2013, 07:16:16 PM
It doesn't matter that you are right. What matters is the misinformation works on the sheeple.  Every time some says "assault weapon" to me I politely ask which militaries in the world use an AR?  Never have had an answer yet.  The problem is these jokers get TV time and we don't. 
This is exactly right.  Truth is almost irrelevant to the issue of "assault weapons."  We had dinner a few weeks ago with some friends.  They are very conservative politically, but are not gun owners.  When we got on the subject of gun control, the wife quite sincerely argued that there was no reason why anyone should have weapons "with that sort of firepower."  She automatically assumed that the weapons the politicians were looking to ban were the same arms used by the military.  (I figured I wouldn't tread on that ground just yet).  You should have seen the confusion on her face when I explained how the weapons being discussed are functionally no different than any other semi-automatic rifle out there today and are in fact less powerful than most of the hunting rifles used every day to hunt deer and elk. 

These people weren't anti-gun, and certainly were very conservative when it comes to issues like individual liberty and freedom.  They were merely ignorant of what the actual issues were.  I'm not sure I brought them around, but I sure made them consider what it was they were hearing.  From the standpoint of a non-gun owner who hasn't thought or learned much about the second amendment, I can see how the propaganda out there can sway your opinion.  If you merely accept the notion that "assault weapons" are more inherently more lethal and promote crime then gun owners do start to look like crazed lunatics when we argue against it.

Beyond supporting organizations like the NRA and NFOA, I don't claim to have a solution, but it was a pretty stark example of what we overcome and how strong the anti-gun message is winning over those who don't necessarily have an interest in the issue. 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: abbafandr on March 12, 2013, 07:37:08 PM
Maybe it's time for a new mayor.  Maybe we can elect one  who ban automobiles since so many people are getting killed and injured by them. :laugh:
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: huskergun on March 12, 2013, 08:22:54 PM
Let's focus on making this his end.... No complaining about the NRA or other things. We have to focus... Jean Stothert is the only person running for Mayor who has told me personally that she would like to see the registration go away and an end of the tie between Mayor Bloomberg and Omaha. We have to send a message NOW.. ! ! ! Youmake your choice ... Mine is to defeat Suttle in the primary.... I don't even want to see him in the General election... Lets make this happen.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: kozball on March 12, 2013, 08:36:40 PM
Mayor Suttle was on KFAB about 5:20 this PM with Chris .............

Didn't hear the whole thing, but what I heard was typical fool drool.

Maybe there is a recording of the program.

You in Omaha had better get organized.  >:D
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Mudnrox on March 12, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
I heard him in the afternoon too.
When asked how this would help the violence and criminal problem, he said he wasn't going to get into the "details" they would be figured out later.

He also said that "everyone" he spoke with was concerned about the guns.

He was also spouting off on how great Biden is, and we all know his recommendations for self-defense.

I think Suttle hit all the talking points without actually answering any direct questions on how it would help
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: unfy on March 12, 2013, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: TheArticle
Suttle’s four main opponents—independent Brad Ashford and Republicans Dave Nabity, Jean Stothert and Dan Welch

Looking at the websites and such for all of these folks, I don't like any of them.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: RedDot on March 12, 2013, 09:36:52 PM
I heard him on the radio..almost sounded like he wasn't sure what he was trying to ban. A more honest response would have been "I really don't know anything about it at all, but when Bloomberg's cutting checks I just smile and bob my head."  I just pray Suttle never sees a rerun of The Rifleman. What Chuck Connors does with that lever action during the intro would make him wet himself and have OPD confiscating Winchesters.  ;)
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Dan W on March 12, 2013, 10:41:13 PM
What Chuck Connors does with that lever action during the intro would make him wet himself


I  LOL'd
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Mudinyeri on March 13, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
Looking at the websites and such for all of these folks, I don't like any of them.  Sigh.

Unfortunately, for the most part politics is like television ... we accept the least objectionable and the mediocre because there is nothing better.  In the case of Omaha mayoral candidates, the law-abiding gun-owners of Omaha better find a candidate that they can support or they'll end up living like the residents of Chicago, NYC and D.C.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: 45bthompson on March 13, 2013, 11:48:14 AM
I live in Omaha. I agree we need to get organized. I'm standing behind Jean Stothert. I heard on the radio this morning that Tomorrow there is an informal candidate sitdown at Anthonys steak house at 6:00pm. From what I understand it will be a q&a with all the candidates. This sounds like a great opportunity to let them know what steers our votes. However A quick google search could not confirm the details. If someone else would like to chime in on this to confirm I sure would appreciate it. Lets make sure Jim Suttle regrets his anti constitutional agenda!
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: skydve76 on March 13, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
Dear Mr Suttle,

We live in Nebraska.  You and I are both Nebraskans.  We are both rednecks, from a redneck state.  Quit acting like you have some sort of stature you dont.  Start acting like a Nebraskan, the peope you work for.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: FarmerRick on March 13, 2013, 04:32:07 PM
Suttle had a little interview with Joe Jordan today...   :o

Suttle Gun Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5r3HlNuxV0#)
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: NENick on March 13, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
Does anyone have the odds for this getting through in Omaha?
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: sparky on March 13, 2013, 04:56:24 PM
It was very obvious watching that video that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.  He is a joke and has to go....
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: BlackFlagCSO on March 13, 2013, 06:02:03 PM
I would really appreciate if we could come up with some ideas for a REAL Call to Action in Omaha, to ensure that Suttle will not be re-elected.

This isn't Colorado, Conneticut, New York, Illinois.....
The gun control fight has just been brought to our FRONT DOOR. The largest city in Nebraska has a Real threat.

We have to rally the freedom lovers of Omaha to Stand up on April 2nd and vote.

We NFOA members of all Nebraskans have no excuse not to do everything in our ability to act. We must hold eachother accountable. You can make excuses for why you can't and explain to your children later on why you failed to act. Or you can pull your pants up and help end Suttle's career. If this isn't tyranny, I don't know what is.

Unless your ok with being limited to revolvers and 16oz sodas by your governement. It is time to take a Serious Stand.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

WHAT: Individual right to keep and bear arms
WHY: Security of a FREE State
BY WHAT MEANS: A well regualte militia

What would todays militia carry?
What does the Military's standard rifleman carry?

Remember it says "keep and bear arms", not
arms and artillery.

Truth is we are under armed.


Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 13, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
Let's focus on making this his end.... No complaining about the NRA or other things. We have to focus... Jean Stothert is the only person running for Mayor who has told me personally that she would like to see the registration go away and an end of the tie between Mayor Bloomberg and Omaha. We have to send a message NOW.. ! ! ! Youmake your choice ... Mine is to defeat Suttle in the primary.... I don't even want to see him in the General election... Lets make this happen.


I just want to throw in that Dave Nabity is very Pro 2A as well.  I haven't specifically asked him about the Omaha gun registration, but I will the next time I see him.
I also agree it would be great to knock Suttle out in the primary.  However, I think the only way he gets knocked out is for Ashford to take away a good chunk of his base.  I'm just not sure he can do that. :-/
So, IMHO it's going to be either Suttle/Ashford going up against either Stothert/Nabity. 

Full disclosure: As a personal friend, I'm a big Nabity supporter so make sure everyone gives him a good look.  ;-)
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: GreyGeek on March 13, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
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I am offering leadership, I am offering common sense

uh, huh.

Is it common sense to mislabel object for political purposes? In the same spirit let's call a Bowie knife a  sword.  After all, they look alike.  As far as leadership is concerned, you are leading us away from the Constitutional Rule of Law which will have no end and your example will be used to justify the actions of those with an agenda to replace the Constitution with a Socialist dictatorship.

You are also violating the oath of office you took to become mayor.
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11-101. Oath of office; officers of state and political subdivisions, except constitutional officers; form; endorsement on bonds; filing.
All state, district, county, precinct, township, municipal, and especially appointed officers, except those mentioned in Article XV, section 1, of the Constitution of the State of Nebraska, shall, before entering upon their respective duties, take and subscribe the following oath, which shall be endorsed upon their respective bonds:

I, ......................, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Nebraska, against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely and without mental reservation or for purpose of evasion; and that I will faithfully and impartially perform the duties of the office of ........................, according to law, and to the best of my ability. And I do further swear that I do not advocate, nor am I a member of any political party or organization that advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States or of this state by force or violence; and that during such time as I am in this position I will not advocate nor become a member of any political party or organization that advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States or of this state by force or violence. So help me God.

So, you made a false statement. You either  had mental reservations or you purposely evaded your oath, or both,  when you decided to propose infringing that which "shall not be infringed".    That makes you guilty of a Class IV felony:
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11-101.02. Oath of office; false statement; penalty.
If any false statement is made in taking either of the oaths prescribed in sections 11-101 and 11-101.01, the person making such false statement shall be deemed guilty of a Class IV felony. No person convicted of perjury in taking the oath as prescribed in either section 11-101 or 11-101.01, shall hold any nonelective position, job, or office for the State of Nebraska, or any political subdivision thereof, where the remuneration of such position, job, or office is paid in whole or in part by public money or funds of the State of Nebraska, or of any political subdivision thereof.

The only question  I have is why the appropriate authorities haven't taken action to remove him from office, and all other elected representatives who  have also violated their oath  of office.   If they will infringe that which shall not be infringed, the 2nd Amendment, when will we learn that they have other infringements in mind, and will use the infringements of the 2A  as a justifying precedent?
 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: FarmerRick on March 13, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
I just want to throw in that Dave Nabity is very Pro 2A as well.  I haven't specifically asked him about the Omaha gun registration, but I will the next time I see him.
I also agree it would be great to knock Suttle out in the primary.  However, I think the only way he gets knocked out is for Ashford to take away a good chunk of his base.  I'm just not sure he can do that. :-/
So, IMHO it's going to be either Suttle/Ashford going up against either Stothert/Nabity. 

Full disclosure: As a personal friend, I'm a big Nabity supporter so make sure everyone gives him a good look.  ;-)

Since you have better access than most of us, you may want to ask him what his reasons are to be in support of OPD's "gun amnesty" program.  I have NEVER seen any proof that it reduces crime.

Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 13, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
Since you have better access than most of us, you may want to ask him what his reasons are to be in support of OPD's "gun amnesty" program.  I have NEVER seen any proof that it reduces crime.



I'll ask him.  I also agree that the buyback programs are stupid.
 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 14, 2013, 06:42:30 PM
Since you have better access than most of us, you may want to ask him what his reasons are to be in support of OPD's "gun amnesty" program.  I have NEVER seen any proof that it reduces crime.



I haven't heard back from Dave yet on this question, but I am also curious on all the candidates.  I know all of them (except Suttle) are out there as pro 2A today, but I'm curious to the histories on all the candidates.

I'm obviously a Nabity supporter, but I'm curious as to the others stances.  Not today, but over time.

I know I've heard about Stothert supporting gun control in the past, but of course can't find any official records of it.  I haven't really seen or heard anything either way on Welch.

**Edit**
Ha, it helps if I read my facebook first.  I think Dave pretty much summed his position up today on Facebook.

In answer to the many emails and phone calls, friends, I am a supporter and believer in our 2nd Amendment freedoms. I am a member of the Gun Owners Association of American and National Rifle Association. My stance has always been this and I encourage our gun owners to make sure the candidates they support are consistent in their beliefs, not just when it is politcally convenient.

Then somebody asked essentially your same question in the comments and he responded:

Rick Mangold what are your reasons for supporting the OPD gun amnesty program?
5 hours ago via mobile · Like
David Nabity This program is only a feel-good, bandaid approach. Are we going to truly fix the crime program or nibble around the edges with programs like gun amnesty?
4 hours ago · Unlike · 3

Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Dan W on March 14, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Gosh, Dave's a member of the Gun Owners Association of America.   :-[
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 14, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
Gosh, Dave's a member of the Gun Owners Association of America.   :-[

I heard that too.  Well Nebraska is part of America so I think that counts.  :)

Welch pretty much answered my questions in the debate.  He wants more gun control laws, end of discussion.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: FarmerRick on March 14, 2013, 08:25:48 PM
My problem with his response is he didn't answer the question...  ::)  He has stated before that he IS in favor of the amnesty program.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Dan W on March 14, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
Hey Dave, it's  "Gun Owners of America" -  try and get it right next time, OK?  And maybe you could join NFOA? 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 14, 2013, 08:44:47 PM
My problem with his response is he didn't answer the question...  ::)  He has stated before that he IS in favor of the amnesty program.

Yeah, it's certainly a valid question to ask.  I haven't had a chance to talk to him yet to get the inside skinny.
If you throw the question towards Jean about supporting the banning of additional weapons in Omaha, I suspect you'd get a similar response.

I do think the debate tonight has narrowed the choices more.  Dave and Jean are the only ones at least saying the right things.  Suttle, Ashford, and now Welch are out in the weeds IMHO in regards to the 2A.

I don't dislike Jean, but obviously I'm going to pull for my friend Dave.  I also know first hand that he's very Pro 2A, so that makes it a lot easier for me.  :)

My personal thoughts on the gun buyback is that they're stupid, but if they're not spending tax dollars and not forcing anyone to turn guns in I don't have a huge issue with them.  They're stupid and most certainly do nothing for crime, but they don't infringe on my 2A rights.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 14, 2013, 08:46:34 PM
Hey Dave, it's  "Gun Owners of America" -  try and get it right next time, OK?  And maybe you could join NFOA? 

I'll make the recommendation.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: RedDot on March 14, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
I had thought it started with Stothert coming out as pro-gun, pro-2A. Now seems like others are jumping up with a quick "me too!" after seeing public reaction. Time will tell the truth hopefully.

As for Nabity's quote on gun amnesty, if it's just a feel-good measure that will have no effect then why throw your support (and potentially my tax dollars) behind it?  Asserting a platform of ineffective governance doesn't impress me much.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: XDHusker on March 14, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
I had thought it started with Stothert coming out as pro-gun, pro-2A. Now seems like others are jumping up with a quick "me too!" after seeing public reaction. Time will tell the truth hopefully.

As for Nabity's quote on gun amnesty, if it's just a feel-good measure that will have no effect then why throw your support (and potentially my tax dollars) behind it?  Asserting a platform of ineffective governance doesn't impress me much.

The cool part is we all get to decide who we vote for based on many issues. 
I'm supporting Dave for a lot of reasons, but I also feel his stance on the 2A both publicly and privately is the strongest in the group. I'll happily take Dave saying a statement about gun amnesty in the past (assuming he did) than candidates who currently say they want more gun control in Omaha (Suttle, Welch, Ashford) or one that said she wanted more gun control in the past (Stothert).
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Lorimor on March 15, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
Would Iowa be pissed if somehow the Muddy Mo got diverted down 480/680/80?  Wouldn't the loss of Omaha's politicians make Nebraska a much better place to live? 
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: GunFun on March 22, 2013, 11:22:56 PM
I would really appreciate if we could come up with some ideas for a REAL Call to Action in Omaha, to ensure that Suttle will not be re-elected.
Law-abiding citizens all over the world would appreciate these two-faced politician types being imprisoned for lying to the people they are supposed to "govern".

Wasn't Jim Suttle required to take an Oath of Office?

"I, _____, solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of Nebraska, and the Charter of the City of Omaha and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of  mayor of the City of Omaha to the best of my ability. "

I didn't see him swear to personally it but I would LOVE to get a link to the video, if anyone has one.

I think these gun grabbing idiots that break their oaths need to serve no less than their elected term in Federal prison for breaking their Oath of Office.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: just_me_mongo on March 23, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
At GunFun:

I couldn't agree more!  Its time to start charging, prosecuting, & punishing these politicians.

Crimes:

Lying after swearing an Oath,  Attempts to dismantle the Constitution, Attempts to dismantle the Bill of rights, Treason, & put him on the Mendacious Persons list. 

They should also be put on a criminal-political registry & banned from ever working in any govt., local, or municipal position again.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Dan W on March 23, 2013, 12:51:16 PM
 Headline:


ASSAULT WEAPON OWNERS LOOK TO BAN MAYOR SUTTLE
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Wymore Wrangler on March 23, 2013, 04:18:35 PM
Hey everybody, lets use the official Obama government term for our rifles, they are "personal defense rifles" not "assault" rifles...
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: abbafandr on March 23, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
Headline:


ASSAULT WEAPON OWNERS LOOK TO BAN MAYOR SUTTLE


Love it  :kiss:
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: depserv on March 27, 2013, 10:57:00 AM
How do these guys get elected?  I live in Lincoln, and the mayor here, Beutler, almost makes Feinstein look like a patriot by comparison.  I don't think a high proportion of voters vote in local elections.  We should look into playing a more active role in them.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: depserv on March 27, 2013, 11:02:44 AM
The term assault weapon is a slogan and a lie.  An accurate term for what anti-gun bigots are trying to outlaw using that slogan is 20th Century arms.  This is because self feeding characterizes 20th Century firearms designs, and it is their status as arms that is under attack.  If the attack is successful (which is very unlikely), commoners like us will only be allowed to have pre-20th Century designs: bolt, lever, and pump action, revolvers, single shot, and of course the famous Joe Biden double barrel. 

The enemy of freedom uses slogans as powerful weapons of political war.  We should counter this weapon with the truth.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: just_me_mongo on March 27, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
At depserv:

You are absolutely right.  "Assault weapon" is nothing more than a term used for propaganda.

I prefer the term "modern rifle."

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Our domestic enemies will continue to use lies - I will use the truth.

Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: ILoveCats on March 27, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Two things:

I thought, historically, the term “assault rifle” was a correct term to distinguish from the prior generation of “battle rifles”.  I thought battle rifles like the M1 and M1A were generally longer, heavier and more powerful, and they still actively fill a tactical niche today.  Weren't assault rifles designed to keep up with the (Commie) Jones’s AK-47 and provide a lighter, shorter, lower-power select-fire rifle for up-close skirmishes and assaults?  I can’t provide a citation right now but thought I’d seen that on History Channel, etc.  I might certainly be wrong, and please correct me if I am.

The main point is: yeah, the anti-gun folks commandeered and misconstrued the term when applied to semi-auto-only rifles and, frankly speaking, did so rather effectively.  The NRA is better at marketing and branding than the Brady Bunch 99% of the time, but the BB beat the NRA to the punch in attaching the moniker assault rifle to civilian, non-select-fire rifles.  I’m afraid talking ‘till one is blue in the face about the historical inaccuracy of the term “assault weapons” as pertains to civilian guns is a fruitless endeavor.  It's a fine academic discussion but, politically speaking, that ship has sailed.

There’s an old politics quote attributed to Ronald Reagan…  “If you’re explaining, you’re losing”.

To that end, here's my second point…  Is it just me, or are gun-rights groups missing out on an excellent opportunity to commandeer the (accurate) term "Personal Defense Weapon"? As posted here earlier, a federal contract request recently used the term PDW.  Now I don’t want to turn this into a discussion about whether select-fire rifles are needed for immigration raids, drug and other customs busts, busting up trafficking-in-persons smuggling rings, or anything else that might result in a firefight.  I am simply intrigued by the PDW term.

I actually think it’s a very accurate term, and gun rights groups have been handed a public image “branding” gift on a silver platter here.  PDW actually describes the attributes of AR-style rifles (select-fire or semi-auto only) appropriately; they are optimally suited for personal defense.  The fact that this is an officially-endorsed term adds to the credibility and bona fides of the PDW term.  If PDWs are suitable to provide “personal defense” to law enforcement from the baddies of the world, they are suitable to protect the rest of us from the baddies, too.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: depserv on March 27, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
Personal Defense Weapon sounds too much like a euphemism, and it's technically incorrect, since any weapon might be used for personal or community defense, including a revolver or the Biden double barrel; it doesn't refer to a more or less specific type, but to weapons in general.  Even a knife could be a personal defense weapon.  The terms 20th Century arms or modern arms are accurate and descriptive, and can not be called euphemisms even by the most heavily indoctrinated liberal sheep, but they still counter the assault weapon lie..
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: depserv on March 27, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
At depserv:

You are absolutely right.  "Assault weapon" is nothing more than a term used for propaganda.

I prefer the term "modern rifle."

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Our domestic enemies will continue to use lies - I will use the truth.

Your term is as good as mine, and probably less cumbersome.  Either one will counter the lie without looking like a euphemism.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: NENick on March 27, 2013, 01:58:32 PM
I believe Hitler's engineers designed the first assault rifle under the guise that it was another sub machine gun. Hitler liked it so much that he christened it the Stermgewehr 44 (assault rifle).
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: NENick on March 27, 2013, 02:01:31 PM
Personal Defense Weapon sounds too much like a euphemism, and it's technically incorrect, since any weapon might be used for personal or community defense, including a revolver or the Biden double barrel; it doesn't refer to a more or less specific type, but to weapons in general.  Even a knife could be a personal defense weapon.  The terms 20th Century arms or modern arms are accurate and descriptive, and can not be called euphemisms even by the most heavily indoctrinated liberal sheep, but they still counter the assault weapon lie..
I like the idea of using PDW. As politicians have proven time and again, it doesn't really matter what the truth or definition is. Let's take it and use it to control the language for whatever purpose or reason we want.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: GreyGeek on March 27, 2013, 02:39:59 PM
The origin of the name "assault rife" is none other than Adolf Hitler!
From Wikipedia:
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The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", "storm" as in "military attack"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler as a new name for the Maschinenpistole 43, subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularize the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.

Military assault rifles have the ability to fire in either short bursts or continuously on  one pull  of the trigger until the magazine is exhausted.   Civilian rifles are based on the design of an assault rifle but which can  only fire one shot for each pull of the trigger are essentially sporting rifles.  A military  would never use them to assault a position defended by people who have assault rifles with automatic fire capability.

My experience with the AR-15s and similar assault  rifles carried by our Highway Patrol and swat teams is that  they have settings for single shot, 3 shots and continuous fire.  In one incident I investigated the swat team had their AR's on the 3 shot setting.   Continuous bursts can result in the waste of a lot of ammo if the rifle isn't held under tight control to minimize barrel climb on successive rounds.  Even then, expecting all the rounds to hit lethal zones on a man size target is expecting a lot.  It would take a LOT of practice and development of a particular set of muscles to achieve that kind of accuracy.
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: RedDot on March 27, 2013, 06:11:23 PM
I believe Hitler's engineers designed the first assault rifle under the guise that it was another sub machine gun. Hitler liked it so much that he christened it the Stermgewehr 44 (assault rifle).

Correct!  The Nazis applied the term to a select fire carbine the Sturmgewehr44.  Soooo...perhaps we could say that term would only be used by.... :o NAZIS!!! :o
Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Phantom on March 29, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
From the Jean Stothert for Mayor team
this is from an E-mail i sent her simply asking

What are your thoughts on Guns
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Jean is a strong supporter of our Second Amendment Rights and a member of the NRA. When Jim Suttle announced he intended to push an AWB Jean was a vocal opponent appearing on numerous TV and radio interviews.
 
I hope this answers your question. If you have any more, do not hesitate to forward them.

Rod Edwards
Jean Stothert for Mayor
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thats what I've got from her so far
I'm going to ask about gun registration now.

Answer:
She voted against it when the ordinance came before the council.
She is a member of the NRA and a strong supporter of our Second Amendment Rights.
 
Rod Edwards
Jean Stothert for Omaha

Title: Re: Mayor Suttle Looking to Ban "Assault Weapons"
Post by: Ronvandyn on March 29, 2013, 02:46:15 PM
I'd like to see him DEFINE what an "assault weapon" is before the election.  That would put a crimp in his chances real quick.  Thank god I dont live there!

Ron