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General Categories => Events => Topic started by: wusker on April 08, 2013, 03:26:13 PM
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So I had a blast going to the rally at the state capitol a few months back, but we havent really done anything since then. And I saw a youtube video the other day on a group of folks open carrying just to raise awareness in the community, I am not a big proponent of open carry as I would not want somone to knnow i was carrying but I do love the message/ideal. so anyways it gave me an idea. Now with the current anti-gun climate, and the proposed gun legislation for background checks which will only lead to more registration and eventually confiscation, NOW seems like the good time to organize an picnic or gathering of folks for coffee/ breakfast, or whatever that we as members can attend and hopefully bring continued education to the public through a show of responsible gun ownership.
So any ideas?
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is'nt nebraska an open carry state ???
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The issue with open carry, is it is OK as long as no one does it. The second someone starts walking down O street in Lincoln NE with a deer rifle over his shoulder, as a way of attracting attention, the gun folks go from looking one way, to looking like spooks. Not just the guy with the rifle on O street, we all look like spooks.
I am opposed to open carry, because it makes us look like we are at odds with law and order. It does not place us at odds with law and order, it just looks like it does.
I think Gun shows, like car shows, are a good place to open the hoods, and all come to one place to show what we have collected, and what we might like to trade back and forth, or sell. Just meeting in the park, with weapons over our shoulders, for no reason except the second amendment, to me, is not a good reason to congregate or assemble. Not at this time, or at this place in our history.
Yes, other cultures do show guns in more open exhibits of firearms, like Switzerland. That works for them.
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I am opposed to open carry, because it makes us look like we are at odds with law and order. It does not place us at odds with law and order, it just looks like it does.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. It is your perception and opinion. I open carry frequently, and have attended several open carry gatherings. The cold plain truth is that 99% of the people don't even notice, and if you don't look like a hood rat, the ones that do notice could really care less.
Most people who attend open carry gatherings don't have a deer rifle or evil black gun strapped to them - the largest percentage are carrying holstered handguns. But if someone wants to carry a rifle then by all means they should be able to.
I take 2A for how it was meant. I have the right to bear arms, not with the caveat that I must keep it concealed. If a few sheeple are offended by my carrying a weapon openly then so be it.
Just my $0.02
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Lets say, I have a library card, to come and go in public library's and check out books. Would I be better served by having my library card glued to the outside of my shirt, or should I just keep it in my pocket until I need it?
Why is it necessary to show others, by my displaying of my library card, I have the privilege of reading, is not the reading of the books, reward enough?
I have watched several open carry videos on you tube, and the ones I have seen, are an embarrassment to myself as a gun owner. The ones I have watched, show immaturity, and a desire to get arrested, and win large lawsuits against city governments with deep pockets.
The LA riots, that was a good time for open carry, where merchants were on rooftops guarding their stores from looters. In that instance, the open display of a gun placed a law and order feeling among potential looters.
In day to day comings and goings, around town, most grandmas don't need encouragement to restrain from looting, and participating in gang riots, Until that day comes, to a city near me, knowing the guns are close at hand, out of sight, is a good standard most always. Branshing a firearm is just not necessary 99.99999% of the time, and I would really not see them in my daily life cycle.
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Here is an open carry guy in wal mart making the check out persons day.
The thing about one persons personal rights, those rights should not trample on the personal rights of others. The fifty people that saw this guy in WM making a scene, all the while video taping the ordeal, what about their rights to shop without a guy introducing fear into their lives?
I picked a pretty mild video. You tube is littered with videos where an odd duck with a gun is looking for attention.
As a gun owner, I do not want branded as an odd duck, because of this wal mart nut, or a Sandy Hook nut. I see them as all infringing on my rights to keep my guns out of sight, and under control, not causing anyone undue fear, or disturbing the peace.
We could all loose our rights to keep and bear arms, if just a few of us, push for something we should have enough brains not to do.
Who would walk into a WM, in Virginia (DC area) and open carry, while video taping?
The instant the checker bailed, that was disturbing the peace and I would have arrested him. Trouble is, that is what this guy with a lawyers phone number wants. 10 million, 12 million? 60 million?
Walmart Cashier Freaks Out About Open Carry In Virginia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku3UjRr9YPQ#)
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Here is an open carry guy in wal mart making the check out persons day.
The thing about one persons personal rights, those rights should not trample on the personal rights of others. The fifty people that saw this guy in WM making a scene, all the while video taping the ordeal, what about their rights to shop without a guy introducing fear into their lives?
I picked a pretty mild video. You tube is littered with videos where an odd duck with a gun is looking for attention.
As a gun owner, I do not want branded as an odd duck, because of this wal mart nut, or a Sandy Hook nut. I see them as all infringing on my rights to keep my guns out of sight, and under control, not causing anyone undue fear, or disturbing the peace.
We could all loose our rights to keep and bear arms, if just a few of us, push for something we should have enough brains not to do.
Who would walk into a WM, in Virginia (DC area) and open carry, while video taping?
The instant the checker bailed, that was disturbing the peace and I would have arrested him. Trouble is, that is what this guy with a lawyers phone number wants. 10 million, 12 million? 60 million?
Walmart Cashier Freaks Out About Open Carry In Virginia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku3UjRr9YPQ#)
Ok so the problem I have with this - you are doing the same thing the democommies are doing. Using a few idiots to place a tag on ALL of us. Using a few retards to make your point isn't going to fly. Just in case I missed it, I went back to the OP and read it word for word, and as I had thought, not once was there mention of videotaping the suggest OC gathering.
If OC is not ok then 2A is damned near dead.
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Change through "in your face" education...
Open Carry can become the norm, just look to Arizona. But this will require OC days announced in advance and successfully carried out over and over again with no "accidents"...
An openly armed society is a polite and safe society. 8)
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If Second Ammendment supporters throw a get together, in a lawful way, in a park or somewhere, that would be better than a few of us, or one of us, making a scene by pushing our right on others, that would rather we not.
However, at gun rallies to seek support, gun lobby groups like NRA and GOA always stress, leave the guns home. I agree. I would also not concealed carry to a gun demenstration.
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by pushing our right on others,
ughhh nevermind.
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I look forward to hearing more of how we lowly civilians ought not exercize our God-given rights by BEARING arms...
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Oh God FarmeRick that made my day! I posted this hoping that others would see this as an idea and we could by a show of responsible ownership show other citizens their God given inalienable rights, while also showing we are not kooks or gun nuts.
Next thing I know the a tidal wave of emotion, and posts, and then farmerricks popcorn eating smiley face cracked me up, I needed that bro TY.
When I posted this idea I posted it with the knowledge that we do have differences, I would never open carry as a daily defensive setup for the fact that I dont want the bad people knowing I am carrying.
Now Gary, I LOVE youtube! I am an addict watching hours upon hours weekly sometimes nightly and agree that some open carry guys cause our struggle to maintain 2A rights even harder. For instance one video shows a kid ( we will call him dumbass). dumbass shows up to his girlfriend being pulled over by a cop after she calls dumbass. Now he engages in a casual verbal exchange with the female in the car all the while the cop is watching dumbass video tap it and carrying a gun at a vehicle he has pulled over, then when confronted dumbass leaves and expects no recourse.
Now i see this in two ways dumbass flexed his rights in the wrong way, doing it to get a reaction and yes he got one. Two if this was more common place; The practice of OC, then it would not have been an issue.
Remember I LOVE youtube right? Heres one for you that shows how I wish our rally back in Jan or Feb had gone. I wanted to OC but everyone else said "no it will make us look like kooks, its not wise, leave em' at home" and so I agreed but somewhat reluctantly.
2nd Amendment Rally at the State Capital Indianapolis, Indiana - Feb 8th (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1OTg8Bx3Yw#ws)
And the example was used of a library card, i got another one for you, I am a Christian and when my wife and I go out to eat we hold hands bow our head and give thanks. That is a right that is protected by the Constitution not afforded to me by it, some people stare at us and sometimes shake their heads, and occasionally people like my show of faith or beliefs and voice it, should I be concerned that it bothers some? My praying could in the same sense as OC could be viewed as disturbing the peace. My praying and beliefs are offensive to some so should I only pray at home, same place my gun is locked away?
Slowly but surely the common place worldview will change ours, If we believe in the constitution we must believe in it all.
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LOL Rick! That is PERFECT!
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And the example was used of a library card, i got another one for you, I am a Christian and when my wife and I go out to eat we hold hands bow our head and give thanks. That is a right that is protected by the Constitution not afforded to me by it, some people stare at us and sometimes shake their heads, and occasionally people like my show of faith or beliefs and voice it, should I be concerned that it bothers some? My praying could in the same sense as OC could be viewed as disturbing the peace. My praying and beliefs are offensive to some so should I only pray at home, same place my gun is locked away?
Slowly but surely the common place worldview will change ours, If we believe in the constitution we must believe in it all.
Well said Wusker, well said.
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Gunowners that beleive we should hide or guns???
May your chains rest lightly upon you.
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What does everyone think about hiring some off duty, uniformed officers to provide security/attend one of these 2A/Open Carry picnics? It could be a way of looping in law enforcement and start changing their perspective. If we get OPD to stop viewing an OCer as an armed gunman, it seems like much of the trouble with OCing would be resolved.
I’m not so much worried about freaking some people out, as I am getting shot/thrown in the slammer by OPD.
I could be wrong and they don't see OCing that way...
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When Ted Nugent speaks at gun rallies, would you rather he also have an AR15 over his shoulder, or do we attend such meetings, to hear what the leaders of the NRA have to say?
Should have Alex Jones went on CNN holding a gun, as well as being pissed?
I love gun shows, where guns are on display. For a gun rally where gun owners are on display, speak softly, and carry a big sign does a better job in my mind.
I pray the day never comes where I need to walk the streets, or my property line, for any reason, holding or wearing a gun out in the open. For me, tucked away is just fine.
When I was younger, I had a glass gun cabinet, to show them off in the room they were in. Maybe maturity makes me pull back, as now I only use gun safes.
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his guy pretty much sums up my thoughts on open carry.
Open Carry: My Humble Opinion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abjsU7ibvE#ws)
Has anyone pointed out in this thread, open carry in Omaha is a horse of a different color from that of the rest of our state?
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When Ted Nugent speaks at gun rallies, would you rather he also have an AR15 over his shoulder, or do we attend such meetings, to hear what the leaders of the NRA have to say?
Should have Alex Jones went on CNN holding a gun, as well as being pissed?
I love gun shows, where guns are on display. For a gun rally where gun owners are on display, speak softly, and carry a big sign does a better job in my mind.
I pray the day never comes where I need to walk the streets, or my property line, for any reason, holding or wearing a gun out in the open. For me, tucked away is just fine.
When I was younger, I had a glass gun cabinet, to show them off in the room they were in. Maybe maturity makes me pull back, as now I only use gun safes.
It's about exercising rights so that they don't become privileges.
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What does everyone think about hiring some off duty, uniformed officers to provide security/attend one of these 2A/Open Carry picnics? It could be a way of looping in law enforcement and start changing their perspective. If we get OPD to stop viewing an OCer as an armed gunman, it seems like much of the trouble with OCing would be resolved.
I’m not so much worried about freaking some people out, as I am getting shot/thrown in the slammer by OPD.
I could be wrong and they don't see OCing that way...
Good idea, To make a point in a public park in Omaha that sounds cool, and have OPD with us. but yet again then we are cowering against unconsitutional laws, I would prefer to bring my business elsewhere that my rights are recognized. I would be agreeable to just hanging out honestly wherever as a group. I am easy, just dont tell my wife.
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Good idea, To make a point in a public park in Omaha that sounds cool, and have OPD with us. but yet again then we are cowering against unconsitutional laws, I would prefer to bring my business elsewhere that my rights are recognized. I would be agreeable to just hanging out honestly wherever as a group. I am easy, just dont tell my wife.
Of course, most city parks in Omaha are posted as shooting galleries for criminals ... er, I mean gun-free zones ....
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Hell if you want local LEO's present, make the theme of the gathering a "Thank You to LEO's and their Families" picnic...with OC on the side 8). Food, beverages and games for the kids. Competitions for prizes, yada yada... Omaha parks probably not a good venue choice, most don't allow CC much less OC, but someplace just beyond city limits would work.
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Here is an open carry guy in wal mart making the check out persons day.
For me the most disturbing thing in this video is the purchase of hot dogs, white bread, frosted flakes and full-sugar generic cola. The bon vivant in me is more taken aback at his grocery choices than his open carry. ;D
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A few years ago the was an open carry gathering in Nebraska City that went very well - I think it was and apple festival or something. I was out of town and couldn't attend :(
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I've been meaning to open carry once a week or once a month. I have a fairly small route and most places I stop folks know me quite well. I can even order fast food by saying "no ma'am, yes ma'am, thank you" (would you like to try X ? no ma'am. Number etc ? Yes ma'am, thank you). Thing is, I'd want to carry my s&w 357 ... but... I'm not as confident with it as I am my normal carry weapon... and I just can't seem to justify an OWB / belt clip holster for a weapon that I already have a crossbreed for heh.
Perhaps I'll just have to pick up a 357 mold and powder coat a bunch of bullets for it and get some practice in on it (right now I only shoot ~21 rounds out of it every time I go to the range... daddy loves her very much, it's like eating candy... don't wanna get too spoiled).
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What does everyone think about hiring some off duty, uniformed officers to provide security/attend one of these 2A/Open Carry picnics? It could be a way of looping in law enforcement and start changing their perspective. If we get OPD to stop viewing an OCer as an armed gunman, it seems like much of the trouble with OCing would be resolved.
I’m not so much worried about freaking some people out, as I am getting shot/thrown in the slammer by OPD.
I could be wrong and they don't see OCing that way...
I kinda l that idea. Now, I have never had a problem with ANY LEO whether I was armed or not, but I like the idea of getting them involved in an OC event. I OC about 20% of my carry time, and have never had a problem from anyone, citizen or LEO. I’d like to see OPD observe us as our partners and learn that we are not threats but citizens.
Ron
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A pretty popular video blogger, on open carry events.
Loud, Fat, Drunk & Carrying Guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LBHW6Z7e_0#ws)
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A pretty popular video blogger, on open carry events.
Popular with who? All this guy does is says "I", "I", "I" - Frankly his opinion means squat to me. Especially when he goes into his mind reading blurbs about how people automatically assume you are drinking beer and being loud. Anybody that would take advice from this guy must really be hurting for good common sense info.
Since you are obviously in the same corner as this blowhard and just can't leave this alone - I (yes, I) suggest you actually attend an OC event and see how the participants act and watch the general public's reaction. Having attended several OC events in the past and not once seeing anything even close to what this guy is yammering about leads me to the conclusion that he is 100% F.O.S.
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Popular with who? All this guy does is says "I", "I", "I" - Frankly his opinion means squat to me. Especially when he goes into his mind reading blurbs about how people automatically assume you are drinking beer and being loud. Anybody that would take advice from this guy must really be hurting for good common sense info.
Since you are obviously in the same corner as this blowhard and just can't leave this alone - I (yes, I) suggest you actually attend an OC event and see how the participants act and watch the general public's reaction. Having attended several OC events in the past and not once seeing anything even close to what this guy is yammering about leads me to the conclusion that he is 100% F.O.S.
He is entertaining, for some. I enjoy watching some of his videos.
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what this guy is yammering about leads me to the conclusion that he is 100% F.O.S.
Didn't see anything quite wrong in that video. People not accustom to firearms can indeed be wary of a group of people openly carrying guns. It is not normal to see a group of people open carry. It could even be difficult to understand why they would want to open carry at a picnic affair to many people. We have to understand that there are people out there that have no interest in firearms, fear firearms and don't want to see firearms. Pushing firearms on people (by a simple display of open carry en mass) that don't want to see firearms does nothing to make them more comfortable about the fact that there are people with opposing feelings.
I recently viewed a video of men at a picnic sort of affair, guns everywhere and a number of them randomly firing a magazine of shots into the air...it was somewhat disturbing to me on a number of levels. Would have been horrific to anyone uncomfortable with firearms.
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Here is that video...Eastern Europe....but may be the way some could view things.
Eastern Europe Pistol Shooting Picnic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFPNjWGkMrQ#)
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Thank you for your posts.
I would rather go to a gun show than eat cake. But a family outing in a park to display open carry, for no other reason than open carry would not be an event i would go to. It it celebrated something like 1776, or the boston tea party, or something of that nature, then the guns would have a place, and i might go.
Speaking of gun shows, next weekend, Kearney !
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Well, well, well, this is why we live in America so we can each share our ideas and as different as they are we still have some commonalities.
I guess this topic did not go over as I had planned; and that was to ask " lets have an open garry gathering what are your thoughts" not, "lets debate your idea of my freedoms" I am not trying to be rude to anyone who has a difference of opinion but I find the fact that we are actually arguing over whether we should OC at a pre-planned event supporting our rights, very troubling. One point I hope can all agree on is whether you OC or not neither stance we believe in will make folks that do not like guns, suddenly be comfortable with them. Its about excercising our rights and education to other Americans on theirs also.
A pretty popular video blogger, on open carry events.
Personally I cannot stand yankeemarshall, he is boring with poor production quality and I find myself questioning his opinions, much the same as sootch and james yeager
I recently viewed a video of men at a picnic sort of affair, guns everywhere and a number of them randomly firing a magazine of shots into the air...it was somewhat disturbing to me on a number of levels. Would have been horrific to anyone uncomfortable with firearms.
How can you use this as a legitimate example. I find no coralation here to what we are discussing, they are slavic, and as you can see their culture is so much different than ours this comparison between some of us hosting an outing with possible LEO onsite and offduty and this boggles my mind.
Thank you for your posts.
I would rather go to a gun show than eat cake. But a family outing in a park to display open carry, for no other reason than open carry would not be an event i would go to. It it celebrated something like 1776, or the boston tea party, or something of that nature, then the guns would have a place, and i might go.
Speaking of gun shows, next weekend, Kearney !
I guess a I am not understanding your comment here. So you have no problem excercising your rights when its a patriotic event, but generally excercising your rights makes our beliefs as constitutional Americans scary when we gather at a park?
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wusker, I have been following this thread and have been torn on the subject, as many that know and understand. Yes there have been successful open carry events, but there have been many more open carry events that have caused negative responses. So how do you have a positive event and not one that ends up limiting our rights? That becomes the million dollar question.
First you must have clearly established goals for the event, what do you want to accomplish by it, are those goals reachable, is this the best or only way to accomplish those goals.
Then comes the even more difficult part, organizing the event. You must make certain that no laws are being violated, how will you assure that nobody that shows up is violating a law (if one person out of a thousand breaks a law the whole group/event is labled as such), how do you get people to attend/what is the draw. These are all questions that need to be answered before even starting to work on something like this, and they take lots of planning and control, something that is more difficult to have than it sounds.
I have more questions than answers at this point, but if someone could come up with answers and a plan i would be open to listening.
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Well I guess AAllen, If it had been an idea that people were really excited for, this topic would have looked different but it seems alot dont wont the trouble of exactly what you mentioned following the laws, and organizing and I understand the apprehension. So my answer to your "how do we have a positive event, one that does not limit our rights" question is...we dont.
I will continue to come home from work and put my holster on and do things in the yard and get the mail, and take walks when the weather persists around my immediate neighborhood. I will excercise my rights, and I will continue to remain uninfringed as long as the law allows. Oh well life goes on.
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I Agree with AAllen and some others
My thoughts .....Great Idea! ......Wrong time!.
Plus you need the Media to support it - Or it will never work.
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Here's my $0.02.
Like most things, a gathering of individuals openly carrying firearms has the potential both for positive and negative outcomes. Even with the "support" of certain media outlets there is a real possibility of negative media coverage.
To everything there is a season ....
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Yes.
Doing something that is COMPLETELY LEGAL IN NEBRASKA should be discouraged.
Evidently... ???
I'd get in trouble if I posted what I originally typed-out in this response. Not that it would be the first time... :o
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Do a boy scouts barbecue with proceeds going to local troupes.
Do something similar for a local school.
Want to avoid kids ?
How about a local charity that helps battered women ?
A friendly softball game between the local PD and local FD (my personal fave) ?
Salvation Army ?
There are a lot of great charities and organizations that would love to get some help and some publicity.
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I personally think this would be fun, could be very positive if organized and handled correctly...and if done at the right place and time. Though every single one of us has no issue following the law and exercising our rights within the law, it's all about the public perception of how we define it that matters.
Now, my thoughts are, if we were to do this, let's start small. How about contacting Cabela's and see if we can set up a table or something out near the front entrance? At least the crowd that frequents that store will be at least somewhat familiar with the concept of gun ownership. Maybe sell popcorn or something and donate the proceeds to a local charity. At the same time, we could be openly, responsibly carrying and possibly hand out pamphlets or flyers stating the true facts about current gun legislation versus what the main stream media has been spouting lately. A side benefit would be that there are likely many CHP holders and gun owners in general going in and out of the store that our not familiar with our forum and we would likely gain membership.
If this goes successful, and I am sure it will, we could then maybe talk with a local Wal-Mart or the like and repeat the event. Hopefully, the long term goal would be to set up our gathering in a more open, public place.
Just some thoughts...
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I say we find out if Ernie Chambers donates money to any charities. If he does we do an OC event selling raffle tickets or something with all of the money going to his favorite one :)
but seriously, I wouldn't mind at all helping set something up and I do like the idea of connecting a charity to it.
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Yes.
Doing something that is COMPLETELY LEGAL IN NEBRASKA should be discouraged.
Evidently... ???
I'd get in trouble if I posted what I originally typed-out in this response. Not that it would be the first time... :o
+1
I too have to watch my P's and Q's - I think I am out of warnings from the almighty.