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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: UPCrawfish on April 15, 2013, 03:10:05 PM
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At about 300pm EDT, 2 explosions occurred near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. Initial reports place the origin of the explosions in a Starbucks with crowds of people on the sidewalk watching the runners pass. Multiple injured - local hospitals responding for mass casualty event.
Ongoing news reports - all channels....
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Yeah, and our VP really needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.
Just as he learned about it and then talks to press he says "two bombs"... when at that time it was totally unknown what it was etc.
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All in favor of arresting Bill Ayres, and all his known accomplice's, till this is figured out, raise your hands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers)
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Aye.....(raises hand)
;-)
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I wonder how much freedom we'll lose after this one... Now, every time an attack happens, my first instinct is to wonder what it's going to cost me in terms of freedom.
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From the videos showing the first blast, near the finish line, I've located the location of the bomb blast.
http://goo.gl/maps/og0dL (http://goo.gl/maps/og0dL)
[EDITED -- used short url to eliminate wide display, and shortened discription]
The FINISH line (Yellow band, blue letters) is a few feet down the street from the location of the bomb. As best I can place it the bomb was inside a trash can in front of the building with the words "Sale" on the front glass.
It looks like a "Tannerite" type explosion, based on the color of the fireball and the amount of smoke. Tannerite can set off with a .22 weapon under certain conditions I won't describe.
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Wow, thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims, going to be a long night for local law enforcment and EMS/ hospital crews.
What the heck is wrong with our world
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I wonder how much freedom we'll lose after this one... Now, every time an attack happens, my first instinct is to wonder what it's going to cost me in terms of freedom.
My first reaction was, thank goodness this attack was not gun related.
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I made standard calls to family in the area, all good from my end of things. Yay.
Poor folks that have been caught by all this :(.
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I hope everyone's friends and family members are OK.
I read that there was a 3rd blast at the JFK Library. No injuries reported so far (let's hope this doesn't change). I also read that they have located other "suspicious packages" near subway locations.
I know none of us have any clue what's going on, but my first thought was that today is the birthday of the founder of North Korea. I hope its not related.
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Boston PD reporting finding at least one additional device in a trash can along the race course.
Eye-witness photos being posted on multiple news site, some of which are quite graphic.
Cell service has been terminated in the area due to possible additional devices that may be cell signal triggered.
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Sad deal.
I'm wondering how our wonderful government will used this event to take away even more of our rights. You know they'll try. :(
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It looks like a "Tannerite" type explosion, based on the color of the fireball and the amount of smoke. Tannerite can set off with a .22 weapon under certain conditions I won't describe.
You shut yo mouth mister ! I am trying to by some in bulk for this summer's festivities.
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You shut yo mouth mister ! I am trying to by some in bulk for this summer's festivities.
They make some specifically for .22.
On topic, first thing I also thought was that I'm glad it wasn't a gun.
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On topic, first thing I also thought was that I'm glad it wasn't a gun.
Like you dont think they will say they found one on the guy they pin this on???
66bigblock
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Like you dont think they will say they found one on the guy they pin this on???
66bigblock
AND OF COURSE he will have bought it using the gunshow loophole...
66bigblock
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AND OF COURSE he will have bought it using the gunshow loophole...
66bigblock
and he'll be a member of the Tea party.
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Very very sad, my fear is that we will never know the truth, only the truth that we are told. while the fact is that Americans died again, regardless of the regime claims that Oscumma ended terrorism, interesting that in his address, he did NOT even mention terrorism. May God be with the families.
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I'm wondering how our wonderful government will used this event to take away even more of our rights.
I have little doubt that they will try. We usually watch GMA in the morning because it is more entertainment than news, but this morning the first thing George and Josh did was to tie the bombing into Newtown. They never waste an opportunity to spin the news.
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This image shows the blast scene of the first explosion from above. You can see the dark spot where the bomb went off.
It is between the elliptical blood splatter on the walk and the streak of white material against the building.
I've seen bomb residue similar to the white stuff before. When a Zinc and Sulfur mixture is ignited, and it takes only
a small electrical wire glowing red hot from a battery short circuit to set it off, a large amount of cloudy white Zinc Sulfide
powder is created. Most will rise into the air, but sometimes the explosion will blow some of the unburned mixture out
against objects.
In another case Tannerite that has too much Aluminum dust can cause the dust to discolor surrounding objects in the same way.
Tannerite explosions usually have an orange tint to the cloud. Also, Potassium Nitrate and Aluminum powder create what is
called "flash powder". It can be used as a primary explosive, set off by a .22, to trigger Tannerite. But it, too, can be used
as the explosive charge and if the perp over did the Aluminum the amount of cloud and white dust covering objects will
be greater.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-2309563-19505F4D000005DC-61_634x388.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-2309563-19505F4D000005DC-61_634x388.jpg)
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If you think 9/11 caused intrusions into our freedoms, wait till we get a year or two past this. HS just spent 4 billion dollars on a new headquarters building, and I am sure conference rooms are all a buzz with talk on how they can use this event to tighten the screws on our liberties.
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If you think 9/11 caused intrusions into our freedoms, wait till we get a year or two past this. HS just spent 4 billion dollars on a new headquarters building, and I am sure conference rooms are all a buzz with talk on how they can use this event to tighten the screws on our liberties.
I don't think it will take nearly that long... :(
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Extensive news report from Daily Mail - London with numerous photos and links embedded...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309545/Boston-Marathon-bombings-death-toll-Martin-Richard-8-named-1-3-victims-152-injured.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309545/Boston-Marathon-bombings-death-toll-Martin-Richard-8-named-1-3-victims-152-injured.html)
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Extensive news report from Daily Mail - London with numerous photos and links embedded...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309545/Boston-Marathon-bombings-death-toll-Martin-Richard-8-named-1-3-victims-152-injured.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309545/Boston-Marathon-bombings-death-toll-Martin-Richard-8-named-1-3-victims-152-injured.html)
Those photos are frightening and maddening.
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This image shows the blast scene of the first explosion from above. You can see the dark spot where the bomb went off.
It is between the elliptical blood splatter on the walk and the streak of white material against the building.
I've seen bomb residue similar to the white stuff before. When a Zinc and Sulfur mixture is ignited, and it takes only
a small electrical wire glowing red hot from a battery short circuit to set it off, a large amount of cloudy white Zinc Sulfide
powder is created. Most will rise into the air, but sometimes the explosion will blow some of the unburned mixture out
against objects.
In another case Tannerite that has too much Aluminum dust can cause the dust to discolor surrounding objects in the same way.
Tannerite explosions usually have an orange tint to the cloud. Also, Potassium Nitrate and Aluminum powder create what is
called "flash powder". It can be used as a primary explosive, set off by a .22, to trigger Tannerite. But it, too, can be used
as the explosive charge and if the perp over did the Aluminum the amount of cloud and white dust covering objects will
be greater.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-2309563-19505F4D000005DC-61_634x388.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/15/article-2309563-19505F4D000005DC-61_634x388.jpg)
The "white stuff" against the building, is glass. Shown here:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950B11F000005DC-472_964x685.jpg)
Warning: Graphic
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950CDAB000005DC-672_964x494.jpg)
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Looking at the graphic pictures which I won't link but I'm sure you can find if ya do a cursory dig....
How do these acts instill fear ?
This instills nothing but pure seething rage.
At least, that's what comes out of me.... but maybe I'm a weird one that runs towards an accident/explosion/etc.
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Looking at the graphic pictures which I won't link but I'm sure you can find if ya do a cursory dig....
How do these acts instill fear ?
This instills nothing but pure seething rage.
At least, that's what comes out of me.... but maybe I'm a weird one that runs towards an accident/explosion/etc.
Same here Unfy. The graphic images don't make me scared, if anything it makes me wish I could do more to help. I have seen some stuff in my life, but the pic with the guy in a wheelchair with his lower arteries and bone exposed, sure conjured up the need for a pike with some whacko's head perched on it.
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A good pic the same blasts epicenter. Two EOD's scoping, one in a green suit by the corner of the post. Seems like the spot to me.
(http://www.qconcepts.org/photos/i-wbX6zmz/0/XL/i-wbX6zmz-XL.jpg)
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The "white stuff" against the building, is glass. Shown here:
Ya, I saw that after I posted. From the photo taken above above it looked like Zinc Sulfide powder or perhaps Aluminum oxide.
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This instills nothing but pure seething rage.
and tears of sorrow for those who lost their lives or were severely injured.
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Getting fed up with the coverage already. So many contradictions coming out over what we know and what we knew. Granted its a confusing situation but the contradictions are coming from "official sources" who should know better than to spread unsubstantiated "facts". Guilliani says on TV that it's normal for FBI investigators to spread disinformation when chasing a lead. Seems like the perfect way to get panic and conspiracy rumors going.
Janet Napolitano says she sees no evidence of this being a coordinated attack. So..it was simply two random explosive devices that coincidentally happened to go off within seconds and 100yds of each other? I would suggest the next bomber plant his device in her butt as it is clear she could not find her own ass with 2 hands and a clue.
Obama can't bring himself to call this terrorism until after the Saudi national is cleared and released by FBI investigators. Now the push is to keep words like "homegrown" and "homemade" at the front of the news. Just feels like we're getting routed back into the Admins narrative of "The only we thing we have to fear is each other" and "Obama is the only one who can bring us in line with the rest of the peace-loving world." I sorrow for the victims and commend the reactions of the first-responders and medical personnel, but the "handling" of the investigation has done absolutely nothing for my peace of mind.
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Ya, I saw that after I posted. From the photo taken above above it looked like Zinc Sulfide powder or perhaps Aluminum oxide.
Safety glass breaks up in small pieces, so if someone falls into a sheet of large glass, it explodes into small chunks, and does not cut them in half. It has a sand appearance in the photographs, but it is small pieces of safety glass from the windows in the photograph. The windows are insulated, meaning there are two or three separate windows in each window opening. A vacuum or seal is between each window to make the window more resistant to letting in temperature changes. One window shows one pane of glass did not break, but the outer window did.
If safety glass is laminated, it will retain its position in the window frame, as in a windshield of a car. This type of safety glass is often not tempered, and is two close layers of glass with a sandwich of clear plastic between them, to give the windshield strength. Tempered glass is stronger than regular glass, but when it breaks, it shatters, almost with a boom, all letting go in a dramatic effect. Most side and back glass in cars is tempered safety glass. Most storefronts if they are safety glass, are tempered. Tempered glass is less expensive than laminated safety glass. Most building codes, require safety glass, if there is a chance a person could fall through the glass, as in low windows, or glass storefront doors.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/16/article-2309545-1950B11F000005DC-472_964x685.jpg)
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Safety glass breaks up in small pieces
Yup, my Tannerite or Zinc&Sulfur theories are totally wrong. The FBI claims that the bombs used ordinary gun powder.
Here is a one metric ton explosion of gun powder.
1 metric ton of gunpowder (1000 kg, or 2204 pounds) stored in wooden 36 barrels) used to blow a building (a replica of the 1605 Westminster 'House of Parliament') to smithereens.
http://youtu.be/ZbvNIaC3gKM (http://youtu.be/ZbvNIaC3gKM)
There are other examples of massive gun powder explosions:
http://www.standingwellback.com/home/2012/1/31/explosion-kills-3000-people-and-another-4000.html (http://www.standingwellback.com/home/2012/1/31/explosion-kills-3000-people-and-another-4000.html)
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The FBI claims that the bombs used ordinary gun powder.
I was afraid of that
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I've avoided media coverage after the first couple hours. Have learned to hate the American press after such an event.... or even small scale things. Front page rumor/b.s., page 86 retraction. Yeah, **** you assholes. Or outright fake things. Basically only check headlines every so often to see if anyone's claimed responsibility etc.
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From Salon magazine "I still hope the bomber is a white American".
The editorial goes on to say how it will hurt the liberal agenda if it is not.
An intersting post on BamaCarry yesterday claiming that in a few days they will announce a suspect. He will be described as a conservative white twenty something. When his house is searched they will find reloading supplies and gunpowder which will start the call to ban gunpowder for reloading. The post was from someone that claims to be in security, but would not say in what level, public or private.
Most members including me said BS, but now I am beginning to wonder.
If the explosion was gunpowder, it would have been black powder and not smokeless. Too much smoke. If it was gunpowder sweeping the area with dogs should produce a trail back to the source. Unless they do not really want to find the actual perp, and need time to set up a patsy. I no longer believe anything our government says, which is really sad.
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We sho
Looking at the graphic pictures which I won't link but I'm sure you can find if ya do a cursory dig....
How do these acts instill fear ?
This instills nothing but pure seething rage.
At least, that's what comes out of me.... but maybe I'm a weird one that runs towards an accident/explosion/etc.
We should never call these "terrorist attacks", but call them what they are COWARD ATTACKS ON WOMEN AND CHILDREN! They are sissys afraid to meet man to man.
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From Salon magazine "I still hope the bomber is a white American".
The sheer amount of spin and b.s. other stuff in that article made it nigh impossible to read. Tin foil hat from the other side of the fence, it was just wow.
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The sheer amount of spin and b.s. other stuff in that article made it nigh impossible to read. Tin foil hat from the other side of the fence, it was just wow.
An arrest has been made! (1:08 PM)
Law enforcement source tells FoxNews.com that an arrest has been made in the deadly bombing at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
Wait, no arrests have been made...(1:53 PM)
Boston Police say no arrest made in Boston Marathon bombing as news organizations site conflicting sourced reports that an arrest was made. Stay with Fox News and FoxNews.com for the latest on this breaking news story.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/17/fbi-boston-police-say-range-suspects-motives-remains-wide-open/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/17/fbi-boston-police-say-range-suspects-motives-remains-wide-open/)
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An arrest has been made! (1:08 PM)
Law enforcement source tells FoxNews.com that an arrest has been made in the deadly bombing at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
Wait, no arrests have been made...(1:53 PM)
Boston Police say no arrest made in Boston Marathon bombing as news organizations site conflicting sourced reports that an arrest was made. Stay with Fox News and FoxNews.com for the latest on this breaking news story.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/17/fbi-boston-police-say-range-suspects-motives-remains-wide-open/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/17/fbi-boston-police-say-range-suspects-motives-remains-wide-open/)
It is suspected that an arrest was made, but if it was not a white male american, it would possibly affect the senat vote on gun control. The briefing was "postponed". Likely until after Obama finishes his press conference blaming conservative Senators for not passing the anti-gun bill as Hairy Reed so bluntly put it.
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I no longer believe anything our government says, which is really sad.
It is sad, but you are not alone in that evaluation.
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Count me in too...and that's a pretty hard 180 degree swing for me. I've always assumed that our elected officials are the best of the best all of humanity has to offer. I realize there's always been a rotten apple here and there, but that I can understand. Human greed is something we all have to contend with every day and some politicians have the power and authority to consume as much as they want. That I can understand, not accept of course, but understand.
What I can't understand...and I mean what leaves me totally bewildered is the continual deceit, lies, misinformation (intentional and not intentional), uneducated statements and misleading "facts". The obvious examples are DeGette's reply on high capacity magazines and Biden's suggestion that we all violate common sense safety practices and actual law with our double barrel shotguns. Recently, I became very annoyed by Obama's continual reference to "90% of American's are for gun control". Well yes, of course we are. But, he took that number (though likely made up) and twisted it to the unknowing public that we meant we wanted "more" gun control. And then I heard him make the statement that us pro-gun folks were continually pulling political stunts to promote our cause...and that very night he flies the Sandy Hook families to Washington aboard Air Force One. Of course I have not seen, heard or read every statement made in the last several months, but I feel that the pro-gun people have spoken well, presented and stuck to facts and essentially stayed on topic...never straying to insult the anti gun supporters. And I have yet to see an anti gun supporter state a single, believable supported fact...and have often seen them resort to snide remarks and outright insults about any and all gun owners.
To top it all off, we have some very weird things going on with immigration/amnesty, fiscal cliffs, budget crisis, sequester, martial law, foreign aid, troop movements, DHS build ups, etc, etc. Most of these events have all shown up in the headlines in recent months. In all of the financial crisis situations, it seemed to come down to the last hours before we all plunged into a deep, insurmountable recession. So, this all just snuck up and surprised everyone? We didn't know a year ago that we'd have to have a budget in place by a certain time frame? I mean, seriously, these are the guys who make the policies, who say this has to be done and by a certain time...but yet they didn't get it done? I still feel very much that many of these "last hour crisis" were simply ploys to keep the population scared and unsettled. If we're scared, we'll follow. If we're confident, we'll, we're likely going to speak out.
At one time, I'd argue with anyone who attempted to bash the President of the United States. Like him or not, agree with their decisions or not, they at least deserved respect due to the office they hold. But, I realized today, I have zero respect for Mr. Obama. Though he may currently hold the office, he does not represent it in any way shape or form that it is intended. And it trickles down from there.
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I became very annoyed by Obama's continual reference to "90% of American's are for gun control". Well yes, of course we are. But, he took that number (though likely made up) and twisted it to the unknowing public that we meant we wanted "more" gun control. And then I heard him make the statement that us pro-gun folks were continually pulling political stunts to promote our cause.
In the following post I show where that "90%" came from and what the backrounds of the people who published it are.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/107839599438746451936/posts/iugEYj78WEP (https://plus.google.com/u/0/107839599438746451936/posts/iugEYj78WEP)
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Your article is very well written and very informative GG. Thank you for sharing it :)