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General Categories => Newsworthy => Topic started by: CliffD on May 07, 2013, 06:07:59 PM
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A planned, organized march, guns loaded into Washington D.C. on July 4th. Some of the comments I've been reading are starting to become pretty fanatical. At a time when we have States stepping up to take Gun Control back under their jurisdiction, this group is taking it upon themselves to violate a local community's own laws. We can't have it both ways.
Don't get me wrong, I respect their right to protest, but leave the guns at home. This is NOT what we are about:
Re: Washington Police Will Arrest All Armed Protesters At The July 4th Protest
On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.
There's a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.
You are welcome to attend unarmed as a supporter, or armed with a recording device. We especially invite law enforcement officers to stand with us armed however they feel is appropriate. If any law enforcement officers would like to volunteer in any way, please email adam@adamvstheman.com
If this page gets to 10,000 attendees by June 1st, & we have the critical mass necessary to pull this off, (1,000 actual attendees) we will march. Please spread the word, share this event, & invite all your friends.
If law enforcement policy for the public space in front of the National Cemetery prevents open carry there, we will rally at the next closest area where we can legally open carry.
UPDATE 130506 Now that it's undeniable that this is going to happen, allow me to make clear how. There will be coordination with DC law enforcement prior to the event. I will recommend that they do the best they can to honor their oaths and escort us on our route. Failing to provide that commitment to safety, we will either be informed that we will only be allowed up to a certain point where we would be arrested. If this is the case, we will approach that point as a group and if necessary, I will procede to volunteer myself to determine what their actual course of action with someone crossing the line will be at which point fellow marchers will have the choice of joining me one at a time in a peaceful, orderly manner, or turning back to the National Cemetery.
They are claiming to have over 2,000 signed up to participate already.
https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/?ref=3 (https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/?ref=3)
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This will not end well.
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It won't be Union Creek, and the police and National Guard, probably augmented by US Military and armored vehicles, will open fire if a shot is fired. All it takes is some mentally ill person on SSRIs, or a provocateur, to conceal a weapon and shoot off a round, or worse yet, snipe from a distant building and kill an officer.
This action is untimely and unwarranted. The ballot box is still a better tool than the ammo box.
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This won't be good no matter how you slice it.
A nervous attendee.
A nervous LEO.
A nervous guardsman.
A drunk idiot.
An idiot on either side looking for a scene.
Conspiracy fodder stuff.
An idiot in general from either side or even outside.
The only thing this serves is to make folks nervous.
A group of a 1000 armed men and women organised into a peaceful march is still a LARGE organised group of armed folks.
If NK or SK moved 1,000 peaceful armed guards towards their border, it wouldn't be cool and be considered provocative.
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Loaded guns in a public protest in Washington DC? Cut It Out! These one thousand or so misguided souls are going to bring about change for all of us.
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Idiots. You can pretty much guarantee some anti-gun nutjob posing as a marcher will open fire to provoke an armed response.
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Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.
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Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.
I am not expressing hate, I am expressing my doubts this will go well.
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I like wusker's spunk, but the leader of this "event" - Adam Kokesh - is a hairball: http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/10/adam-kokesh-an-anti-war-smear-merchant-in-republican-clothing/ (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/10/adam-kokesh-an-anti-war-smear-merchant-in-republican-clothing/)
If Uncle Ted issues the call for, say, a 2-Million Man Long-Gun March then I'm gone 8)... but not with this attention-seeking punk.
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Don't get me wrong, I do admire their courage. But this cannot help but be a tragedy in the making. In a couple of the forums where people are discussing this, many of the comments (that are removed shortly after they've been posted) are already claiming what they will do if there's any sign of stopping the protest. One kid even said "I've been training for this my whole life". Another said that he intends to bring his kids and that others should also..."They surely won't fire into a crowd of kids". Other comments include threats against certain members of our Government that I won't list here.
I've asked the more volatile protestors what have they done to support 2A so far, prior to joining this march? Are they NRA members? How many letters have they written their Senators? How much money have they donated to support legitimate 2A organizations? I have yet to get a reply from anyone...
I agree with an organized protest, they actually have the potential to do a lot of good...but not while carrying loaded guns. It would be different if you could control the group you've organized. Right now, in my opinion, the Pro-2A gun groups have the full support of the local law enforcement agencies and our military. Arrogantly breaking the law in large numbers and having something go very wrong is going to force everyone to play their hand and we could be looking at losing everything.
As I told them, there is a lot more to the Constitution than just the 2A. If they used the entire document as diligently as they do the Second Amendment, they could accomplish a lot more a lot faster. We have procedures set in place to remove current Government officials peacefully. As these protestors bash me for "sitting on the couch" while they march, I ask them where have they been sitting while I've been legally pursuing changes?
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He is a market anarchist who wants to abolish the state.
That much is obvious from my searches on his activities. But, I believe he is more Left than "Anarchist", if not an outright Marxist mole. This "march" will do nothing in support of the 2nd Amendment except to solidify support AGAINST it by those who were fence riding or undecided. It will give the Left a LOAD of fodder for their propaganda mill and will be used by them to paint EVERYONE who advocates freeing the 2A as "nutjobs".
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Interesting I will have to get online tonight and see what I can find on this guy for myself, Like I said I take people at their word until they show me different. If this guy is as wacky as you are all saying and the comments from those planning are attending are acted on this would could be a mess
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libertarian anarchist in the Rothbardian tradition.
LSM advocates often hide behind that anarchist tradition because they have been advocating armed revolution for as long as I've been reading about them. Saul Alinksy and his buddy, while they were in Chicago, would drive out into the country and practice with their pistols as preparation for the revolution they thought was quickly coming. Especially when the Left captured the Democrat party at their Chicago convention in 1968.
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Interesting a comparison of U.S. citizens to North and South Koreans?! Really?!
Hmmm am I the only one that looks at this as an act of courage, for our God given rights? I take people at face value; what they say. They are patriots actively supporting their beliefs. They are no different then any group that actively uses there voice against governmental injustice.
They have stated, they will not engage in a violent behavior and will; if detained not resist arrest.
I dont get the hate some of you are putting on these folks. I hope all goes welll for them and they bring positive media attention to our constitution.
Yup, I think the comparison stands.
How would you feel if there were a 1000 armed protesters on your front lawn ?
How would you feel about a 1000 armed individuals moving in an organised fashion near your political capital ?
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept in its idealogical form.
But it won't turn out that way.
a) although the organizers want everything to go peaceful, some idiot(s) can royally **** that up
b) folks are already talking about violent responses to LEO resistance (ie: move along, dont come this way, etc)
c) someone who has opposite views could easily take this march and turn it even slightly ugly ... which the media and other b.s. will jump all over and flip the purpose of the march on it's head. what percentage of shootings are done by 'leftist' folks instead of 'right extremists' ? mmm ?
d) tin foil hat conspiracy folks comments go here
So I'll repeat, I admire the idealogy but I don't see ANY chance that it'll turn out like the organizers intend it to.
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Conflicted. The $&!+ is gonna hit the fan sooner or later, of that I am 100% certain. Law abiding citizens that have had enough of the law. Maybe this is the start.
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D.C. requires all firearms are registered with the MPD. Unregistered firearms can not be posessed (resident or non-resident). Open carry is prohibited.
What part of this is "law-abiding"?
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What part of this is "law-abiding"?
The part of the 2nd amendment that says "shall not be infringed".
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Law abiding citizens that have had enough of the law
That's exactly the quandry.
We often say that the laws being proposed after Sandy Hook would only punish law abiding gun owners and would have no effect on criminals who do not obey laws anyway. If we turn around and violate existing gun laws we can no longer claim to be "law abiding" gun owners and give room for Leftists to post videos of the proposed marches as evidence that gun owners are wingnuts or worse ... unAmerican terrorists.
Those folks planning to march in Washington, D.C. and carry live weapons without a D.C. permit cannot then claim to be law-abiding gun owners. In doing so they expose us all to ridicule and insults. We won the battle in the Senate. The Left is planning to bring it up again, but as things are now they will lose again. If they present their proposed laws AFTER some D.C. incident, and there WILL be an incident, the Left will make SURE of that, the odds are that those who voted against it before will be forced to vote for it the second time. I think there is room to consider that this outcome is exactly what the guy leading the charge wants.
The ballot box and public persuasion (which is difficult in the wind generated by a Leftist media) is still, IMO, the best approach. If the situation devolved to the point where the only avenue of expression remaining open was armed rebellion then the result would not be what our side would want. IF one man can cause so much trouble in California, a small fraction of the total number of armed Americans could cause total and complete chaos and lots of destruction. The first thing that would happen is something Obama is aching to do, declare martial law! THEN, his executive orders come into play, and his tyranny begins, all in the name of safety.
Watch some YouTube videos of the battles taking place in Syria and decide if you think anyone can live in the shattered remains of what once were beautiful cities.
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Why do i get the Feeling that this would only Help Obama's Gun control attempts more then another attempt to do something like a Fast and furious type operation would?. :(
It's the Wrong time and the Way Wrong way to do it!.
Gives those on the left a "look!! See I told you so" moment.
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That's exactly the quandry.
We often say that the laws being proposed after Sandy Hook would only punish law abiding gun owners and would have no effect on criminals who do not obey laws anyway. If we turn around and violate existing gun laws we can no longer claim to be "law abiding" gun owners and give room for Leftists to post videos of the proposed marches as evidence that gun owners are wingnuts or worse ... unAmerican terrorists.
I agree it is a slippery slope, The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and if we follow it we knowingly violate local laws as in this instance. I do agree that this is not the right way; to fight this local law that is unconstitutional, they need to work with pen and paper first and use their voice. Gosh the more I read about this and the input you are all providing the more this march worries me, I want to believe that out of the 2000 Americans their fighting for attention of their rights that 1% will be wackjobs and that will be enough for a nightmare to happen.
D.C. requires all firearms are registered with the MPD. Unregistered firearms can not be posessed (resident or non-resident). Open carry is prohibited.
What part of this is "law-abiding"?
Unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, as far as 2A is concerned the supreme court just recognized that in overturning the illinois CCW prohibition.
Yup, I think the comparison stands.
How would you feel if there were a 1000 armed protesters on your front lawn ?
How would you feel about a 1000 armed individuals moving in an organised fashion near your political capital ?
Sorry its hard for me to stomach a comparison between Americans, and a communist regime hell bent on threatening us with war.
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Unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, as far as 2A is concerned the supreme court just recognized that in overturning the illinois CCW prohibition.
I agree, wusker, but the problem is that someone has to be convicted of violating an unconstitutional law, then appeal and hope that the appeal makes it to the Supreme Court and they are found innocent. Even then, paying for the legal bills could bankrupt most people I know. Then there is the problem that even among Supreme Court Justices are folks who obviously lied when taking their oath because they do have "mental reservations" and at least one hasa "purpose of evasion". Then assuming that a majority of the Supremes rule in favor of the Constitution the conviction is overturned and the law declared unconstitutional.
BUT, keep this in mind. BOTH of the previous two ruling in favor of the 2A were by 5 to 4 votes. IF a SINGLE Justice retires or dies, the odds are that Obama will replace that judge with a person who is as Marxist as he is, and that will reverse the vote to 4-5. When that happens Marxist will create a gun case ASAP and rush it to the Supremes, who will immediately reverse the last two decisions and go so far as to "interpret" the 2A to apply only to the military, and that laws forbidding citizens owning firearms are not only constitutional, but mandatory. THAT act would trigger an armed rebellion, but it would be short lived. Scarce ammo vs 2 billion rounds.
The only hope and choice for most Constitution and freedom loving citizens would be to move to or live in a state which, essentially, seceded from the Union. This scenario was predicted by a Russian political professor in 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin) He predicted that the USA would break up into 6 parts by 2010. He missed the date but some still believe that something like that will happen before 2016. Here is what he predicted the US would look like:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Panarin.svg/360px-Panarin.svg.png)
IF there was some form of civil war and states began to break off, I suspect that Russia would take the opportunity to invade Alaska and take back Seward's Folly, claiming we stole the land in the first place. China would invade Hawaii, and the Pacific territories, and Cuba and Venezuela would invade our Caribbean territories. Mexico (or the drug cartels) would invade the SouthWest and California.
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Unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, as far as 2A is concerned the supreme court just recognized that in overturning the illinois CCW prohibition.
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Unconstitutional laws are NOT laws, as far as 2A is concerned the supreme court just recognized that in overturning the illinois CCW prohibition.
And, until a "law", Constitutional or not, is overturned...that law can be enforced.
There are better methods to challenging laws. Something as touchy as firearms definately needs a better approach than an armed march. As several have pointed out, there is too much room for error and too much at stake.
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Sorry its hard for me to stomach a comparison between Americans, and a communist regime hell bent on threatening us with war.
South Korea is communist ? News to me.
I had mentioned both sides of the fence there because any armed troop movement by either side would be provocative.
And the line of thought is 1,000's of semi-organized armed individuals. Should make anyone slightly nervous.
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Sry no ofense intended; as far as 1000 armed protestors making someone nervous I totally agree with you. You did say NK and SK I was only quoting you originally. But the comparison I find is cloudy to me as it is 1000 American protestors and 1000 armed military troops half of them being from a very violitile communist country, NK is no scarier than Iran. I just hate the idea of somone comparing Americans to NK, no matter how misguided they are (American protestors) in essence what they are saying is purely pro-constitution. But their actions, hopefully this time will not speak louder than words; I can only pray for the best outcome.
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do you guys realize who is instigating this march on Washington? he has a history of clashes with police that end with video taped arrests. this is what this guy does, and the bigger clash, the better as he sees it.
here is an interview with this guy.
Mind you, this guys antics gives pause to Alex Jones, which should really frighten the rest of us.
Open Carry March on D.C. July 4th!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsqDMUYlvw#ws)
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I think I remember some other character who made a big show of staging protests that ended in arrests, all in order to draw attention to injustices committed by government. Hmmm, who was that...? Oh yeah, this guy:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/93f061c73ec9afb26a99269313de937e/tumblr_mgr522NkhU1qk91wgo1_1280.jpg)
A big difference between a guy whose protests keep getting more and more in your face/asking for violence and the peacefull marches by Doctor King. The fact that he is asking for a march/protest is not the issue, but asking for it to become violent is.
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I just hate the idea of somone comparing Americans to NK,
A bit of patriotic pride still, that's nice :)
I can understand the complaint hehehe.
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There are better methods to challenging laws.
Um, like the corrupt court system? Unconstitutional laws that are being enforced need to be fought at the time of enforcement. A sheep can't fight back after the wolf has already killed it. Don't be a sheep.
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Um, like the corrupt court system?
Obviously there are other options to promote change.
Play your sheep/wolf animal games...doesn't make much sense to me. I am neither.
D.C. has it's rules layed down and challenging those rules by breaking them just ensites bad feelings from a great number of directions. Threat will be met with superior force. Incident will fall on all of us.
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A bit of patriotic pride still, that's nice :)
I can understand the complaint hehehe.
Oh I gotta reply to that get ready for run-on-sentence-time. Oh be sure about it my friend their is not "a bit of American pride" there is tons more, here I fly my flag each holiday, daily I fly my culpepper flag, on Memorial day I take all six kids and the wife down to Admas, Ne where the whole Wusk family is from, we watch the local VFW with my uncle being the eldest member, fire off the guns and a cannon. My favorite patriotic song is "Battle Hymn of the Republic". I kick myself in the ass for being a selfish kid and not serving my country in uniform mostly cause I know I would have stuck to that lifestyle like glue. My father was a career fighter pilot and the sounds of jets gives me a ... well you know what i mean. I cry like a little girl that just got spanked when I watch patriotic war movies such as band off brothers, letters from iwo jima, amd Savng private Ryan, I know that John waynes greatest 3 movies were Red River, El Dorado, and The searchers. I have issues with immigrants that dont speak the language and have been here for more than 5 years, this is coming from a guy that spent 10 years a journeyman tile setter in california, trust me i seen em pile i used minivans and live in apartments for 8 months then head back to their farms and ranches in Mexico, paying no taxes, and still never bothering trying to learn the language, but they got no issue with asking for a interpter when they bring their wife or kids in to the emergency room or hospitol, on my tax dollars, at the same time I love their hardwork and integrity leaving a live of nothingness and having the ability to actually reach certain dreams, the American dream is work for it, NOT ASK FOR IT, most of those brothers do and I love those that embrace the American dream cause it is still alive for some, I believe the constitution should be amended and only a president and vice-president that have sreved in the military should be eligible election, no one should serve as the head of the U.S. that can send our men and women into battle that has not himself served so that he would know the price they pay and to forgo the seat of such honor being a political career highpoint, I believe each and every political appointee from senators/congressman and any elected or apppinted party from the elected official should never be allowed to make more than the average median U.S annual salary, Wow i have totally gone way too far sory its friday night and I had 34 hours of OT, I am no longer on-call and I may or maynot have had too much wine tonight, you may say "wine wusker?" Dude im from california!? DUH!
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Watch the video I posted, this guy wants a confrontation with law enforcement. I think this guy will get arrested before the protest, for treason, or wanting to overthrow the government, or some similar charge, and that will be like throwing a bucket of coal oil on a fire. What would be a few dozen protesters, will be thousands. I do not see this ending well.
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Give me more time to stock food, plz......
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Watch the video I posted, this guy wants a confrontation with law enforcement. I think this guy will get arrested before the protest, for treason, or wanting to overthrow the government, or some similar charge, and that will be like throwing a bucket of coal oil on a fire. What would be a few dozen protesters, will be thousands. I do not see this ending well.
I did watch the video. I don't think he is anywhere near the whackjob you make him out to be. You've made it abundantly clear in past post that you are totally anti open carry, so there is no surprise at all that we view this differently.
Like it or not confrontation is coming. It's just a matter of when - it's gotta start somewhere.
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I did watch the video. I don't think he is anywhere near the whackjob you make him out to be. You've made it abundantly clear in past post that you are totally anti open carry, so there is no surprise at all that we view this differently.
Like it or not confrontation is coming. It's just a matter of when - it's gotta start somewhere.
To prove I do support the Second Amendment, I will give you fifty bucks travel money, if you wish to march with your loaded rifle in this protest. Save a gas receipt from the area, and I will reimburse you. Have a good time. Check in from the site, and report back to us. We would love on the spot reports, maybe with pics of you and your rifle, leaning on the White House fence.
I don't think he is a whack job, I think he is dangerous. Anybody that thinks it is prudent to grab a monster by the tail, for no other reason, but to tease it, is dangerous. The gov has not come unglued, that we need to take action against them. To march on them unprovoked, is cause to get arrested, and loose your gun rights forever. The people in this march will end up with changed lives, pretty certain of that.
When Alex Jones tries to tell someone, politely, to pull back and rethink something, that should tell everyone something.
You do not test thin ice on a deep lake, by driving your car on it. You do not spit into the wind, as the famous old song goes, and you do not march on the White House with 1000 loaded guns.
If you step out a 10 story window, you do not break the law of gravity, you confirm it.
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I don't think he is a whack job, I think he is dangerous.
You do not test thin ice on a deep lake, by driving your car on it. You do not spit into the wind, as the famous old song goes, and you do not march on the White House with 1000 loaded guns.
If someone thinks this is good tactics, I would like to know which play book they are using. The patriots in the Revolutionary war eventually realized it was not a good idea to stand in orderly rows to be mowed down. I say "never surrender, but withdraw if necessary".
The message it sends is that "we don't care about the law", while at the same time we are saying "you must follow the second amendment". It makes us no better than the libtards.
We need to exercise patience while continuing to push back hard using every LEGAL means possible. The current rulers lack of respect for the law will hang them given enough time. And if their monetary policies continue to collapse the US dollar worldwide, those that want confrontation will get more than their share, but it won't be pretty. Remember, the "good guys always win" only happens in the movies, and there are a lot of world powers that would love to see us taken down.
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The current rulers lack of respect for the law will hang them given enough time.
That is what the people of Great Britain thought too - then one day they woke up to total confiscation. It's worse than you folks think it is, and you need to wake up.
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It's worse than you folks think it is, and you need to wake up.
I am pretty sure folks realize the gravity of their 2A Right. We all just went through a legislative attack on that right and there is more coming. The Government just put a huge effort against a relatively minor crime issue. Obviously their agenda is something other than crime control.
But, if you believe this is a recent development or head of an issue, you would be wrong. Infringement has occured for 40+ years I have been a gun owner and historically far before that. Fortunately, gun ownership has increased dramatically and public acceptance has vastly improved. Promoting this trend alone will do more than any other effort. Increased membership and money into Pro-gun / 2A lobbies will help tip the scale more than anything else. Money=Power...something politicians understand. Bringing more law-abiding people into responsible ownership shifts the divide between pro/anti. Pro/anti is a huge division of citizens, add a amount of the Pro side not willing to give up what you have and the divide moves the wrong way. Adding weight to the Anti side doesn't help.
I doubt anyone is not awake...more a case of involvement. I do not include involvement in an armed challenge of existing law.
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If this march takes place, as promised, it will spell disaster for those involved, and something this ill advised, could bring on a larger police presence (undeclared martial law) than we saw in Boston recently. Setting the precedence for martial law, to combat Second Amendment supporters is going to be very bad for us all. I would urge all of us, to send a note to this guy, Adam, and urge him to switch his protest to something inside the law, and not something outside of it. Some of us should try to contact this guy, and plead with him not to do this.
This would be no different than 1000 of us marching with loaded guns on the city hall in Omaha to protest their open carry law.
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I also believe that this is a dangerous proposal. However I must agree with some of you, in that even though there has been many good things happen for we responsible and law-abiding gun owners, I remember when things were much simpler, ( being an old man). When I and my Wife were 18 yr. old she decided to purchase a 22 pistol for me. She entered a sporting goods store found what she wanted, wrote a check for her purchase and left the store unaccompied by a security clerk. No 4473, no background fiasco type paperwork. The transaction was complete. I personally do not feel "safer" today than I did at that time. Does all the subsequent legislation make us "safer"? How about enforcing just the current conglomeration of laws and regulations? hcepel
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A big difference between a guy whose protests keep getting more and more in your face/asking for violence and the peacefull marches by Doctor King.
Exactly!
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Money = Power
Money is the weapon that we are not using. We somehow need a coordinated effort to boycott not only the companies that donate to our enimies, we also need to boycott those that buy advertising on our enimies propanganda outlets. Money talks and BS walks, the stunt to march on Washington is just that, a stunt to gain some attention.
Mr. Coffe (an advertiser on CNN's Piers Morgan) is small enough that the brand could be devistated if all concerned gun owners boycotted their products. It would not take long for all of the smaller companies to get in line, then we could gang up on the biggies like GE and AT&T. Ours and the NRAs money would have a lot more bang for the buck than spending it on attorneys. We would magnify our lobbying efforts as the companies that we boycotted would be begging the lawmakers to help us or they would withhold their money also.
We had a good Senate bill on gun rights introduced in Alabama, then the NRA got involved and it was compromised to be very little more than what we had. The damn attorneys always want to play nice and pat each other on the back and go out for beers after they compromise. While I maintain that we have to stay legal, it doesn't mean we have to be nice!
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That is what the people of Great Britain thought too - then one day they woke up to total confiscation. It's worse than you folks think it is, and you need to wake up.
I think you are making a number of assumptions that you have no basis for---not only about how bad it is, but what people currently think about it.
In addition, making that an argument for deliberately breaking the law in a way that is LIKELY to lead to accidents, injuries, and possible deaths (carrying loaded firearms en masse in a place where is it not legal, in public so that anyone who wants to turns it into something horrible has a free shot) seems to me to be---counterproductive.
There is a time and place for protests that break the law---and in the past, intelligent people who have done precisely that have done so to make a point of the law being bad, and made arrangements with police so that errors and accidents (leading to injuries) do not occur. If the point is to publicly break the law, be arrested, and be allowed to fight it in court and make your point---then the point is to NOT have it cause problems, the point is to make it public, safe, efficient, and NOT a media disaster.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, and assuming that you don't want a massacre, a riot, or any injuries or deaths. I'm also assuming that you don't want any martyrs "for the cause" nor any policeman being killed for simply doing their job.
Under that benefit---how will this march IN ANY WAY benefit the cause of the 2nd amendment? If the point was to show the law is wrong, and to attempt to change it in court, wouldn't it be possible to do that with UNLOADED guns, that were shown to be unloaded, so that any errors that occurred could NOT have come from the protestors? (Still is a dumb idea, but it at least minimizes the chance that injuries/deaths would be attributed to the protestors.)
I'm curious---when the police stop the protestors (which they will do, as it will be their job), do you think that having lots of loaded weapons (that the protestors should NOT be using to resist, as the police are doing their job and following the law) that the police will need to clear and confiscate, is going to be a good idea? Or do you think that the protestors should violently resist being arrested for obviously breaking the law?
I'm not understanding: What's the point of this protest? If the protest is against gun laws, why do the guns need to be loaded? Isn't possession of the firearm enough? Is there a reason why fighting rhetoric is being used?
It is quite simple, really: If this protest occurs, and the weapons are loaded, the chance is very high that something will occur that can and will be used against gun owners for YEARS. And if nothing occurs---what positive thing will occur that couldn't have happened if the guns were unloaded? Or better yet, the protest didn't even happen?
What positive will come from this, as currently planned? Other than negative media attention (which we don't really need) what exactly is happening to help the 2nd amendment?
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I have a bad feeling about this. Something about stupid people in large groups never seems to end well.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/michelle-malkin-beware-of-ivaw-nut-ball-adam-kokesh (http://www.examiner.com/article/michelle-malkin-beware-of-ivaw-nut-ball-adam-kokesh)
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I have a bad feeling about this. Something about stupid people in large groups never seems to end well.
Isn't that how Zombie Hords get formed ?
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Isn't that how Zombie Hords get formed ?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/armed-march-on-dc-canceled/2013/05/30/6045219e-c95b-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html?hpid=z3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/armed-march-on-dc-canceled/2013/05/30/6045219e-c95b-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html?hpid=z3)
Armed march on D.C. canceled
By Peter Hermann, Thursday, May 30, 3:06 PM E-mail the writer
The activist who threatened to lead an armed march on Washington on July 4 has canceled the event but is urging people to converge on the 50 state capitols to protest gun regulations, according to his recent appearance on an Internet talk show.
“Please don’t come to Washington, D.C. Appeal on a state level,” Adam Kokesh, an Iraq war veteran, said in an interview Tuesday on “The Pete Santilli Show.” “We shouldn’t be begging the government to change. We should be hoping they respect our rights.”
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The activist who threatened to lead an armed march on Washington on July 4 has canceled the event
I would hope that he had come to his senses but more likely he didn't persuade enough people to lose theirs.