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General Categories => General Firearm Discussion => Topic started by: OnTheFly on August 16, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
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A couple of weeks ago a friend was in a Walmart (Seward?) and said that there was a considerable amount of ammo on the shelves. Just yesterday I stopped at Cabela's and found that they had a LOT of ammo and primers on the shelves. Today I went to Scheel's and they had a good selection of ammo.
Could it be that we are slowly emerging from this national stupidity?
Fly
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Could it be that we are slowly emerging from this national stupidity?
Not until prices return to pre-panic levels.
OK---Now let's all hold our breath until it happens.
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I just bought small pistol primers for pre-panic prices at Cabela's. So I'm feeling pretty confident.
Fly
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It's getting there. .22 ammo is still nonexistent for the most part, and 9mm is hard to find. Prices are still high compared to a year ago, but it's better than at the beginning of the year.
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Signs of Spring????>>>>
I just bought small pistol primers for pre-panic prices at Cabela's.
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Signs of Spring????>>>>
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There WAS a caveat though. Cabela's was advertising CCI primers on sale online. I called and they said they would match their own online price. Otherwise, I would have paid shipping too.
Fly
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.22 ammo is still nonexistent for the most part...
That's because the government is still snatching up all that .22 :laugh:
Fly
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I have a feeling that the current prices will be the new reality, regardless of the quantities setting on the shelves. Availability of Lead and its increase in price. Ditto for Copper. EPA and OSHA regs have already closed down most Lead smelting plants in the USA and import restrictions are raising the barrier to imports of foreign ammo. The "Free" market can be hamstrung by a government bent on destroying the 2A or at least highly "regulating" it.
The way things are going don't get caught spitting on the sidewalk. It will be classified as a felony for the purposes of preventing CHPs.
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It's getting there. .22 ammo is still nonexistent for the most part......
Cabelas had a bunch of CCI/.22 on the floor a couple weeks ago and Scheels (LNK) has various .22 on the shelves this last week. Both stores still practicing sale limits so the hoarders don't take over.
Speaking of hoarders.....check out http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/nebraska/all/ (http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/nebraska/all/) and see just how much ammo is now suddenly for sale. I hope the hoarders choke on all the stuff they are stuck with.
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I think its coming to an end. Last week Scheels in Lincoln had just about everything except 9mm but both Walmarts had a small selection of 9mm. Reloading powders and bullets selection a bit limited. I wanted some 168g 308s and they didn't have anything close
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Coming to an end? Anyone try to find .308 178 A-max lately? :angry:
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I've noticed in the last week that every outfit (Cabelas, Bass Pro, Guns Unlimited, & Scheels) I've haunted has had primers in stock on the shelves. Powder is a mixed bag, as are bullets. 22 ammo is still like hens teeth. 9mm is filling in with the high end self defense stuff.
I hope the light in the tunnel isn't a train :laugh:
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Speaking of hoarders.....check out http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/nebraska/all/ (http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/nebraska/all/) and see just how much ammo is now suddenly for sale. I hope the hoarders choke on all the stuff they are stuck with.
This step is actually really important to price stabilization. It means a couple things.
1: They are no longer buying up stock which means that manufacturers will quickly catch up with demand with a few ebbs and flows with people buying in bulk or the people that weren't willing to pay prices starting to replenish their depleted stock.
2: They are more likely to flood the market to compete with the manufacturers. Hopefully manufacturers keep up their ramped up production and the two sources of a market flood collide to drastically lower prices.
The reason you can't find those .308 vmax is because the manufacturers are still ramped up on FMJ...
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Why is .380 so freakin hard to find still?
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It is finally nice to see more than empty shelves.
Relatively new place in Waterloo NE had 500rd boxes of .22 for $57. Too high still but they were there. I believe it's called Eastern NE Arms.
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Workman:
Why is .380 so freakin hard to find still?
They probably run it on the same machines/manufacturing lines as 9mm.
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Workman:
They probably run it on the same machines/manufacturing lines as 9mm.
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Ahh yes, good point.
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Time to make a prediction.
IF stocks of ammo return to former availabilities it won't happen before the spring or summer of 2015. Prices will never return to former levels, and may remain as much as 50% higher.
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Time to make a prediction.
IF stocks of ammo return to former availabilities it won't happen before the spring or summer of 2015. Prices will never return to former levels, and may remain as much as 50% higher.
Well aren't you just Mr. Negative! This is supposed to be an upbeat happy thread. You need to think more happy thoughts. ;D
Fly
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You need to think more happy thoughts.
That is the mantra of those who hide under desks and wait for their bullet.
....just sayin' ..... 'cause it is the Truth.
Ammo (and components to make same) is becoming available .... but I doubt you'll see a return to pre 2012 prices ....on ammo or anything else, for that matter: the Fed is inventing money faster now than ever before, so it stands to reason that the only way prices for everything are not skyrocketing is there is reduced demand for everything.
Were it a Free Market, it would correct itself. It is not: I can not make ammo to sell to you, to meet the demand ..... unless I jump through a series of flaming Federal hoops first ......
Things will eventually correct themselves....... but it will be downright painfull when it happens.
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After the huge rise in costs from 2007 to 2010, both from inflation and an anti-gunner in the White House, I was relieved when prices went back down from 2010 to 2012, even better than 2008 prices in some cases. That was at least true for a lot of things. One thing right now that I think will have a big impact on prices is whether or not the feds really curtail ammo importation and what affect the small arms treaty will have in the international ammo market. The Russian ammo may be pretty cheap, but they have stuff that goes bang fairly reliably. The domestic manufacturers will have to stay honest with their prices a little more because of the imported ammo cheap cost, availability, and the improved lines that go bang a little better than their dirty stuff.
The end is near and you're already seeing 2012 prices on a few things. Those are mostly sales prices now compared to retail prices of 2012, but that's a really good sign. How about all of those $2,000 DPMS AR's out there :)
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Been in the New England area for the last week and stopped by a few shops...
Some stores had nothing, no ammo or firearms...some had only magazines, and a couple had a very small selection. Prices were rather inflated and such...this is still occurring even with the ridiculous things they do up here.
I visited shops both near the cities (like Boston) as well as out in the country side.
So, I would say it varies greatly by the area.
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I'm just glad I learned my lesson on the last panic and had a good supply of reloading components stashed away. I'll admit I still bought a few things at somewhat inflated prices but for the most part I was in good shape.
Now I just need to get around to swaging my own jacketed bullets....
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I'm just glad I learned my lesson on the last panic and had a good supply of reloading components stashed away. I'll admit I still bought a few things at somewhat inflated prices but for the most part I was in good shape.
Now I just need to get around to swaging my own jacketed bullets....
Funny thing...around May of this year I was getting nervous because I thought I was getting low on the factory ammo I had purchased in various lots and it didn't seem like I would ever be able to find the reloading equipment I planned to buy. Now that I have my reloading room set up, I have all the ammo rounded up and in the same location. Turns out I have over 1,200 rounds of factory 9mm left along with a reasonable store of 45ACP and 5.56.
Fly
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bkoenig quote:
had a good supply of reloading components stashed away.
OnTheFly quote: Turns out I have over 1,200 rounds of factory 9mm left along with a reasonable store of 45ACP and 5.56.
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Attention, Fellow Forum Members:
Aha!! See above postings. Turns out, Fly and bkoenig are the self-confessed Hoarders who caused it all.
BTW: Saw posted pictures of Fly's Reloading Room. Way, way, way too neat for a Serious Reloader. Bet there are no primers and powder dust on the floor, either.
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Attention, Forum Members:
Aha!! Turns out, Fly and bkoenig are the self-confessed Hoarders who caused it all.
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Having a mere 1200 rounds of 9mm factory ammo does not make one a Hoarder... ;)
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Having a mere 1200 rounds of 9mm factory ammo does not make one a Hoarder..
Got Me on That One.
Every time I see a news story where the Shocked Reporter asserts, "...and he had thousands of rounds of ammunition stored away....", I think, "Yep---sounds about right to me."
And---"Hey....I know That Guy."
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Got Me on That One.
Every time I see a news story where the Shocked Reporter asserts, "...and he had thousands of rounds of ammunition stored away....", I think, "Yep---sounds about right to me."
And---"Hey....I know That Guy."
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I know right?! That is just one more items on the list stupid things that the media says.
Fly
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Two bricks of .22 and a couple rusty Marlin 60's are "thousands of rounds of ammunition and an arsenal of semiautomatic assault weapons" to the media.
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I had a non-gun owner (not necessarily anti-gun) ask me why do you need so much ammo? I told him that you end up buying it when you find it on sale and for the time periods (such as when he asked me the question) that the gun owner community is in a stupid panic/frenzy over potential political concerns.
But, I told him the REAL reason I have so much ammo is because you don't know when the zombie apocalypse will come. Most people talk about it like it would be a bad thing, but I CAN'T WAIT.
I don't know if I made him understand or maybe he thinks I'm just a kook. Though he will be sorry when the dead walk.
(http://www.dudelol.com/img/the-things-i-would-do-during-a-zombie-apocalypse..jpeg)
Fly
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Two bricks of .22 and a couple rusty Marlin 60's are "thousands of rounds of ammunition and an arsenal of semiautomatic assault weapons" to the media.
I guess that I am an "arsenal".
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Well we might need to start using some soon ....
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My in-laws think I have an arsenal and ask my wife why I have all this stuff... my measly 4 ammo cans and a safe that is smaller than my water heater don't exactly scream arsenal... on a somewhat related note, I told one of my close friends (who happens to be a hyper-liberal) that I recently got into knifemaking and she clamped up like she saw a thousand ghosts just at the idea that I was making "weapons" that could like "kill people"... she even used those words. I told her a knife is a tool and that I've carried one almost every day since I graduated high school and it has yet to be used to kill or hurt anybody but had come in handy literally hundreds if not thousands of times and she still couldn't understand...
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I can't stand to be in the same room with a liberal, let along befriend one.
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I can't stand to be in the same room with a liberal, let along befriend one.
+1 I've unfriended all the libertards I know - online and IRL
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What ammo panic??? http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-023 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-023)
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What ammo panic??? http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-023 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-023)
At 80 cents/round for solid point .22 ammo, that's pretty steep plinking. Must be misprint.
But then, it is Colt ammo, not your Remington or Winchester stuff.
I wonder how many people placed an order thinking they were getting a full brick instead of a small box.
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But, I told him the REAL reason I have so much ammo is because you don't know when the zombie apocalypse will come. Most people talk about it like it would be a bad thing, but I CAN'T WAIT.
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Fly
(http://www.catalogclassics.com/graphics/products/large/VM2231.jpg)
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At 80 cents/round for solid point .22 ammo, that's pretty steep plinking. Must be misprint.
But then, it is Colt ammo, not your Remington or Winchester stuff.
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I read it as 1250 round box, which would be just over $0.03 per round. Good deal.
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I read it as 1250 round box, which would be just over $0.03 per round. Good deal.
1250 fps
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1250 fps
I guess the Dentist must have polished away some brain cells this AM. My bad. ??? I just didn't want to believe that that price was accurate. That's nuts.
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I read it as 1250 round box, which would be just over $0.03 per round. Good deal.
Fine print on box sez 50 Cartridges.
Fine print in ad copy sez 50 Round Box.
Not Good Deal for me.
At that price I'll find some way to reload .22LRs.
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CTD could be selling .22 ammo for $0.03 and I'd pass on it. I hate those vile bastards that much!
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primers are starting to become available
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I felt some relief last week when I was able to find 200 rnds. of .22LR at the local Walmart. Went home with my max purchase of 150...woohoo..lol
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CTD could be selling .22 ammo for $0.03 and I'd pass on it. I hate those vile bastards that much!
I don't know...for $0.03/rd, I might buy some from CTD. But I'd feel dirty and wouldn't like myself afterwards... ;)
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...ive gotten 21 8 pound jugs in the last month,...
:o Holy hand grenades Batman! Do you manufacture ammo for a job?
Fly
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all my back orders from several places all came in at once,
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.... she still couldn't understand...
But, she DID give you a classic example of her liberal tolerance!
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But, she DID give you a classic example of her liberal tolerance!
The best is when we agree on a political topic but she insists on lambasting my reasoning on why I came to the same conclusion as hers, even if hers' is drastically illogical.
The other thing that gets me is when she takes a stand on something and then a year or two later I'll bring up a story that I see in the news with swapped parties and she can't come to their defense fast enough. I giggle on the inside and occasionally call her out on it. Don't even get me started on her TM vs GZ rant...
Also, you're starting to see private sellers lower their prices to just above retail + tax. Granted it is available since going to the store may be a crap shoot, but that's a good sign.
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ive gotten 21 8 pound jugs in the last month,
IIRC, the ATF individual limit to gun power possession is 50 lbs. You're holding 168 lbs. ???
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(http://www.catalogclassics.com/graphics/products/large/VM2231.jpg)
Ya gotta LOVE that tactical chain saw! :)
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IIRC, the ATF individual limit to gun power possession is 50 lbs. You're holding 168 lbs. ???
quick, turn that gunpowder into bullets!
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quick, turn that gunpowder into bullets!
What they don't know won't hurt them and I don't believe it is an ATF rule as much as an NFPA standard.
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I will believe the ammo panic is over when I can buy 22lr at my convenience from Wal-Mart....not that I need any though.
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IIRC, the ATF individual limit to gun power possession is 50 lbs. You're holding 168 lbs. ???
I believe that is a NFPA standard.
I'm not sure the ATF has a limit. I don't recall seeing one for smokeless powder.
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...Original post deleted...
Ignore me here. I was speculating, and that isn't a good idea when discussing rules and regulations that are important.
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NFPA= National Fire Prevention Act????
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National Fire Protection Association
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I still derive a perverse pleasure when i tell someone that I can buy their Gen4 Glock for $545 new and they are asking $600 for it used.
Not that I would buy a Glock...
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National Fire Protection Association
Rod is correct here, and to add:
There's a difference between shipping and storing powder. Shipping comes under DOT regulations and storing is controlled by local jurisdictions. Most jurisdictions adopt the NFPA standards. NFPA changed a little while ago (2010). Check with your local jurisdiction (typically the Fire Marshall).
2013 NFPA (actual chapter is 495) allows residential storage for personal use of:
20-Pounds of Smokeless propellants may be kept if in the original containers. This may be increased to 50-pounds if the containers are stored in 1-inch (nominal) thick wood boxes or cabinets.
Now the NFPA itself is not law but it is the recommended code and like building codes has been adopted by most cities counties etc. that have the authority to adopt such codes, note they may use an older code and a few years ago the storage limit was lower.
If you are storing over 50 pounds of smokeless powder in a wooden storage container (magazine, yes that's what the box is called), or 20 pounds in the containers it came in; you are most likely breaking a local fire ordinance. Doing a quick look at state law, which itself does not contain anything directly about this, it would appear that the city/county ordinance would be required to have a punishment similar to a Class III Misdemeanor (three months in jail and or a $500 fine, maximum) .
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I believe that is a NFPA standard.
I'm not sure the ATF has a limit. I don't recall seeing one for smokeless powder.
I was mistaken. Mark it off to a 72 year old brain in rapid decline.
Actually I found the information here, and mistakenly attributed it to the ATF.
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf (http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/SAAMI_ITEM_200-Smokeless_Powder.pdf)
11-3.7
Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not exceedinsg 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.
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Maybe, supply is not so good in other parts of the country. :o
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894)
The "Fair ?" market is alive and well.
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So much for the OP's thought.
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Maybe, supply is not so good in other parts of the country. :o
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362794894)
The "Fair ?" market is alive and well.
Thats almost 6k rounds...figures out to about 0.09/round. So realistically not bad at all.
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at the fremont gun show Gene from 3Lee was selling primers for $37 .
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Panic must be over now.
Guns Unlimited now has Winchester AA 12ga Black Traackers, #8 shot in stock.
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Panic must be over now.
Guns Unlimited now has Winchester AA 12ga Black Traackers, #8 shot in stock.
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SEE! Case in point. I knew I was right.
Fly
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it aint over till the fat lady can buy 22 ammo
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The DC shootings, will fire the gun debate all over, and push the ammo right off the shelves again.
Feinstein is calling for more gun controls today.
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it aint over till the fat lady can buy 22 ammo
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3pm on a Sunday, Walmart in GI (south east one) had .22 ammo, in LR and magnum, sitting on the shelf.
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And the latest version of 22LR for sale.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=365959249 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=365959249)
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Prices will not go back to where they were. We have all now been accustomed to the new normal and will only have those old prices in our memories. The manufacturers know this too, and once they have the shelves somewhat stocked, they will cut production to keep them from overflowing. As long as prices are high, people will still hoard what they can and a shortage will once again be a reality because some will not buy while it's available.
I saw this coming the first time the child was elected president by his fools. Call me a hoarder, I feel good about that! 9mm was $4.99 a box and 22LR was $12 for bulk packs, and it still shoots like new!
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Well it looks like the Dems are too busy defending Obamacare to do much pushing of gun control. We still have to keep up our defense, but that does not seem to be the nations focus...for now.
Since I started reloading, I haven't had any need to go shopping for ammo. I do know it has been relatively plentiful at the local range. I have also noticed that Montana Gold seems to have stock on hand and they do not appear to have the "one case per week" limit that they had a few months ago.
It has been a month since the last post in this thread. Soooooo....are things getting any better out there?
Fly
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Any predictions on when 22lr will be available? Has anyone seen it around town, and for what price?
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Guns Unlimited (Omaha) sent out an email yesterday that they have .22LR 333-round packs just shipped in to stock.
Didn't give the price.
And FWIW, their handgun cases are now full of handguns, whereas over the summer they were just about empty.
FYI,
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Any predictions on when 22lr will be available? Has anyone seen it around town, and for what price?
That's the one thing that doesn't seem to be coming back, and prices I have seen are atrocious.
Fly
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That's the one thing that doesn't seem to be coming back, and prices I have seen are atrocious.
Fly
I've been picking a lot of 22lr lately, (last month). Walmart and Guns Unlimited for me. They don't always have it but I've scarfed up about 6k rounds. Last me a few outings at the range ;D
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I've been picking a lot of 22lr lately, (last month). Walmart and Guns Unlimited for me. They don't always have it but I've scarfed up about 6k rounds. Last me a few outings at the range ;D
Could you tell us what prices you have been paying?
Fly
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I paid 12.99 for a box of CCI MiniMags to test that Glenfield i restored.
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Win Hester 333 for $17.99. Remington. golden bullet 525 for $23.97
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Win Hester 333 for $17.99. Remington. golden bullet 525 for $23.97
Those are pretty close to pre-panic prices. Keep thinking happy thoughts folks...happy thoughts!
Fly
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I paid 12.99 for a box of CCI MiniMags to test that Glenfield i restored.
I'm not familiar with the good stuff (CCI MiniMags) since I usually buy the cheap bulk stuff. Is that near the pre-panic prices GSD?
Thanks,
Fly
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I'm not familiar with the good stuff (CCI MiniMags) since I usually buy the cheap bulk stuff. Is that near the pre-panic prices GSD?
Thanks,
Fly
I think the CCI mini mags were around ~$8 per hundred before the panic.
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I think the CCI mini mags were around ~$8 per hundred before the panic.
That's what I paid for the last CCI I bought a few months ago.
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That's what I paid for the last CCI I bought a few months ago.
It appears prices are recovering. Awesome!
Fly
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It appears prices are recovering. Awesome!
Fly
Now just need supply to recover :laugh:
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Still may be available.........
Last week I ordered ( backordered ) 5000 rds of CCI MiniMag #00030 from Midway.
$311 + freight. ETA = Sept 2014 ???
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Now just need supply to recover :laugh:
While it hasn't been plentiful, it can be found with a little diligence, as you have demonstrated.
I'm betting that full shelves aren't too far away.
Fly
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Still may be available.........
Last week I ordered ( backordered ) 5000 rds of CCI MiniMag #00030 from Midway.
$311 + freight. ETA = Sept 2014 ???
NOW we know why the shelves aren't full. Thanks Koz! ;D
Fly
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CCI pre-panic was around $8. I needed it quick, so I knew I was going to get *******. ( I did that censoring on purpose)
As long as people keep running out and buying everything they can get their hands on, supply and prices will not return to normal. There are still people that go to walmart and the sporting goods stores just to buy as much as they can.
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CCI pre-panic was around $8. I needed it quick, so I knew I was going to get *******. ( I did that censoring on purpose)
As long as people keep running out and buying everything they can get their hands on, supply and prices will not return to normal. There are still people that go to walmart and the sporting goods stores just to buy as much as they can.
yea. and they try and sell it on armslist for triple what they payed for it
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I contributed to the panic and bought an AR15 in September (I figured if the government doesn't want me to have one, I need one.) Sorta like you can't fire me, I quit. $200 for 500 .223 remanufactured rounds didn't seem like a bad price. A lot cheaper than shooting my Garand (even though I haven't shot my AR yet - Doh!)
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I know the panic is coming to an end when an AR is cheaper at Scheels than at Walmart!
Yesterday price check on DPMS flattop Sportical:
Wallyworld - $617 Scheels - $599
66bigblock
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It sounds like as soon as 22LR is back in stock, the end of the panic will be "facebook official."
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I know the panic is coming to an end when an AR is cheaper at Scheels than at Walmart!
Yesterday price check on DPMS flattop Sportical:
Wallyworld - $617 Scheels - $599
66bigblock
That is a GOOD sign.
Fly
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The Panic may be over, but tprices still reflect the horrendous inflation cause by making money out of nothin' ......abouth 10 years ago, I bought a brick of 500 .22lr in a small town hardware store (Arapahoe, NE) - hardly teh near end of the supply chain, and certainly not beneiftting from volume business ....
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what was the average cost of plinking ammo in 223 prior to all this nonsense?
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what was the average cost of plinking ammo in 223 prior to all this nonsense?
Prior to the panic, Ghost of the Past and I did a buy and got it for around $0.32/round.
http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,4997.msg36717.html#msg36717 (http://nebraskafirearms.org/forum/index.php/topic,4997.msg36717.html#msg36717)
ETA: Keep in mind, that was a reasonably good deal even for those times.
Fly
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Well...is it? From what I have been seeing, .22LR is coming back in stock, albeit at a slight higher price than before the panic. Powder is trickling in. Other reloading supplies seem to be out there.
Fly
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Why is .380 so freakin hard to find still?
It's not. All you have to do is be willing to pay 20-22 bucks a 50, or 39 bucks a 100 for FMJ. Or you could pay 11 cents a round and hand load it.
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If there is a chance that fiat wealth could lose all or most of its value it makes sense to invest in things that have intrinsic value, and in a situation like that there's little that will have more intrinsic value than ammo. It seems like I saw a bumper sticker that said something like this: ammo: the currency of the new millennium.
Inflation is kind of a sneaky devil. Ammo might get back to its pre-Obama cost but still cost more dollars than it did before. The inflation is thanks to Obama too.
I don't know what's going on with .22 ammo, unless maybe the industry just decided that they had been selling it for too little. I got an ad from CDNN a few days ago offering solid lead .22 in a 500 round brick for $49.99 (plus shipping), with a limit, like it was some super fantastic deal. I used to get those things for ten bucks.
I remember quite a few years ago seeing ammo being offered that was made with some kind of plastic or polymer instead of brass cases; it was advertised as being reloadable many times, at least as good as brass, and it cost less. It was only offered for a very short time and then I never saw it again. You'd think that with the technology we have ammo components that are hard to get could be made with something else. Unless some force is stopping that from happening.