A lot of material that I've been reading states that you do NOT have to ID unless a LEO can express RAS. This is a "stop and identify" state but even the rules for that are the same in that a LEO has to be able to articulate that you've committed a crime or reasonably believe that you are about to commit a crime. But, I wonder how this relates to having a CHP in that this is a "duty to inform" state if you are carrying concealed. If you are involved in a traffic stop there's no doubt that you have to ID but what if you're parked somewhere or are walking around and a LEO makes contact. I understand that the duty to inform is still in play but do you have to prove you have a CHP or do you have to ID at all if you're not engaged in criminal activity? I guess part of the answer is that we have permitless carry now but do you still have to ID after informing the officer that you are CCing? You're not committing a crime just for CCing or even OCing as long as you're not in a prohibited place. "duty to inform" seems like a violation of the 4th amendment anyway and maybe even the 5th amendment. I guess to put it simply, do you have to provide ID even with duty to inform if you haven't committed a crime? It's my understanding that cops aren't well versed in constitutional rights and case law so we need to educate ourselves.