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John says "Randomness" is important in training...
« on: September 14, 2013, 07:59:03 AM »
...and that means you can't use a timer.

Heretic!  How dare you say that timers are useless! 

....oh wait, he didn't say that.  But I wrote an article commenting about training styles, using a timer, AND using randomness in training anyway. :)

http://precisionresponse.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/timers-and-practice/

This references John's post:  http://www.mwts-training.com/blog/training-blog/thingstoconsiderbeforechasingthetimerpartvrandomness 

...so you might take a look at that one first.

The Basic idea:

When practicing, there are a number of different categories of things you can practice.
  • Specific skills
  • Applications of said skills
  • Tactics regarding said applications
  • Stress scenarios requiring said tactics

....and which category you are practicing determines how you practice (duh!) and in some categories the timer is incredibly useful, and in others it either is useless, or is detrimental.

It is important to know what type of practice is most effective for which category of learning you are planning to be doing.   
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Re: John says "Randomness" is important in training...
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 06:02:22 PM »
I am out of state, and on my phone, so I'll try to keep this brief and to the point:

Definition of "chasing the timer," that I am referencing in my blog post: it is the only, and most important metric in any and all of your training, or nearly so. You allow the LCD screen to rule everything, and dismiss anything and everything, (technique, training method, etc) that hurts you on that one metric.

(reference the part in bold near the top of each part)

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    All I am suggesting is, that for practical/tactical training, there are some things to think about before spending all of your limited training ammo and time trying to beat any of Jerry Miculek's records.

I would actually have to disagree with you on one point: that "using" the timer is sometimes useless, and even detrimental. My definition of "using": another one, of several, metrics to take into account, and assist, in your evaluation of self or others.

That's right folks: this is a twilight episode. I am more "pro shot timer" than JTH!

The key being: there is a big difference between "using" and "chasing." I would honestly say that I can't imagine a training situation where _using_ a shot timer is bad.

Of course, depending what you are working on, and your current skill level, the timer should carry more weight or less. I like how Thomas broke it down, and would generally agree that his #1 category is where the timer carries the most weight.

But on the flip side, I don't think that the timer never carries weight. When I run a simple transition drill, where that is the sole training objective, I can get under 1.5 sec transitions. Now, if I am running some other drill with some other training objective and a stoppage occurs, my time can sometimes get up to 3 or more. (Neither of those times are very good BTW)

Which one of those times are going to carry more weight? The one where the training objective was a transition. Why? Because that is where I am trying to improve that specific task, and conditions are the most comparable, therefore the times are most comparable.

Now which time is really more relevant/realistic? The latter. Why? Because the conditions, especially mental state, are more realistic. I still look at this time and try to ascertain why it was slower. This is the time where I REALLY want to see improvement, and if my transition specific drill is not making an improvement there, then maybe I need to change the way I run that drill. In other words: I am not running transition specific drills to improve on those drills, I am running them to improve on the training objectives.
 
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Re: John says "Randomness" is important in training...
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 06:14:35 PM »
Also, my I have the topic of my new blog post :)

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Re: John says "Randomness" is important in training...
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 12:16:15 PM »
I spend most of this post agreeing with Thomas, just rephrasing or offering a different perspective.

http://www.mwts-training.com/blog/training-blog/shottimersusingversuschasingsequel