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Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« on: October 15, 2014, 10:58:52 AM »
After listening the the CYA exercise at the Dallas hospital this morning I decided to investigate a little more deeply some of the claims being made.


The only way you can guarantee that you do not have Ebola is if there has been the passage of 30 days between your last contact with ANY PERSON or object not currently in your home.  Why?

The CDC describes the received wisdom as to how Ebola is spread.
They are
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/
1) contact with bodily fluids
2) contact with objects contaminated with bodily fluids
3) bodily fluids from infected animals


They make a point of claiming that Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, by food, mosquitoes or other insects,   except for bush meat or bat bites,

Basically, the claim is that until a person with Ebola begins exhibiting symptoms uninfected people are not at risk during contact with infected people.    That is based on their claim that Ebola is  only transmitted by contact with  bodily fluids (sweat, sputum, blood, vomit and bowel ejections).   

The big number tossed around for the incubation period is 21 days.  So, the claim most often made (causes the least concern) is that a person who contracts Ebola won't be infective until they exhibit symptoms, or for about 21 days.  Is that the same as claiming that the Ebola virus won't migrate to the sweat glands until after 21 days,  or that contact with blood from a wound on an infected person won't be infective until after 21 days? What about feminine hygiene products discarded by an infected woman  during a menstrual period occurring before the 21 days has elapsed?  Or sex between an infected partner and an  uninfected partner before the 21st day?  Obviously that involves the exchange of bodily fluids.  In today's promiscuous atmosphere where people have multiple sex partners even on the same day or within 21 days, that becomes a severe transmission vector.

Equally obvious is that from the day of infection until the 21st day, or when symptoms began to appear, the viral load of Ebola in an infected person increases exponentially, increasing the risk of transmission of Ebola by bodily fluids or discarded sanitary products.   And, many normal activities like shaking hands (sweat), kissing (saliva) or sex cause the exchange of bodily fluids.

To make matters worse, WHO states that:
The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days.   Not the most often claimed "21 days".


Therefore, NO expert on Ebola transmission can guarantee that a transmission of Ebola from an infected person to an uninfected person cannot occur prior to the 21st day.

The news conference is Dallas today during which they announced that a second nurse was infected with Ebola was mainly an exercise in CYA by the people in charge because they supplied no other information except to cover their own rears.   As one news reporter pointed out, the L5 hospital in Omaha, Nebraska treated 5 Ebola patients without a single staff member contracting the disease.  The Texas hospital has treated only one Ebola patient and two nurses have been infected.  NO amount of CYA can cover that gross example of managerial incompetence.   Yet, they blame the nurses.

IF infected people who do not show symptoms can leave bodily fluids of one form or another in the environment, or on, or in other people, then the claim of 21 days is bogus.  If a person can began showing symptoms 2 days after infection, as some cases have reported, then there is no such thing as a "safe" period of contact with an infected individual.

I suspect that if the general public learns about this information the result will be a massive negative affect on political and social gatherings, shopping, theater business, eating out, and even school attendance.   Who knows what else?   It is also obvious that the FIVE L5 containment hospitals around the US, of which one is in Omaha, does NOT have the facilities to treat a flood of infected people.  Those facilities will be reserved for the "elite".  Where will the rest be put for treatment, if there is enough medical supplies to treat them?
[tin foil hat on]FEMA camps?[/tin foil hat off]
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 11:44:22 AM »
 I keep telling myself,  36,000 people die from regular old flue every year,

  gotta watch this close, I got a funny feeling, like the Indians are out there screaming for hair!


   maybe, just maybe!
   http://cluborlov.blogspot.be/2014/10/ebola-and-five-stages-of-collapse.html
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 02:50:52 PM »
Interesting link.

The authorities are claiming that they can tell when an infected person become communicable by monitoring their temperature.   However, that is not true in all cases.
It  has been reported in the LA Times that:
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The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic.

U.S. health officials have repeatedly emphasized that fever is a reliable sign of infectiousness. As a defense against the spread of the virus to this country, the Obama administration has ordered that passengers arriving from West Africa at five U.S. airports be checked for fever.

The CDC reported that the second Dallas healthcare worker, Amber Joy Vinson, traveled on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth while symptomatic.   

All 132 passengers on the flight are being asked to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800 232-4636). Public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight Wednesday afternoon.  What could they possible ask which would identify anyone who had, or would admit to, contact with Vinson?  Most would, for financial reasons, revert to a form of denial, not believing that they could be infected "because Vinson looked OK".
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Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has said that about 150 air passengers per day — or 1,050 per week — enter the U.S. from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, the countries at the heart of the outbreak.
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It's  obvious that all 150 of those people do not arrive on the same plane at the same time.  On any given day there are at least three flights from Liberia flying to Kansas City, for example.  If each flight held 250 passengers then 600 people are exposed, or roughly 4,200 people per week!   Twelve percent of those infected among the 4,200 will NOT show a temperature when tested at the destination airport, even though they are infectious.   So, 500 infected passengers could be mixing into Kansas City's population and spreading the disease.

I formulated my initial optimism for containing Ebola based on the Dallas Texas Presbyterian Hospital, a typical and average hospital,  being able to contain the virus.  It is obvious that the virus escaped into the population of the medical staff.  Only time will reveal how far outside that population it traveled.  We'll know within 30 days, but I am no longer optimistic.  So far, only L5 facilities have been able to treat the virus without crossover contamination.  Thirty days will not be enough time to bring other "normal" hospital staffs up to speed on adequate containment measures.

We will be paying a severe penalty for dumbing down our educational systems, or our institutions being managed by people incompetent in everything except covering their own rears.

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2014, 03:15:58 PM »
 Rush had a good point today. everyone is talking about the woman flying TO texas.  I wonder how she got TO Cleveland.

   stand by for updates from WKRP radio, Less Nessman is on top of this!
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 03:24:43 PM »
They don't tell anyone the truth about anything else, why should this be any different? 
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 03:26:54 PM »
 Rush had a good point today. everyone is talking about the woman flying TO texas.  I wonder how she got TO Cleveland.

   stand by for updates from WKRP radio, Less Nessman is on top of this!


oh God....

it might be time for me to stop reading ebola threads, quit watching the news, and quit listening to the patriot channel....

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 06:17:08 PM »

oh God....

it might be time for me to stop reading ebola threads, quit watching the news, and quit listening to the patriot channel....

Ah, but don't forget ... putting your head into the sand raises your butt into the air.  It is a much bigger target! ;)

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 07:22:15 PM »
Ebola has been welcomed into this country with open arms, accepted with a grin on our face. To date the only thing that made any since was not allowing travel to the US. from affected areas. We are talking about the government who are famous for taking something simple and making it complicated and then effin it up.

Why shouldn't she be allowed to fly around in the country if we allow them to fly into the country. Talk about a cluster f**k.

The big talk on Hannity was about the first nurse's dog. Are you serious, that just shows how we are not taking this serious. Put the mutt down and burn the carcass.

Around 250 heath care workers have contracted ebola and died. Our hospitals definitely aren't ready for everyone that walks in with a fever. The head of the CDC seems to biggest idiot of all, I think Obama is going to use him for his fall guy.
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2014, 08:27:52 PM »
I've heard all different conspiracy of why our country would allow ebola in here, from population control to martial law. One that kinda makes since is big pharma needs a source of sick people that are able to pay for what they are peddling, well that and our president keeps trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2014, 08:34:45 PM »
CDC (Centers for Disease Confusion) we should put all worries to rest when they are on the job. :laugh:
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2014, 09:39:51 PM »
I found it interesting that Obama put a flight quarantine on Israel in an attempt to force it to submit to outrageous terrorists demands, but then says the flight quarantines aren't workable for stopping people from West Africa from entering this country.  Nice double standard and classic Orwellian NewSpeak.

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2014, 09:49:12 PM »
You Won't Believe This!
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cdc-you-can-give-can-t-get-ebola-bus
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Dr. Tom Frieden, director for the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said during a telephone press briefing Wednesday that you cannot get Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus, but that infected or exposed persons should not ride public transportation because they could transmit the disease to someone else.

WHAT?   ???   ???   ???
I can't get Ebola setting next to someone on a bus, but if that someone has Ebola they can give it to me?  Only an incompetent manager trying to CYA will attempt to foist that one on the American public.

Frieden is brain dead if he thinks that Orwellian DoubleSpeak will fly with anyone.  Even a HS graduate should be able to see the contradiction!

However, the potential movement of lots of people potentially infected with Ebola could be the kernel of the excuse to establish martial law -- to control the movement of everyone in order to control the movement of those infected people.  Considering what the administration has done so far, such a possibility is not imaginary or impossible.
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 10:04:13 PM »
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I suspect that if the general public learns about this information the result will be a massive negative affect on political and social gatherings, shopping, theater business, eating out, and even school attendance.   Who knows what else?

You nailed it, GG.

Looky here what happened right here in Nebraska with the 1918 flu epidemic:
http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/1918/your_state/midwest/nebraska/index.html
You'll recognize all the names of places.

Looks like a very close parallel for what's happening now.


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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 11:01:18 PM »
 from the white house.

  just the first 2 minutes!

   

   
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2014, 05:44:16 PM »
ABC News is reporting that the 2nd nurse, Vinson, was showing symptoms BEFORE she flew to Cleveland, Ohio.

So now the CDC has to locate everyone else on that outbound flight and everyone else they came in contact with. If, for example, 250 were on that first flight, and each of those were in contact with 50 other people, that's an additional 1,250 exposed people.  Vinson alone may be responsible for spreading Ebola to more than 2,000 people, and she took the second flight, and perhaps the first, with the permission of the CDC!

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 11:50:34 AM »
I saw this A.M. that there is a Carnival Cruise ship that is quarantined in Belize because one of the passengers is a health care worker who may have handled  infectious samples from the Texas patient.

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2014, 03:13:28 PM »
I saw that.  There is also a report of a tour bus at the pentagon.  A women recently from Libera was on the bus and began vomiting.  Everybody on the bus is now exposed.

Here is a map plotting the appearance of Ebola infections around the world:
https://ebola-outbreaks.silk.co/explore/map/collection/ebola-outbreaks/location/reported-human-cases

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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2014, 07:18:09 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/17/obama-to-name-ebola-czar/


It looks like he is still trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
I don't know about you but I will be sleeping easier with a democratic political lobbyists as our ebola czar. REALLY!!!
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Re: Ebola Incubation period is 21 days?
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2014, 07:22:38 PM »
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