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Offline depserv

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Israeli Combat Shooting
« on: December 01, 2015, 09:32:12 AM »


This looks interesting but I like the way we do things here better, even though the Israelis have had a lot of experience and are well respected.
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2015, 07:21:43 PM »
Very interesting.
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 08:02:02 PM »
No thanks.  Some things are worse than death.  Looking / acting like this dude may well be one of them.
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 08:02:46 PM »


This looks interesting but I like the way we do things here better, even though the Israelis have had a lot of experience and are well respected.

Best response from the comments, IMO:

Horribly inefficient, slow, dangerous and you expend way too much energy. Please don't advocate this to people who are actually trying to learn tactical dynamic shooting techniques that will be effective in a high-stress scenario. Your chicken/crab wing is probably the worst part of it all.?

Indeed, there are many things to admire regarding the IDF and their military/anti-terrorist actions.  However, their pistol training is not one of them.  There is a reason that no one in the U.S. who trains serious people uses any of this crap.

The speaker doesn't understand anything about "gross motor skill" and "fine motor skill," it amuses me that one of his justifications for the wide-elbows-out chickenwing is "fighting in confined spaces," it is a serious waste of time to carry condition 3 (they teach it that way for a reason in the IDF, and we don't have that reason---or at least you shouldn't), and....heck, this could go on and on.

But it has already been done.  :)

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2014/09/24/kosher-costa-and-the-bottomless-pit-of-israeli-tactical-derp/

The comments are fun.

Even better, a guy  (a Serious High Level Tier 0 UberTactical REAL LIFE trainer from Israel and You'd Better Believe It) wrote a response to it that was pretty long, and almost (on occasion) sounded good but pretty much didn't have any real content.

http://tacticalmashup.com/an-essay-on-internet-operators-armchair-judging-israeli-training/

...the best part was that THIS guy had already been the subject of a different post:

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2014/09/22/cursory-safety-check-then-point-guns-at-eachother-and-pull-the-trigger/

As he points out, there is some decent stuff in that second video.  (Quite unlike the first.)  ....which doesn't change the fact that there is a LOT of derp there, too.

So: 

IMO, very large NO regarding this type of thing.  :)
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2015, 08:19:20 PM »
I am guessing the high elbow presentation is necessary to clear some explosive vests? :o

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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 09:45:03 PM »
If only Sgt. Alvin York had walked around flapping his arms like that.  He could have taken out even more Krauts for sure.
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 10:42:50 PM »
@jthhapkido - you wouldn't want to try this spiral presentation while you're shooting left-handed.  The left spiral would counter the rifling, not allowing the bullet to stabilize and causing it to tumble.  This is an advanced technique for right-handed shooting only!   :P
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Re: Israeli Combat Shooting
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2015, 09:43:51 AM »
@jthhapkido - you wouldn't want to try this spiral presentation while you're shooting left-handed.  The left spiral would counter the rifling, not allowing the bullet to stabilize and causing it to tumble.  This is an advanced technique for right-handed shooting only!   :P

:)  Nice. :)
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