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Offline Rodney Moorhead

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In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason. In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.

The firearm transaction at issue occurred on January 16, 2010, at a gunshow at the North Austin Events Center, at 10601 N. Lamar Blvd., in Austin, Texas. Undercover ATF agents followed Mr. Huerta, his son, and another Hispanic male, Hipolito Aviles, around the "Texas Gunshow" that day, and claimed to observe Huerta?s transaction. Austin P.D. used Copeland?s case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.

Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Driver?s License. At Copeland?s trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.

"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," commented Paul Velte, attorney and founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin. Velte asked, "who was in a better position to know the buyer?s immigration status, the buyer or the seller?" He also said, "What happened to Paul Copeland should enrage all Americans. The Federal Government is using illegal aliens to entrap citizens lawfully exercising their right to sell firearms. The illegal alien walks free, but the citizen gets convicted. The same government charged with controlling immigration is the one using illegal immigrants to attack its own citizens. Does this make any sense? It makes no sense unless the purpose is to discourage attendance at gunshows and frighten citizens from selling their firearms to other citizens."

Velte pointed out that "There is no way for a citizen to know who is here legally or not. In fact, under Austin?s ?sanctuary city? policy, not even the police officer at the door of the gunshow was allowed to ask a person?s immigration status, yet the average Texan inside the show is expected to assume that a person standing before them with a Texas driver?s license is in the country illegally just because they look Mexican and speak Spanish." Velte noted that the federal government?s lawsuit against Arizona was based on that very type of conduct: Concluding someone could be here illegally based on their looks or their language. Velte said gun owners in his group are outraged, and they want to know:

1.Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?
2.Why does he still have a Texas Driver?s license?
3.Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?
4.What has he been promised for his cooperation?
5.Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).
6.Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?
Judge Sparks sentenced Copeland on August 27 to six months confinement and 24 months of probation, and called Copeland "a liar" for not admitting guilt. ATF confiscated Copeland?s entire gun collection and initiated forfeiture proceedings.  Copeland was also fired from his job due to the indictment, and he would have lost his home to foreclosure, if not for his family stepping in to pay his mortgage while he serves his sentence.
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 12:53:40 PM »
Soooo, Racial profiling is OK now as long as it is only used during firearms transactions? Gotcha.
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 02:25:26 PM »
OMFG! WTF?     

Sorry that's all I got. Lost for words on this one!
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2010, 07:57:27 PM »
I'm completely SURPRISED.   Oh yeah? :angry9:
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 12:43:43 AM »
This is complete B.S.  Why would anybody believe an illegal immigrant could be issued a DL in the first place?  I think it would be impossible to get one if you weren't legal.  This should also serve as a reminder to be careful who you sell your firearms to folks.  This could easily happen to any one of us if you don't request a person show you a firearm purchase certificate/CCW permit before making a private sale.
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 08:31:17 AM »
Is this a hoax, there is nothing at all on USA vs Copeland that I can find?

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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 10:56:17 AM »
This is from the TSRA link:

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On Saturday three young Hispanic men came by Mr. Copeland's table and asked about a handgun.  One wanted to make a purchase and Mr. Copeland asked him if he had identification.  The intended purchaser did not, although one in the group produced a Texas driver's license.  The three moved on.

Three times the three young man came by the table and on the third pass, the young man with the driver's license, produced the cash, and bought the handgun.   Evidently the gun was passed off, almost immediately, inside or outside the building, to another of the three.  This man, not only had no identification, he was an illegal alien.

I bet there is more to this story.  Copeland was convicted for a participating in a straw purchase.  Even if you don't have an FFL you can't sell a gun to a person you know, or have reason to know, is a prohibited person.

It could be total crap, or the jury may have gotten it right.  There is a lot of emotion and not a lot of facts put into the articles.

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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 11:37:00 PM »
Nice one ATF. I just love entrapment, it's so easy.
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2010, 05:58:14 PM »
how does an illegal person have a drivers license ???????

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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2010, 07:44:38 PM »
He obtains it illegally!!!
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 05:56:56 AM »
He obtains it illegally!!!

Or, in some states... legally.   ::)  ???

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According to a Congressional Research Report of Sept. 13, 2005, ?Summary of State Laws on the Issuance of Driver?s Licenses to Undocumented Aliens,? those states are: Connecticut, Georgia, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and West Virginia.

In the following states, according to the CRS report, legal residence is not required to apply for a driver's license: Alaska, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. In addition, states that have verification loopholes are: the District of Columbia, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Tennessee.
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Re: Feds convict man for selling to an illegal with a Texas drivers license
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 08:51:14 AM »
This is unbelievable... I have no other words.