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ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« on: December 17, 2010, 12:48:43 PM »
ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is moving to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of modern sporting rifles beginning January 5, 2011. Specifically, the ATF requirement calls for firearms retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

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http://www.nssfblog.com/atf-to-require-multiple-sales-reports-for-long-guns/


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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 01:34:56 PM »
Uhhh... Since when is list making / list keeping by the Feds allowed?
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 03:11:37 PM »
Uhhh... Since when is list making / list keeping by the Feds allowed?

Since before 1929, and don't think for one minute they haven't been.
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 03:29:41 PM »
I guess I've always been under the impression that the only permanent documentation allowed was the form 4473 that stayed with the FFL where the original purchase was made and the dealers log book.

Do you know which forms are used for this? How about specific laws / case law permiting this?
(Other than the other "illegal" ATF requirement for reporting of multiple sales of handguns.)
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 09:36:30 PM »
Well, the Washington Post is at it again.  

I'm watching Greta (on Fox News) as I write this and she is interviewing Sara Horowitz from the Washington Post, spouting all kinds of crap.   They are claiming a "year-long undercover investigation" on the source of guns used by the drug cartels in Mexico.  

She is talking about how 60,000 guns have been traced to legal sales in Texas, Arizona and California.

I don't like that Greta gave this woman a platform to spout these lies.  

At least they know how to recycle (the same old crap).
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 08:45:10 PM »
Feds Seek to Implement Unconstitutional Power Grab
 
The Obama administration just can?t stop blaming the Second Amendment for violence perpetrated by Mexican drug cartels.
 
In the latest brazen attempt to circumvent the Constitution, Obama and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) are seeking to implement rules that will subject American gun dealers to even more onerous paperwork requirements.
 
A new proposed rule will, for the first time, establish the precedent that licensed firearms dealers will be required (by administrative fiat) to report to the government the sale of two or more semi-automatic rifles that are .22 caliber or greater, can accept a detachable magazine, and are purchased by the same person within five business days.
 
In a move that bypasses the elected representatives of the people (the Congress), the new rules could be instituted by regulatory fiat as quickly as January 5, 2011.
 
This idea was concocted more than a year ago by New City Mayor Michael Bloomberg?s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that only seems to focus on punishing legal gun owners.
 
Even worse, the final decision on implementing this plan will be up to the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), headed by Cass Sunstein.  In 2009, GOA opposed the confirmation of Sunstein, who would like to ban hunting and allow animals to have legal representation in court.
 
This mandate will not only violate federal statutory law prohibiting a federal gun registry, it will also give the BATFE another excuse to harass American gun dealers, while doing nothing to address the problem of border violence.
Drug cartels are financed to the tune of the billions of dollars.  They finance disposable submarines, tunnels between the two countries, and large shipments of weapons from rogue nations.  Cartels have bribed Mexican officials at the highest levels to the tune of millions of dollars, and have taken effective control of entire cities in Mexico.  To suggest that adding yet another layer of paperwork requirements to U.S. gun dealers will help to stem the violence is ludicrous.  This is simply another attempt to ratchet down on the right to keep and bear arms.
 
The Second Amendment is not the cause of border, drug-related violence.  And as violence increasingly occurs on our side of the border, Second Amendment rights become even more important for self-protection.
 
Gun Owners of America is submitting comments opposing these new rules and is urging members of Congress to slam the brakes on this proposal.
 
ACTION:  Please urge your Representative and Senators to oppose this abuse of federal power.  Click here to send a  pre-written letter that includes two specific steps that members of Congress can take immediately, and it also urges them to prepare, if necessary, to push legislation to overturn this unlawful act.
 
It is especially important for licensed gun dealers to take these actions, so please pass this alert on to your local gun store.
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 07:37:43 AM »
In a response to The Post article, The Heritage Foundation has published an article "Yet Again, Media Exaggerates Scale of Gun Smuggling from U.S. Into Mexico":


The Washington Post today ran a lengthy front-page story headlined ?As Mexico drug violence runs rampant, U.S. guns tied to crime south of border.? The title pretty much sums it up: the Post states that an ?unprecedented number of American guns [are flowing] to the murderous drug cartels across the border? and that this is fueling the violent battle between drug runners and the Mexican government.

Of course, one reason that battle has turned violent is because the Mexican government of Felipe Calderon is trying, for the first time, to crack down on the gangs, who ? not surprisingly ? are fighting back. The writ of the Mexican state has never run throughout Mexico, and it has often been undermined by corruption. The U.S. has much to gain from Calderon?s efforts, and it is in no way a criticism of Calderon to point out that violence in Mexico is driven by Mexican causes, and must find a Mexican solution.

Link to full article . . .

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/12/13/yet-again-media-exaggerates-scale-of-gun-smuggling-from-u-s-into-mexico/
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 06:38:22 PM »
Where does this stand now? Has anyone heard any more?
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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 07:20:17 PM »
What I heard is that as of this morning the ATF has not been given the go ahead to implement this.  There is some other agency that has to sign off on it first and so far the comments pointing out that this is an illegal policy seems to be working, that can change anytime.

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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 09:29:35 AM »
Some recent updated info on sales from the NRA  http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6110.

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Re: ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 12:03:43 PM »
Wasn't this only to apply to border states?

I realize this is preaching to the choir but how about we secure the border then the (imaginary) flow of weapons south & the very real flow of drugs & illegals north would greatly diminish. Why is that so hard to implement? The real problem is 'they' don't care about solving the problem. We know the Cartels are getting their weapons (select-fire true assault weapons, hand-grenades, grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, body armor,etc) from the Mexican army & police and Central America anyway- not from Sporting goods stores in Arizona & Texas. Take a look at those displays after a bust and tell me where these guys are shopping? 
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