Author Topic: LB430 UPDATE 5/13/09: LB430 Passes 45-3; thank the Senators (Read 25870 times)

Chris Z · « **Reply #200 on:** April 24, 2009, 04:59:52 PM »

As I read the law, as long as you don't leave the vehicle with the firearm on school grounds you are FINE. If you leave the vehicle it must be locked up in a container, or glove box

bullit · « **Reply #201 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:36:00 PM »

Now, to muddy the confusion even more......there are no laws prohibiting OC in Nebraska. I swing buy the campus bookstore and leave my gun on the front seat (I would not really do that, but just playing devil's advocate). Is LB430 intended to apply only to CHP holders?
See what happens when you can't look to other states who are getting right for guidance?

Aldo · « **Reply #202 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:47:31 PM »

Yes, FLUFF, as CZ noted, one must have the the handgun already locked up prior to exiting the vehicle. Because this issue came up during the debate on the Senate floor about the public getting frightened if someone should leave their vehicle and then take out their handgun and then place it in the trunk, Sen Christensen made a Floor Amendment (FA31) that was adopted Thursday (April 23) to take care of this issue along with the one about the saddlebag on a motorcycle.

Here is Sen Christensen's Floor Amendment:

Floor Amendment To LB430
Introduced by Christensen, 44.
Amend AM1132 On page 1, line 8 after the word "if" strike "upon" and insert "prior to" On page
1, line 11 strike "saddle bag or" and insert "hardened" On page 2, line 1 strike the word "upon" and
insert "prior to"

So, 2 things that come out of the Floor Amendment:

1) as CZ noted, the individual must lock up the gun inside the vehicle "prior to" exiting the vehicle; and 2) no more considering a locked saddlebag for a motorcycle...there must now be a "hardened" compartment on the motorcycle since there was a concern that the saddlebag could easily be cut off from the motorcycle and stolen (with the handgun in it).

Actually, a third thing that comes out of that FA31.....Sen Christensen's continued willingness to cooperatively work with his peers and the constituents. I personally find it incredible that he found the university folks and Chief Cassidy amenable to wordsmithing with him; being a university employee, I NEVER would have imagined that the NU folks would have given an inch about this issue. So, I am one happy dude. Way cool!

P.S. Sorry that my notes from the debate didn't include FA31.....Sen Christensen had his office aides working feverishly on the side doing some wordsmithing based on the real-time concerns going on....and I must have blinked....or more likely nodded off from the doldrum of Sen Nantke's and Sen McGill's nonsensical ramblings...and Sen Christensen must have slipped that FA31 in there; pretty smart move on his part to hold the coalition of supporters together!!

Josh1776 · « **Reply #203 on:** April 28, 2009, 09:03:20 PM »

If a school sponsors an activity at a public location, such as a car wash in the local Wal-mart parking lot, would a CCW permit holder be guilty of illegal possesion of a firearm if the CCW permit holder entered the parking lot during the time of the school sponsored car wash? Reference Final Reading copy of LB430, Paragraph 28-1204.04(1), Page 22 Lines 20-23 and Page 23 Lines 16-21. It appears to me the school carry prohibition in LB430 applies to school sponsored activies on and off school property. Am I reading this correctly?

Chris Z · « **Reply #204 on:** April 28, 2009, 09:06:27 PM »

Foggy language, no question. I think mainly meant to address school football games and such..

Josh1776 · « **Reply #205 on:** April 28, 2009, 09:14:59 PM »

I was hoping that was the intent. I obtained my CCW permit a few months ago and have been trying to learn the crazy maze of laws. I obey the law, pay my taxes, and could get arrested and labled a criminal because someone put a "No CCW" sticker in their window!

Aldo · « **Reply #206 on:** April 28, 2009, 09:47:30 PM »

According to Senator Christensen, the final reading of LB 430 should be either this Thursday/Friday (April 30/May 1) or next Thursday/Friday (May 7/8).

Here is an e-mail that I sent to him, and then his response:

Dear Senator Christensen,

I am not that familiar with the time line process now that the bill is moving to the E&R Final engrossing stage. Do you know about how long a time that will take before LB 430 will be back on the legislative agenda?

Regards,

XYXYXYXYXY
Lincoln

XYXXYXXYX,

Generally the next week on Thursday or Friday, which ever is the last day of the week? He skips some weeks on doing final readings. I expect this week but we could pass over this week.

Mark Christensen

FarmerRick · « **Reply #207 on:** April 28, 2009, 10:15:54 PM »

I sent an email to Speaker Flood today asking if he thought an emergency clause would be appropriate for LB430. It would make the changes take effect as soon as the bill is signed by the Governor. I'll update if I get a response.

OnTheFly · « **Reply #208 on:** April 29, 2009, 08:14:36 AM »

Here is another Senator's reply I have received...

Quote from: Cornett

Thank you for your email. I support LB 430 and it's intent.

And another one today...

Quote from: Fischer

Dear Greg,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding LB 430 and the proposed amendments.

LB 430 has advanced to Final Reading with AM 1132 and AM 1192. I support the bill in its current form.

I appreciate you taking the time to contact me with your views on this important issue.

Fly

Roper · « **Reply #209 on:** April 30, 2009, 08:52:46 AM »

Senator Wallman is on board as well.

Josh1776 · « **Reply #210 on:** April 30, 2009, 10:19:49 PM »

Here is an e-mail that I sent to Sen. Pirsch, and his response:

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Senator Pirsch:

I urge you to support the adoption of AM 1132 to LB 430. I urge you to support the 2nd Ammendment.

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Mr. XXXX:

Thank you for your email and your input on AM 1132 to LB 430. It is greatly appreciated. I am a very strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Please keep in touch as the session advances. My office number is XXX-XXX-XXXX. Which neighborhood do you live in by the way? Thanks again.

Warm Regards,
Sen. Pete Pirsch

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Senator Pirsch:

I know you're very busy, so thank you for personally responding to my emial! Thank you for supporting LB430 and the 2nd Ammendment! I live in the XXXX neighborhood. I'll continue following the session advances of LB430 daily along with my peers in the Nebraska Firearms Owners Association. I recenlty obtained my CCW permit and have been researching all the CCW laws to make sure I obey them all. The maze of Nebraska state and city laws regarding CCW is very frustrating because I obey the law, pay my taxes, and yet could be arrested and labled a criminal becuase someone put a "No CCW," sicker in their window that I accidentally did not see! As a practical exercise, I'd like for legislators to obtain a CCW permit and carry their firearm during their daily routine, then they will see how impractical all the CCW restrictions are, especially since only law abiding citizens can obtain a CCW permit. I realize LB430 will help eliminate a lot of these restriction and harmonize laws across the state and I greatly thank you for your efforts in this! I'll plan on voting for you in the next election! Thank you for your time and public service!

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Mr. XXXX:

Thanks for the follow up and please keep in touch. We're working on getting that shooting range bill passed as well this session.

Regards,
Sen. Pirsch

Josh1776 · « **Reply #211 on:** April 30, 2009, 10:33:26 PM »

Here are some emails that I sent to Sen. Brenda Council, and her response:

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Sen. Council:

Thank you for supporting LB430 and I encourage you to voice your support to the remaining Judiciary Committee members to hear the bill and vote it out of committee and onto the floor for debate.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXX
Nebraska Firearms Owners Association Member

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Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:

I don't think you intended to send this e-mail to me since I am adamantly opposed to CCW and, therefore, I have voted against and will continue to vote against LB 430.

Senator Brenda J. Council

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Senator Council:

I know you're very busy and I appreciate you making the time to personally respond to my email. I intended to send you the email encouraging you to support CCW and LB430. I hope you've had a good day and thank you again for your time.

Sincerley,
XXXXXXXX
Nebraska Firearms Owners Association Member

Aldo · « **Reply #212 on:** May 05, 2009, 02:21:23 PM »

Nothing posted yet on the NE Legislature website. Per Sen Christensen's e-mail, it could be this Thursday/Friday. We'll just have to keep checkin' and then let everyone know. I travelled to Omaha this past Sunday, and I did NOT like having to go without my handgun!

OnTheFly · « **Reply #213 on:** May 05, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »

I see the LPD chief, Tom Casady, was present to protest LB430.

How special.

Fly

Dan W · « **Reply #214 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:03:05 AM »

Maybe Tom will run for the Legislature now to get his powers back

FarmerRick · « **Reply #215 on:** May 07, 2009, 08:57:29 AM »

Yikes!! Don't give him any ideas!!

Magnus · « **Reply #216 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:29:34 AM »

I, too, emailed Sen. Brenda Council, along with the rest of the members, for passing LB430 out of the Judiciary Committee. Here's her response:

"Dear Mr. XXXXX:

I did not vote to move this bill out of Committee and I have, and I will continue to vote against LB 430 at every stage of the debate.

Senator Brenda J. Council"

OnTheFly · « **Reply #217 on:** May 07, 2009, 07:29:13 PM »

Has anyone asked her a simple question? "Why?"

Though I can imagine what she would say, it would be interesting to hear. Maybe we can knock down some of her prejudice against the 2A.

I know...I'm dreaming.

Fly

JimP · « **Reply #218 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:31:23 AM »

Quote from: OnTheFly on May 07, 2009, 07:29:13 PM

Has anyone asked her a simple question? "Why?"

Though I can imagine what she would say, it would be interesting to hear. Maybe we can knock down some of her prejudice against the 2A.

I know...I'm dreaming.

Fly

Now that felons can vote again, she is protecting her constituancy!

lefty · « **Reply #219 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:08:45 PM »

LB 430 is on the agenda for final reading, Wednesday, May 13th.