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Offline NE Bull

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Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:43:58 AM »

It might seem that in the United States, being pulled over for driving without a seat belt should not end with the government ordering you to take off your clothes and "lift your genitals." But there is no guarantee that this is the case -- not since the Supreme Court ruled this week that the Constitution does not prohibit the government from strip searching people charged with even minor offenses. The court's 5-4 ruling turns a deeply humiliating procedure -- one most Americans would very much like to avoid -- into a routine law enforcement tactic.
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Read more of this disturbing ruling at : http://news.yahoo.com/strip-searches-supreme-courts-disturbing-decision-101205560.html

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 08:51:02 AM »
Just speaking from experience, I have personally had a preacher, a lawyer and an 86 year old grandmother try to smuggle drugs into a secure location.  While it was not a county jail, it just points out the fact that anybody can and will introduce contraband even after a traffic stop where an arrest is warranted.  You would be surprised (maybe some wouldn't) where people hide stuff, even if only arrested on for simple things.  The safety of our officers and the people we are responsible for should and will take precedence over someone feeling uncomfortable.  The same thing with concealed carry, my safety, my fellow workers safety comes first.

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 12:31:50 PM »
I'm not getting the reference to concealed carry...

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 02:26:06 PM »
Shut up

Pay your taxes

Get used to it

NWO

And don't forget to shut up!

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2012, 09:01:06 AM »
The comment about concealed carry is and was: "Just to make me and my family safe.  I want to protect my family."

 Same with strip searches, except I want to keep my fellow staff and people being locked up safe.  You cannot tell by simple looks who is carrying drugs or weapons, how nice they are, or how bad they are.  There is only one simple way to make sure.

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 10:06:19 AM »
While I do understand the need for secured locations as well as the protection of our LEOs etc, the constitution is pretty explict on the matter; 

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or aff rmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

A strip search on a traffic stop seems unreasonable to me.
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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 01:04:34 PM »
A strip search on a traffic stop is nothing more than the law enforcement scaring and intimidating the citizens! If it happens, there better be a darn good reason for it since I highly doubt that someone is going to pull a gun out of their behind and shoot the cop issuing the ticket. The cops that even think of such a thing should be dismissed and it should be made public that such an animal is on the loose!

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2012, 02:21:08 PM »
Every one calm down.  You don't get stripped searched on a traffic stop.  You only get stripped search once you are arrested and placed into a jail.  The arrest must be for a jailable offense, higher class misdemeaner or any felony.  If there is an arrest warrant out for someone, then they go to jail.  Nothing in the supreme court decision said anything about a traffic stop, once again you have to be arrested for a jailable offense.

Deep breath, calm down.  As far as stating the constitution, I think the U.S. Supreme Court has the final say on the constitutionallity of a law or process. 

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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2012, 02:41:42 PM »
Every one calm down.  You don't get stripped searched on a traffic stop.  You only get stripped search once you are arrested and placed into a jail.  The arrest must be for a jailable offense, higher class misdemeaner or any felony.  If there is an arrest warrant out for someone, then they go to jail.  Nothing in the supreme court decision said anything about a traffic stop, once again you have to be arrested for a jailable offense.

Deep breath, calm down.  As far as stating the constitution, I think the U.S. Supreme Court has the final say on the constitutionallity of a law or process. 
I don't believe anyone is too out of sorts yet...but did you read the entire article? As for SCOTUS...activist judges have whittled down my respect for that particular courts rulings on MANY occasions.
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Re: Forget terrorism, strip searches for failure to signal?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »
Every one calm down.  You don't get stripped searched on a traffic stop.  You only get stripped search once you are arrested and placed into a jail.  The arrest must be for a jailable offense, higher class misdemeaner or any felony.  If there is an arrest warrant out for someone, then they go to jail.  Nothing in the supreme court decision said anything about a traffic stop, once again you have to be arrested for a jailable offense.

Deep breath, calm down.  As far as stating the constitution, I think the U.S. Supreme Court has the final say on the constitutionallity of a law or process. 

If you had read the whole article you would have seen that it is not necessary to do a strip search. They had plenty of other technologies at their disposal to see if he/she is carrying a weapon or not. This ruling is another blow to American freedom and its a shame that it came from the conservative majority. This is another one of their oddball rulings I do not agree with. And yes, it seems that they have now legalized strip searches for minor traffic violations.