RE: Competion, is the DA/SA dead? Share your opinion.

[camus]

It seems that most people I see at matches (note: local) are using striker type or a derivative of such actions, or SA.

I have seen a few Beretta's and a few CZ's (which I am very curious about).

Thoughts?

[unfy]

The issue with DA/SA is the transition from heavy trigger to light trigger.

It's easier to deal with only a single trigger pull weight.

In a competition setting, this makes sense

[NENick]

I run a beretta 92fs at the USPSA matches. I believe it really comes down to how you train. During my first few matches, I kept clicking on the slide mounted decocker/safety. It didn't take long to stop doing it.

Practice, practice, practice.

[JTH]

In USPSA competition, lots of people use DA/SA CZs.  Ben Stoeger won Nats two times with a Beretta (though we make fun of him for it).  And of course Eric Grauffel shoots a Tanfoglio.

It IS certainly true that locally, you see a lot of Glocks/XDs/M&Ps---because they do just fine, and are MUCH cheaper. 

A Matt Mink-smithed CZ can have a smooth 5-pound DA pull, and a 2-pound SA pull, which means its DA isn't any worse than a Glock, and its SA is just like a good 1911--but it costs. 

[camus]

In USPSA competition, lots of people use DA/SA CZs.  Ben Stoeger won Nats two times with a Beretta (though we make fun of him for it).  And of course Eric Grauffel shoots a Tanfoglio.

It IS certainly true that locally, you see a lot of Glocks/XDs/M&Ps---because they do just fine, and are MUCH cheaper. 

A Matt Mink-smithed CZ can have a smooth 5-pound DA pull, and a 2-pound SA pull, which means its DA isn't any worse than a Glock, and its SA is just like a good 1911--but it costs. 

Do you see more DA/SA at matches beyond local?

I have seen a couple of CZ's, both gentlemen that had them shot them very well, one had come down from SD.

I have seen two HK's and only once saw another person with a Sig.

I think think the price point discussion has merit, but as I shoot more striker type handguns I can see another case being made.

[kozball]

In my very limited participation in the USPSA matches, I have been using a bone stock Sig P226 in 40SW. From the loaded / decocked start, the first DA trigger is pretty stiff. I understand that it is about 10 lbs. The SA trigger is about 4 lbs.

This firearm is much better than I will ever be as a competitor, so I will use it because it is what I own. I have no grandeur that I will ever win any match, but I can improve my skills with my firearm. Afterall, that it the real reason that people compete.

[bkoenig]

I bought a CZ with the intent of using it to replace my M&P in 3 gun last year, but I didn't make it to any matches.  I hope to change that this year so I'll let you know

I don't notice a big disadvantage with DA on the first shot, but since I haven't used it under pressure I can't say for sure. I do notice I'm much more accurate with this particular gun, and accuracy = speed, even if speed =/= accuracy.

I have a very light DA trigger due to replacing the factory springs with a set from the CZ custom shop, but that mod also required me to add a longer firing pin and lighter firing pin return spring to ensure it would still ignite primers.  I really want to send the hammer off to Cajun Gun Works to get worked over, but I haven't gotten around to it.

If I had a ton of money I'd be running a CZ SP01 Phantom.  From what I understand that's the hot ticket in USPSA.

EDIT:   I have a Phantom.  I meant Shadow. 

[JTH]

Do you see more DA/SA at matches beyond local?

I have seen a couple of CZ's, both gentlemen that had them shot them very well, one had come down from SD.

I have seen two HK's and only once saw another person with a Sig.

I think think the price point discussion has merit, but as I shoot more striker type handguns I can see another case being made.

Most people don't shoot Sigs or HKs at higher levels in USPSA.  (Not unless they are sponsored by those companies.) 

CZs in particular, though---yes.  Many, many people shoot CZs at higher levels.

In 2011, 7 of the top 16 at Production Nationals shot a DA/SA gun, with 6 of those being a CZ.  (And one Beretta.)  In 2012, 9 of the top 16 shot a DA/SA gun, 6 of which were CZs, one Beretta, and 2 Tanfoglios. 

In 2012, the rest were:  one Glock, one XDM 5.25, 3 M&Ps, one Caracal, and one HK P30L.

In the past several years there has been a larger number of people switching over to custom CZs at higher levels.  Striker-fired guns still have a huge following, but people are seeing GMs win with DA/SA guns, and the trend gets followed. 

Now, as to whether or not that has anything to do with the GUN is a different question. 

[camus]

This firearm is much better than I will ever be as a competitor, so I will use it because it is what I own.

Well said, I feel the same.

In 2011, 7 of the top 16 at Production Nationals shot a DA/SA gun, with 6 of those being a CZ.  (And one Beretta.)  In 2012, 9 of the top 16 shot a DA/SA gun, 6 of which were CZs, one Beretta, and 2 Tanfoglios. 

Well I think we just ended this thread. I looked for that kind of info, for USPSA as well Bianchi or whatever, it was slow in the finding. My google fu may have been a bit weak.

In the past several years there has been a larger number of people switching over to custom CZs at higher levels.  Striker-fired guns still have a huge following, but people are seeing GMs win with DA/SA guns, and the trend gets followed. 

Now, as to whether or not that has anything to do with the GUN is a different question. 

I imagine gents at that level go for any edge they can get, whether actual or psychological. Anyway that all is far beyond me.

[bkoenig]

Now, as to whether or not that has anything to do with the GUN is a different question. 

I think it's just 'cause CZ's are so perty:

[camus]

Ugh on the pretty guns,  while I can understand collectors et al, you might as well put a dress on  your hammer or nail gun.