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Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« on: April 08, 2013, 06:45:42 PM »
http://politi.co/ZiQ2Gj

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he would join a group of Senate Republicans threatening a filibuster to oppose a cloture vote if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid moves a gun bill to the floor this week.

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“While nobody knows yet what Senator Reid’s plan is for the gun bill, if he chooses to file cloture on the motion to proceed to the Reid Bill (S. 649), Senator McConnell will oppose cloture on proceeding to that bill,” McConnell spokesman John Ashbrook said in a statement.
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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 07:04:03 PM »
Wonder if Reid will just change the rules again "ala Obamacare"?  Also wondered if Obama could through executive order tell the FBI to halt all gun purchase background checks until new legislation is passed, effectively putting all sales in limbo? 

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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 11:09:52 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...se-lashes-out/

As support for gun bill filibuster grows, Obama says backers trying to use 'political stunts'
Published April 08, 2013
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Pivotal week ahead on Capitol Hill

Immigration, gun control top congressional agenda

What’s the holdup on gun control?
The White House lashed out Monday at Republican lawmakers threatening to filibuster gun control legislation in the Senate, accusing them of trying to pull “political stunts” and "hide" behind procedural maneuvers -- as support for the filibuster continued to grow.
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, announced early Monday that 13 senators had signed a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid threatening to oppose "any legislation that would infringe on the American people's constitutional right to bear arms."
Lee, along with Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, have led efforts to hold up the legislation. The lawmakers would do so by trying to require a 60-vote threshold, which could kill the legislation.
They were joined later in the day by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, bringing the total to 14.
Reid, meanwhile, took the first steps to bring the gun control package to the floor for Senate debate, while saying he was "deeply troubled" by the Republicans' warning.
The Senate returned Monday from a two-week spring recess, and negotiators are hard at work trying to refine and prep a bill for consideration. While Lee, Paul, Cruz and others dug in on their objections, other moderates and conservatives have indicated a willingness to consider the package.
President Obama criticized the proposed filibuster during a campaign-style event at the University of Hartford in Connecticut about 45 miles from the elementary school where 20 first-graders were shot and killed in December.
“Some back in Washington are already floating the idea that they might use political stunts,” said Obama, who was introduced by Nicole Hockley, whose son, Dylan, was one of the victims. “They’re not just saying they’ll vote ‘no’ on ideas that almost all Americans support. They’re saying they won’t allow any votes on them at all.”
Many in the crowd responded by chanting: "We want a vote."
The president also said some family members who lost children in the Dec. 14 school shooting are referring to the massacre as 12/14, just like the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks are called 9/11.
“For these families, it was a day that changed everything,” Obama said. “And I know many of you in Newtown wondered if the rest of us would live up to the promises … once the television trucks left, once the candles flickered out, once the teddy bears were gathered up – your country would move on to other things. Newtown, we want you to know that we’re here with you.”
Earlier in the day, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney accused the Senate hold-outs of trying to "hide" behind the filibuster.
At the daily press briefing, he also invoked the families of the Newtown shooting victims to pressure the senators into allowing an up-or-down vote.
"Imagine what they would say to the families of the victims of Newtown about why a certain measure never came to a vote, because they filibustered," Carney said.
Eleven family members of the Sandy Hook Elementary School victims are scheduled to fly back to Washington with Obama on Air Force One. They plan to lobby lawmakers Tuesday in support of gun control.
Amid the campaign for public support, two key senators are said to be working behind the scenes on the tricky issue of background checks.
Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey and West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin are reportedly in talks for a proposal to expand the checks to gun shows and Internet sales -- but, importantly, exempt some sales between hunters or close relatives.
It's unclear whether such a proposal would be embraced by pro-gun rights conservatives and the National Rifle Association, which so far has opposed the kind of comprehensive firearms legislation pushed by Obama and his allies in Congress.
But the issue of family members and others being subjected to an expanded background check system for sales between them has become an obstacle.
The most controversial element of a gun control package -- a renewed ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines -- has been dropped from the main bill, though it will still likely get a vote as an amendment.
But the push to expand background checks remains and has emerged as a sticking point, though White House aides and congressional Democrats point to polling that shows public support for universal background checks strong.
Opponents to the expanded checks worry that the new system could be cumbersome for family members and others involved in casual transfers.
Carney declined to comment in any depth on the Toomey-Manchin talks at Monday's briefing.


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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 06:32:08 AM »
10:1 odds Johanna and Fisher don't jump in there and filibuster.....

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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 08:19:54 AM »
I got an email from the NRA ILA, yesterday:

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However, there is a proposal worthy of gun owners' support. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Mark Begich (D-AK) have introduced S. 480, the "NICS Reporting Improvement Act of 2013", which will provide accurate definitions of persons who pose serious threats to themselves or others and therefore should be prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, while protecting the rights of those who should not be included in NICS. Further, this legislation will protect the rights of America's veterans, by no longer allowing their Second Amendment freedoms to be denied based on an administrative finding that a person requires appointment of a representative to mange his financial affairs.

The NRA fully supports Senators Graham and Begich's important legislation.
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Does anyone know more about S. 480?

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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2013, 08:56:38 AM »
I got an email from the NRA ILA, yesterday:

Does anyone know more about S. 480?

I am part of a National Firearms Rights Leaders discusion group and we have been hotly debating this bill, I am going to share two of the posts that show the dificulties with this issue:

A) I have independently investigated this issue, and have consulted with two gun rights attorneys. This is not a sellout, but a protection.


Right now, there is no definition in U.S. Code of "... adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution...," as used in 18 USC 922(d)(4).


That means that the definition can be changed by mere rulemaking, as in "President Obama's Executive Order."


Here is what is currently in the CFR, and subject to change by the Obama Administration:




27 C.F.R. § 478.11
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Adjudicated as a mental defective. (a) A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease:


(1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or


(2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.


(b) The term shall include—


(1) A finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and


(2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility pursuant to articles 50a and 72b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. 850a , 876b .




Committed to a mental institution
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A formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority. The term includes a commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term includes commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. It also includes commitments for other reasons, such as for drug use. The term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission to a mental institution.
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S. 480 makes it HARDER for the ATF to deny gun ownership, and it locks in that tougher definition against unilateral change by the Obama administration.


We should be strongly supporting, not opposing, this legislation.


B) Here is my position on S.480:

Now is not the time to be bringing it forward. It just muddies the waters and sets the stage for some sort of "deal" that I don't think any of us want.

We have been supportive of similar language in the past, specifically Richard Burr's Veteran's Protection Act.

Current law (as adopted the last time NRA "fixed" NICS) has been interpreted to be completely open ended, and has snagged over 100,000 veterans - many just trying to get a little extra in their disability check (in my opinion).
Fixing that would be a good thing. The concern about the even for "drug rehab" line raises some concern, but it looks to me like it is more than adequately covered by the strong language above stipulating courts, hearings, and representation.

All of that said, I think the pro's and con's of S.480 is a discussion for another day.

It is STUPID to bring forward something that "we want" when we're in the middle of a big pile of "we won't tolerate." The natural course of things would be to move directly to a lot of "I'll vote for yours if you'll vote for mine" BS. We get screwed, Schumer uses some trick to castrate S.480, and everyone claims to be "strong supporters of the Second Amendment.
This is just a side door to getting screwed.

We need to demand that Graham and NRA get this the Hell off the table immediately, and tell Graham that if he doesn't support the filibuster he could be facing early retirement - and the NRA can't save him because our members are the people the NRA depends on to make things happen on the ground in the states.

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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 09:03:28 AM »
Last post got long so I am starting a new one.  As you can see S. 480 is not a bad bill, and in fact would help to protect your rights.  Unfortunately if it comes to the floor of the Senate it will be amended, and in the end all the good will be removed, watered down, and put off because it will not be funded; and a lot of anti gun stuff will be put in all in the name of compromise.

This is a very tough climate right now, and pushing for legislation to protect your rights is only going to be taken over by the anti's.  What position should you take, well at this time I am very guarded about supporting any firearms bill that comes out.
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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 06:08:01 PM »
Agree timing is wrong.  The drug use portion seems open to exploitation.  What drugs?  Taken for what purposes?  Listen to the lists of possible side effects for drugs in TV ads, how many list "possible depression, or mood changes"?  Could taking something for Restless Leg Syndrome end up being used as a disqualifier for gun ownership? Who makes that call?

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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 06:53:30 PM »
how many list "possible depression, or mood changes"?

Isn't that listed as a possible side effect in all drugs issued today?

And several over the counter medications as well. 
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Re: Mitch McConnell joins Senate gun filibuster
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 09:46:43 PM »
Could taking something for Restless Leg Syndrome end up being used as a disqualifier for gun ownership? Who makes that call?

Indeed.

Do note, I take 0.5mg of ropinirole for RLS currently hehe.

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